No it doesn't, but my $$$'s along with thousands of others a$$'s in seats do. Time to eliminate excuses and get results. Can you hear me now?
Ugh, MN seems to be riding the wave.
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Ah. Okay. Well, that all goes without saying. It's interesting to note, Purdue fans were incredibly supportive, even after the '19 season started going south.
Thank goodness, I think most fans are rational, and understand what we have, what happened, and why... and don't equate it to "excuses".
Again, FWIW, I think an abundance of fans who put their a$$es in seats, and spend $$$ (or more) don't have your demands. For exampe, If we go 10-2 and lose the Bucket game, I don't think what you claim will happen will actually happen. But, I could be wrong.
Regardless, all thus blustering and throwing out demands will likely be for naught. I suspect we'll have plenty to be proud of next year.
Cheers, MBF, and happy new year!
Cheers to you to Purdue85 for a happy and healthy 2020.
I am supportive, have been in the seats, and donated in 2019 to our University. I believe Purdue Football will have a good bounceback as well in 2020. We are not that far apart in our hopes for our Purdue Football team that provides us entertainment throughout most of the year.
I like Minnesota coach because with even great success it seems like he would still prefer to stay there Even stated he would like to turn them into a powerhouse.
At what point do you turn 85? Are you going to be happy with six next year? The year after that? Just curious.
He could but they lose 7 or 8 starters from their defense, so I expect at least a slight drop in their record next year. I don't see him getting an elite level job(OSU, Michigan, Bama, Clemson, et al) but more of the next level(and I would include programs like USC, Auburn, Texas, etc in that group right now). Using Auburn as an example, if they drop off some next year(7-9 wins) their coach may one that could be replaced. Whomever would replace him would inherit a roster with high level talent, a winning tradition and high level recruiting prospects.
I agree with that. I would have USC, Texas, Tennessee, Florida St., Florida, Miami etc in that tier.
Fleck is not going anywhere. He and his wife love living in the Twin Cities and Minnesota is one of the few power 5 jobs that doesn’t force a coach to live in some small college town. He talks constantly about building Minnesota into a championship program. He loves our AD as well and he just signed an extension.
What Fleck at Minny does is strengthen the league, and put pressure on all of the other schools to improve. I want to see the BIG from top to bottom (okay, maybe not IU or Iowa) have tremendous success, and Fleck makes that happen with his part.
We'll see how good he is next year with the loss of these Seniors, but I'm guessing he came in with a plan in place to recruit what he needed to replace them.
You could be right. Only time will tell.
Still, bosses change, circumstances change, relationships change. It remains to be seen how trustworthy Fleck is.
Huh? When Fleck first got here he had four offensive linemen for the first spring. All of the two deeps return next season. We had two juniors. Everyone else was freshmen or sophomores in the two deeps.
Ok, though Michigan has been arguably more successful as of late(especially as opposed to Texas). Wasn't main point of the post - don't see any of the 1st programs I listed likely to consider fleck.
Huh? Of the 10 offensive linemen in the 2017(fleck's 1st year) Minnesota two deeps against Purdue, NINE of them were in at least their 2nd year in the program. Three of them(Greene, Weyler and Wright) were returning starters from the 2016 season. The only first year guy in the 2 deeps was Blaise Andries, who had committed to the prior Minnesota staff(9 months before fleck took the job).
Would disagree on the recent success. USC and UT have both won natties since Michigan has.
As I said - doesn't matter how you'd rate/classify them as it isn't the main point of my original post. This being that(IMO) fleck won't be considered by a current elite program(Clemson, OSU, Bama and whomever else you want) for the HC position, and that if/when he leaves Minnesota it will be for a job that has some recent success, a solid current depth chart and a good recruiting history. Similar to what he came into at Minnesota. He won't leave to go rebuild a program unless someone throws crazy money and a long term contract at him. Even then I doubt he'd want to do that.
Last 10 years Michigan and USC have similar records(four 10+ win seasons, one losing season) though USC looks to be sliding. Texas has just one 10 win season in the last 10 while having 4 losing seasons.
Think fleck exploited an inefficiency... running a highly mobil offense but with two huge power players at RG and RT.
But you should subscribe to the premium board .. so you can learn that the real reason Minnesota beat auburn and their athletes is .. senior leadership lol.
We’ll have to agree to disagree. You consider Michigan to be a better job than USC or Texas. I do not.
When the claim was made that he’d go to a team with recent success- what makes you think that 15 years ago was part of that? I do not think a coach is deciding where to go based on 15 years ago. More like last 5 years
He implied Michigan was a better job. I disagree for multiple reasons, just one of which is more recent National success.
Ok I just do not get why 15 years is the line for that. Michigan has definitely been the best program during the tenures of the current coaches of those teams.
Well duh. They hired Harbaugh instead of Clay Helton.
Don’t like 15 years? Go back 60 or 70. From 1950 to present, Michigan has won ONE (shared) national title, whereas USC and Texas have combined for 11.
And USC and Texas have much better recruiting territories to boot.
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I simply do not think that most people would argue that USC and Texas have had more recent success by going back 15 years. Would you argue that IU has had more recent success than Purdue in basketball?
I simply do not think that most people would argue that USC and Texas have had more recent success by going back 15 years. Would you argue that IU has had more recent success than Purdue in basketball?
Apples and oranges. Plus Michigan isn't 1-14 against their rival in the last 15 years?
I said that Michigan was a better job "right now". If you want to say that they aren't I don't really care as it isn't the main issue in the point I am making. Again, that being fleck isn't likely to be hired by an OSU, Bama, Clemson, or(I believe) Michigan. Places like Texas, USC, Auburn, etc who MAY be looking for a new coach in the next 1 - 3 years seem more likely and provide what I believe he'd be looking at - recent success, good returning depth and solid recruiting histories and bases. He won't want to go try to rebuild a program (just as he has NOT had to do at Minnesota).
I get your point, but four offensive linemen for spring ball doesn't scream depth. It was/ is defense where Fleck benefited the most.
Yeah, he benefited greatly from depth on defense too. Are you claiming that only 4 of the multi year o-line returnees(out of the 9 who were in the 2 deeps) were there for spring ball? That doesn't even count any others who were already on the roster yet didn't end up in the 2 deeps by the way. Even IF true, he still inherited a lot of depth that played on that 2017 team.
You think Michigan’s a better job than Texas or USC. I don’t. Like I said, agree to disagree.
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