Vincent Edwards vs. Denzel Valentine

[reswat]

Interesting to compare the career stats of Vince versus Denzel

Denzel:
Pts. 3-Pt% Assists Rebounds
5 28% 2.4 4.1
8 38% 3.8 6.0
14.5 42% 4.3 6.3
19.2 46% 7.5 7.5

Vince
Pts. 3-Pt% Assists Rebounds
8.8 33% 2.7 4.8
11.3 41% 2.9 5.4
12.6 42% 3.2 4.9

Vince's Junior year trails Denzel's by a little, but Vince was also playing with Biggie last year, who was taking lots of shots and grabbing lots of rebounds.

The way Vince is playing in the University Games is impressive. Also, his size and quickness is similar to Denzel Valentine. If you consider his recent play, and his progression as shown above, I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest that he might have a season that puts him in the discussion for National Player of the Year.

Obviously, it's still very early, but this thought did occur to me.

 

[TC4THREE]

Never really thought much of Valentine until his last season. He was a fine enough player. Put up stats and all. I just didn't think he was great until that last year. You could probably say similar things about Vince. As a Purdue fan, I know that he has played well in the NCAA tournament and some of our biggest games but people from the outside looking in probably see him as a good player, but has never been "the" player at Purdue. Like Valentine did in my eyes, he can change that perception this year.

 

[Dryfly88]

Interesting to compare the career stats of Vince versus Denzel

Denzel:
Pts. 3-Pt% Assists Rebounds
5 28% 2.4 4.1
8 38% 3.8 6.0
14.5 42% 4.3 6.3
19.2 46% 7.5 7.5

Vince
Pts. 3-Pt% Assists Rebounds
8.8 33% 2.7 4.8
11.3 41% 2.9 5.4
12.6 42% 3.2 4.9

Vince's Junior year trails Denzel's by a little, but Vince was also playing with Biggie last year, who was taking lots of shots and grabbing lots of rebounds.

The way Vince is playing in the University Games is impressive. Also, his size and quickness is similar to Denzel Valentine. If you consider his recent play, and his progression as shown above, I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest that he might have a season that puts him in the discussion for National Player of the Year.

Obviously, it's still very early, but this thought did occur to me.

If VE has that same stat line this year, he could very well be in line for POTY. Huge jump in points and assists. I don't think he will, but will be very glad to be wrong.

 

[cprh9u]

That would be a huge jump but VE is definitely talented enough to do it. Sure hope he put's it together and has that kind of year. That could mean something special for Purdue in 17-18.

 

[Wolegib]

that would be a HUGE jump. Sure, his scoring could jump. it's one thing to compare the two, but to average 7.5 assists ? that would mean the offense is going through him, which will clearly not be the case

Denzel's stats jumped, so it's possible. But when was the last time a Purdue player came close to averaging 19/7/7 ?

Scoring 19 points in our team oriented philosophy is tough, but 7.5 assists? and 7.5 rebounds? I could see maybe two of those, but all three?

I just don't see it, not with Dakota and Carsen shooting, and PJ as the man distributing the ball.

Who was the last player at Purdue to average 15+ points and 7 assists? Billy Keller?

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

that would be a HUGE jump. Sure, his scoring could jump. it's one thing to compare the two, but to average 7.5 assists ? that would mean the offense is going through him, which will clearly not be the case

Denzel's stats jumped, so it's possible. But when was the last time a Purdue player came close to averaging 19/7/7 ?

Scoring 19 points in our team oriented philosophy is tough, but 7.5 assists? and 7.5 rebounds? I could see maybe two of those, but all three?

I just don't see it, not with Dakota and Carsen shooting, and PJ as the man distributing the ball.

Who was the last player at Purdue to average 15+ points and 7 assists? Billy Keller?

Not quite to the measurement, but close (with rounding) is Jerry Sichting as a Junior, 77-78:

15.1/6.8

 

[Wolegib]

Not quite to the measurement, but close (with rounding) is Jerry Sichting as a Junior, 77-78:

15.1/6.8

that was a great season, but still far short of 19 PPg, and I doubt Jerry came close to 4 rebounds a game. Denzel had a great season. We talk about Swanigan, but 19 ppg , 7.5 assists, and 7.5 rebounds is phenomenal for college basketball. Magic Johnson? maybe? Larry Bird? Pistol Pete?

 

[dumpsterFyre]

Denzel's final season was spectacular. Vince was higher regarded out of high school, so he definitely has the potential. Whether he has the aggression and mentality is the question. Last three seasons he was able to defer to Hammons and Biggie. This season is for all the marbles.

Perry Ellis of KU (made Elite 8) comes to mind--he wasn't drafted as a Senior in 2016 with a 17/6/1 stat line.

 

[tjreese]

I really like Vince's game, but Denzil was quicker. I think Nojel if he can become a really good perimeter shooter could do all Denzil did. It does appear that Vince is more aggressive this year and wants this to be his team

 

[Wolegib]

I ca n see a double double, but coming close to a triple double in college is awe inspiring.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

I really like Vince's game, but Denzil was quicker. I think Nojel if he can become a really good perimeter shooter could do all Denzil did. It does appear that Vince is more aggressive this year and wants this to be his team

It appears that Coach Painter is encouraging both Edwards to be aggressive and make plays. (I really love what I've seen this tournament from the Purdue offense.) While I don't expect Vince to match Valentine's senior numbers, I expect a big year from him with first team Big Ten being very likely.

 

[tjreese]

It appears that Coach Painter is encouraging both Edwards to be aggressive and make plays. (I really love what I've seen this tournament from the Purdue offense.) While I don't expect Vince to match Valentine's senior numbers, I expect a big year from him with first team Big Ten being very likely.

Historically international teams have trouble with pressure although they are obviously getting better. It will be interesting to see how the team plays in the BIG. I expect them to push it every advantage, but I wonder if we won't see a little more offense than we are now in the half court? If the team gets more deliberate do posters say how well we played in the WUG? I'll be watching how this unfolds

 

[klmLB]

Denzel was playing the point full time as a senior. Entire offense was initiated by him. He was great at it too - thus the high assist numbers.

I think Vince will average something similar (with the exception of assist being in the 3-4 range).

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I really like Vince's game, but Denzil was quicker. I think Nojel if he can become a really good perimeter shooter could do all Denzil did. It does appear that Vince is more aggressive this year and wants this to be his team

I don't think he was quicker athletically...i think Denzel was quicker in his thought and decision making. You can still see Vince's mind working through a move, especially off the wing when trying to take a defender off the dribble. I didn't see the slow head fake/shot fake as much in the WUG, so hopefully he has rid himself of that and instead uses his dribble more. Once he can simply play more instinctual and not so robotic, you'll see that flash a bit more....when you have seen it really apparent is when he has had the chance to be out on the fast break. It is almost a reversal of the issues with Carsen. If Boogie simply slowed his mind down slightly and allowed his mind to catch up with his athletic ability, he'll simply be a force that'll be hard to stop in college.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

that was a great season, but still far short of 19 PPg, and I doubt Jerry came close to 4 rebounds a game. Denzel had a great season. We talk about Swanigan, but 19 ppg , 7.5 assists, and 7.5 rebounds is phenomenal for college basketball. Magic Johnson? maybe? Larry Bird? Pistol Pete?

Pete Maravich is probably one of the best pure scorers and shooters of all time...IMO better than Rick Mount. His college stats are simply unreal:

44.2 ppg 6.4 ast 5.1 rbs 77.5%fts

Also if he had a three point line, there is a good chance his career average is 50ppg or higher. His scoring average will never be touched in the college game.

Big Dog averaged 30.1 and that's simply insane...so to see someone averaging 14 more points per game would be incredible. Lebron or Keven Garnett probably would have been close had he been forced to play a season in college.

 

[Wolegib]

I originally thought of Pete. I knew he could score, and he was good at assists, but I didn't think his rebounding was great.

having a player get 7-10 assists a game in college is very hard. and if you find one, their scoring usually takes a sacrifice, and they are usually running the offense, so their rebounding is usually non-existent.

To find a player with both rebounding and assists over 7 per game and also average 19 ppg is phenomenal. it's as if after every shot, he would run on and crash the boards, or purposely miss a lay-up just to get his own rebound. And I know that didn't happen.