An honest evaluation can be something that encourages a player to look elsewhere, am I wrong? I believe they can be one in the same.
Weatherford transferring
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An honest evaluation can be something that encourages a player to look elsewhere, am I wrong? I believe they can be one in the same.
Probably a very good kid, but this doesn't hurt us. We need someone, anyone, who can generate offense on his own. GW wasn't that type of player. I wish him well going forward.
What we know is that Painter gave Weatherford a chance to prove that he was scholarship worthy, presumably for the reasons that Painter stated when Weatherford signed, but for whatever reason it didn't work out. Unless you think that Painter lied about the reasons why he offered Weatherford when he did, I can't think of any reason why he should apologize. If it was a recruiting mistake, mistakes happen and being honest about it before eligibility is lost is a good thing.
Why apologize? The nature of the game is competition. Any player can be displaced in a lineup at any time by recruiting. If you don't want that to happen be the big fish in a small pond.
Yes the honest evaluation may cause the player to look elsewhere but that does not make it something for which to appologize.
Hopefully Matt can turn this into a gain in the long run. When I first heard the news I was certainly surprised and then reasonably happy. Weatherford seemed like a poor man's B. Scott but played better defense. Never saw him getting much time over the next 2 years b/c of PJ and Carson. I hope Matt can use the new scholarship in an effective way for getting us an upgrade at PG or a back-up center or heck even slashing combo guard/wing. Talent is talent. Just don't need a 4 right now really and 5 is ok but 1-3 players would definitely be welcome.
On an aside, I still really wish he could have landed Herard. He would have been perfect to come in and learn from Haas and keep our talented center family going.
On an aside, I still really wish he could have landed Herard. He would have been perfect to come in and learn from Haas and keep our talented center family going.
Yep, Painter offers lots of kids that he thinks won't play much at Purdue. He should apologize to kids for offering full scholarships.
Maybe, just maybe, Grant realized he wants to play sooner rather than later and he was going to struggle to do that on this team. Just spitballin'.
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Painter has said if he ever saw a kid that could be another Chris Kramer type he would offer him. He did.
The amount of knowledge you have about his recruitment is amazing. I doubt you even knew who the kid was when he was offered.
Would you prefer a dishonest evaluation? I don't get your point. This is all standard procedure at the end of a season. Everyone does it. I am sure there was never a threat of pulling his scholarship. If he wanted to stay, he could have. Would you rather a coach not tell a player that he is good enough to get more playing time somewhere else, but based on the expected situation here, he may not get as much time?
Most coaches I know will go far out of their way to call other coaches and to help the player find a great fit.
They CAN be the same thing, but certainly are not one in the same. For all we know Painter said something like "Grant, I am pleased with the hard work you have put in during your RS year. Based on next year's roster I see you playing about 5 minutes a game, being an important defensive stopper, and continuing to make your teammates better. As you continue your development path you may have an opportunity for a larger role on this team in the future." If Grant took that sort of message and decided to take his talents elsewhere explain to me the need for an apology. And is Taylor also owed an apology?
I disagree, from what I witnessed in the tourney is Purdue needs a guard who can create his own shot and take it to the rim and finish. If C'S returns to be paired with IH,JT and Vince there will be plenty of people to crash the boards.
The term "Creaned" applies to upper class players who think they will have a scholarship the next year, but instead, the coach (Crean) gives the scholarship to a new freshman. Crean overcommits and then screws the upper-class players. Tell me, who is Grant's scholarship going to? What new freshman is getting this scholarship? What is his name? Has Painter over committed this year?
Do you suppose that Painter had a one-on-one talk with the kid and gave him a realistic view of his chances of contributing to next year's team? Do you suppose Grant saw during practices, how far away from competing he was? Yeh, that is not quite the idea behind "Creaning". In fact find your confusion about the term insulting to most Purdue fans. Maybe you should refine your understanding of the language.
Not the kid's fault for accepting the schollie offer that shouldn't have been offered in the first place.
Oh, I'm with you 10000%. I'm still over-the-top emotional about a loss almost 2 weeks ago. I hate MP so much for not taking ME to a FF that I want him to get down on his knees and apologize to you, me, every other fan, and to every player he ever offered a scholarship. And then I want him fired anyway. After he's gone, I want to incite a mob to burn down his house so there will be no memory of him in Tippecanoe County. All of these obsessive desires won't change anything about the state of the Purdue program, but it helps my fragile emotional state by lashing out with irrational crap on a message board.
The fact is, no one was more upset about the loss than was I. No one. I don't know if MP can make Purdue a consistent national power or not. And I get the disappointment and anger. But in March, 2016, it doesn't matter because he is Purdue's coach now, next year, and probably the next. If people can accept that fact, then consider this: If you have ever seen a child throw an unchecked temper tantrum in public, you know that it does not reflect well on the family. That's what some Purdue fans are doing now -- throwing themselves around and making all kinds of hysterical statements against players, coaches, and administrators. Because "IT JUST ISN'T FAIR! I DESERVE A FINAL FOUR!" I don't care much for Doyle's writing at the iustar, but he was correct when he said that this behavior is destructive to the program. Any recruit or recruit's parent reading this board has to wonder what the he!! is going on with this fanbase. Why should they consider Purdue if the head coach isn't going to be here?
Some of the fans don't care. They would rather see the program fail so that changes will be made sooner. They have said so. They are too self-centered and can not accept the reality of the situation.
So, in answer to your question, the program had a good season and an inexcusably bad tournament. News flash! Everyone knows that. And the important people in the program are committed to fixing it. Now as for my opinion of the state of the fan base, there are too many narcissistic people who think that everything should be done to satisfy their emotional needs, while they contribute absolutely nothing except emotional outbursts on a public message board that embarrass their university.
I don't think you do understand. He wasted a scholarship? How, exactly was it wasted? It hurt the kid? Are you deciding he was hurt? In what way? He has a year of coursework at a top university that will transfer anywhere, and it was paid for. He spent the year playing with pro-level talent that will help him if he decides to play elsewhere. To say that it hurt the kid is more emotional garbage being thrown at the wall hoping something sticks.
Perfect. I especially appreciated the part about recruits and their families reading this board. Do folks think that doesn't happen? Do they not care that it does?
IMO, you're putting too much stock into the importance of our posts if you think it will change the opinions of players or recruits. This is a message board, which is an outlet for our opinions and how we feel. On here, it's specifically the basketball program. I don't think all of the people that are accepting poor results and have the mindset along the lines of "wait 'til next year" help either, but I'm not worried about that affecting the recruiting itself. There's a division of those who post on here, in terms of their outlook on the state of the program. I think we can agree to disagree on things without the "everything will be alright" crowd almost always turning to sarcasm and cynicism to make their opinions known on the subject. So, that's the state of Free Message Board fans on here right now and I think it's going to be difficult to get a majority agreement on this coaching staff's abilities for the rest of their tenure.
If I only had 4 more years to play basketball at that level and lost one red shirting, I'd be disappointed or hurt. You only get 5 years to play 4. He now has to sit another year, whic means he will only have 3 left and will now have sat for 2 years in a row. We also could have picked up another 5th year senior, which means a scholarship was wasted for a year. Not sure what you don't understand.
It's his choice to transfer. He's not being forced out. He's not upset about it. The only reason for you to be is because you're wanting to continue to whine about Painter.
As I said, you don't understand. You are clearly speaking for him. Read his own words. Let him speak for himself, rather than just making up a scenario about how you think YOUR feelings would be hurt in your imaginary membership on the Purdue team.
You don't think he gained anything from this year? Really? Do you think your, oops, his pro career was ruined?
And who is this 5th year senior difference-maker who we lost because we "wasted" the scholarship on Weatherford? Provide a name, please. Would this unnamed player have given you your National Championship? Just looking for a thread of logic in your contentions here.
I'd love that flyer offer to be Desmond Bane. He has the size of a B1G player at 6'5 and 225 and seems to have good shooting ability and getting in to the lane. With this open scholarship, I'd have an in home visit with Bane scheduled tonight if it were me.
when Bane was discussed here a couple of weeks ago, I said if someone leaves ( maybe KS) then put the offer out to Bane , so in this instance I agree. I do believe that Herard was a big miss, also wouldn't mind getting Spike or Clark from MSU.
