Tyger Campbell Update

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

On a related note, doesn't a school have a limited amount of official visits they can give out? Otherwise schools like Hawaii would go broke paying for official visits!

Found this on a website that gives advice to high school athletes about official and unofficial visits:

"Because the schools are limited in how many visits they can provide, any official visit in those sports tends to indicate the coaches are very interested in the prospect. In other sports, it is the budget, not NCAA rules, that limit official visits."

From what I read, a school may limit official visits because they simply don't have the budget to do a lot. I am guessing the major football and basketball programs probably give out a fair number of official visits every single year because their budget simply allows for it...while smaller programs may just not have the resources. A school that may be successful in basketball only (like Marquette) may have to really stretch their official visits out to those they are truly interested in whereas Kentucky or IU may be able to send out an official visit for players they are taking a fliers chance on to get interest.

Knowing that, Tyger may see that DePaul wanting to get him in for an official visit means a lot because getting that means he is an incredibly high value target for that school whereas it may not mean as much to other programs like Purdue, for example.

 

[Boilerman1973]

Yeah if I was a big-time recruit in any sport Hawaii would definitely be on my list for a official visit even though I probably wouldn't go there but a free vacation to Hawaii you can't beat that

 

[tjreese]

I think that Tyger is a very important recruit for Purdue. From what I can see, he looks like the playmaker who adds a whole new dimension to Purdue’s offense, kind of like LewJack but with better ball handling. Painter has had some trouble landing dynamic point guards and Tyger looks like a great compliment to the talent that would surround him.

I guess what I was trying to say was that not picking Purdue if that were to happen will probably hurt Tyger more than Purdue. Purdue is going to be pretty good down the road and there is no appearance at this time that Tyger has anything remotely as good as Purdue and so I think if he were to choose somewhere else it hurts him more than Purdue. I need to see more of him although the little I've seen I like his Ft shot. He has good awareness and can handle the ball fine...I'm not sure he scores inside in the big leagues like he does in video. I also can't tell if he is as quick as LewJack even though his ball handling may be better. There is a reason other than schools being full, for him not getting more attention I suspect. Could he be a nice piece to Purdue...I think so... due to his awareness, ball handling (dribbling and passing) adn just involving others. A good ball handler that can hit Fts is very nice to have. I hope Purdue gets him...just think Purdue goes on without missing a beat if they don't land him and think he needs Purdue more than Purdue needs him...on the limited viewings I've witnessed....

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I guess what I was trying to say was that not picking Purdue if that were to happen will probably hurt Tyger more than Purdue. Purdue is going to be pretty good down the road and there is no appearance at this time that Tyger has anything remotely as good as Purdue and so I think if he were to choose somewhere else it hurts him more than Purdue. I need to see more of him although the little I've seen I like his Ft shot. He has good awareness and can handle the ball fine...I'm not sure he scores inside in the big leagues like he does in video. I also can't tell if he is as quick as LewJack even though his ball handling may be better. There is a reason other than schools being full, for him not getting more attention I suspect. Could he be a nice piece to Purdue...I think so... due to his awareness, ball handling (dribbling and passing) adn just involving others. A good ball handler that can hit Fts is very nice to have. I hope Purdue gets him...just think Purdue goes on without missing a beat if they don't land him and think he needs Purdue more than Purdue needs him...on the limited viewings I've witnessed....

I just think Tyger's reclassifying to an earlier class and then decommiting has sort of left him without a chair at the table. Lots of big programs already had their guys lined up for this season and next...and there hasn't been a ton of movement for those programs that were initially recruiting him. Many may have moved on because they feel similar recruits are on the table for them and that if they hold out long enough, he may still be there if their current options run out.

Purdue will be fine without him...but they'll potentially be better because of him.

 

[tjreese]

I just think Tyger's reclassifying to an earlier class and then decommiting has sort of left him without a chair at the table. Lots of big programs already had their guys lined up for this season and next...and there hasn't been a ton of movement for those programs that were initially recruiting him. Many may have moved on because they feel similar recruits are on the table for them and that if they hold out long enough, he may still be there if their current options run out.

Purdue will be fine without him...but they'll potentially be better because of him.

yes, Purdue will or most liklely will be better with him (players blow up) and yes he is without a chair at the table...but there are some high profile teams that probably could talk a recruit into a shirt year if they wanted Tyger and nowhere does that seem to be happening

 

[Bob Sienicki]

Is Painter waiting on a decision from Courtney Ramey the reason for the delay from Tyger?

 

[Do Dah Day]

yes, Purdue will or most liklely will be better with him (players blow up) and yes he is without a chair at the table...but there are some high profile teams that probably could talk a recruit into a shirt year if they wanted Tyger and nowhere does that seem to be happening

a shirt year still takes a Scholarship - for FIVE years

 

[Do Dah Day]

Is Painter waiting on a decision from Courtney Ramey the reason for the delay from Tyger?

That's a "we'll know more tomorrow" answer

 

[Do Dah Day]

I should check with Todd, I bet we don't do more than 9 officials in most years.

 

[Rose Bowl Boilers]

I hope he comes here, just a little worried. You are right, no need for logic with kids, no doubt. lol

 

[tjreese]

a shirt year still takes a Scholarship - for FIVE years

but if he is THAT good does it matter? How many teams play past 8 very muchn anyway? I don't get into recruiting enough to really have a good feel, but a casual observer has a few questions. Off Topic...I really like this group. REALLY like hunter...even if he does overstride a bit and shoot sideways some. I like the center going hungry for a couple of weeks...an athlete that is raw an hungry (more ways that one ) lets me know this kid has some drive and he will work to be good. Williams has some skill for that wide body..and if he wants to model after biggie...start with teh physical side as he has some skill. I really like these three..a team...not three wings....

 

[Do Dah Day]

but if he is THAT good does it matter? How many teams play past 8 very muchn anyway? I don't get into recruiting enough to really have a good feel, but a casual observer has a few questions. Off Topic...I really like this group. REALLY like hunter...even if he does overstride a bit and shoot sideways some. I like the center going hungry for a couple of weeks...an athlete that is raw an hungry (more ways that one ) lets me know this kid has some drive and he will work to be good. Williams has some skill for that wide body..and if he wants to model after biggie...start with teh physical side as he has some skill. I really like these three..a team...not three wings....

My point was in response to your comment that said "there are some high profile teams that probably could talk a recruit into a shirt year if they wanted Tyger." A program can't talk a recruit into a shirt year and open-up a scholarship .... so if they redshirted someone, it wouldn't open a spot for Tyger

 

[tjreese]

My point was in response to your comment that said "there are some high profile teams that probably could talk a recruit into a shirt year if they wanted Tyger." A program can't talk a recruit into a shirt year and open-up a scholarship .... so if they redshirted someone, it wouldn't open a spot for Tyger

okay, but couldn't they shirt an existing player and open a spot,,,or put an existing player on a football scholly and open up another spot. I was thinking an existing player even though it was not clear and open spots...but a desire to balance a class by shirting adn now thinking they could use one for 2018 that they didn't think before.

 

[boilerzz]

Is Painter waiting on a decision from Courtney Ramey the reason for the delay from Tyger?

No. Ramey is unlikely to come to Purdue regardless and if Tyger were to commit, Ramey would no longer be an option regardless.

 

[Do Dah Day]

okay, but couldn't they shirt an existing player and open a spot,,,or put an existing player on a football scholly and open up another spot. I was thinking an existing player even though it was not clear and open spots...but a desire to balance a class by shirting adn now thinking they could use one for 2018 that they didn't think before.

but the shirted player is still on scholarship, whether existing or not ... and NO football coach is going to give one of his scholarships to a basketball player. Redshirting never opens up a scholarship and in fact it takes a scholarship for the 5th year of that player.

 

[tjreese]

but the shirted player is still on scholarship, whether existing or not ... and NO football coach is going to give one of his scholarships to a basketball player. Redshirting never opens up a scholarship and in fact it takes a scholarship for the 5th year of that player.

I thought Purdue or maybe it was IU that gave or considered giving a football spot to a basketball player..randel el? I can't recall for certain and I'm obviously not up on the rules

 

[punaj]

About the only thing I can think of is a player paying his own way so his scholarship is available to someone else. I feel like IU’s Jordan Hulls did that one year but I could be mistaken. In any case, I’m sure it’s rare.

 

[BoilerAndy]

About the only thing I can think of is a player paying his own way so his scholarship is available to someone else. I feel like IU’s Jordan Hulls did that one year but I could be mistaken. In any case, I’m sure it’s rare.

Yeah, that would be one way to open up a spot. The IU faithful were always floating around rumors that one of their players would pay their own way to resolve Crean's habit of over-recruiting. It seemed like a player was always creaned before it got to that point.

 

[Do Dah Day]

I thought Purdue or maybe it was IU that gave or considered giving a football spot to a basketball player..randel el? I can't recall for certain and I'm obviously not up on the rules

It's not a rules thing - but scholarships are like diamonds, that's why they are often reduced as a penalty. Splitting one with football could be done, but then a half scholarships in those two sports is pretty useless. In baseball or other sports, they're common.

 

[Do Dah Day]

About the only thing I can think of is a player paying his own way so his scholarship is available to someone else. I feel like IU’s Jordan Hulls did that one year but I could be mistaken. In any case, I’m sure it’s rare.

There was a player from a wealthy family one time. Not sure if he actually went off scholarship, seems like he didn't. It was a long time ago.

 

[RDUBoiler]

There was a player from a wealthy family one time. Not sure if he actually went off scholarship, seems like he didn't. It was a long time ago.

Didn't Willie Deane's family pay for him to attend one year to allow Purdue to sign another player?

Either way, digging around to research him, I found that he's had quite a career in Europe and is still playing over there at age 37.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

okay, but couldn't they shirt an existing player and open a spot,,,or put an existing player on a football scholly and open up another spot. I was thinking an existing player even though it was not clear and open spots...but a desire to balance a class by shirting adn now thinking they could use one for 2018 that they didn't think before.

Redshirting a player really has nothing to do with the scholarship. Only way to free up a scholarship is to pull it from someone, and I don’t believe you can have a scholarship player walk on after losing their scholarship, but could be wrong about that.

Can’t imagine there’s a Power 5 football coach that would be OK with using one of his scholarships on a non-player, but I suppose stranger things have happened.

 

[Wolegib]

if Tyger is down to Purdue and DePaul and isn't really enthused about either offer and is depressed the blue bloods already gave out their scholarships, could he reclassify himself and go back into the 2019 class? I would assume La Lum has other classes he could take.

 

[Emartin70287]

I doubt it, he probably reclassifies to make him look like a better NBA prospect. Going back a year doesn't really aide in getting to make a career out of basketball.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

I guess what I was trying to say was that not picking Purdue if that were to happen will probably hurt Tyger more than Purdue. Purdue is going to be pretty good down the road and there is no appearance at this time that Tyger has anything remotely as good as Purdue and so I think if he were to choose somewhere else it hurts him more than Purdue. I need to see more of him although the little I've seen I like his Ft shot. He has good awareness and can handle the ball fine...I'm not sure he scores inside in the big leagues like he does in video. I also can't tell if he is as quick as LewJack even though his ball handling may be better. There is a reason other than schools being full, for him not getting more attention I suspect. Could he be a nice piece to Purdue...I think so... due to his awareness, ball handling (dribbling and passing) adn just involving others. A good ball handler that can hit Fts is very nice to have. I hope Purdue gets him...just think Purdue goes on without missing a beat if they don't land him and think he needs Purdue more than Purdue needs him...on the limited viewings I've witnessed....

I didn’t mean to take the LewJack comparison too far. I was mostly thinking about the roll that LewJack played and how Painter was able to incorporate his strengths into the motion offense. I doubt that Tyger can match LewJack in terms of explosiveness, but I think that Tyger will be even more effective attacking the rim and setting up his teamates because of his skill with the ball.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

okay, but couldn't they shirt an existing player and open a spot,,,or put an existing player on a football scholly and open up another spot. I was thinking an existing player even though it was not clear and open spots...but a desire to balance a class by shirting adn now thinking they could use one for 2018 that they didn't think before.

I don't believe you can just transfer a basketball player to a football scholarship.

 

[tjreese]

I don't believe you can just transfer a basketball player to a football scholarship.

I do not know. I know there was talk of that with Randel El at IU but I don't know. I'm ignorant in this area because quite frankly it has never been an interest to me. I'm interested in the coaching philosophy and players in basketball relative to skill, athleticism and desire. I depend on others that are more tuned into to brief me on these things. Still, I know for a fact there were discussions in forums years ago about doing such. Were those discussions in ignorance? Perhaps...and perhaps some of those rules have changed like football only allowing 85 since the early 90s.

When Patrick Bade left the basketball team to play football...was he not on a football scholly?

 

[boilerzz]

I don't believe you can just transfer a basketball player to a football scholarship.

Correct. This is now allowed.

 

[boilerzz]

When Patrick Bade left the basketball team to play football...was he not on a football scholly?

Not sure but if he was, he would not have been allowed to play basketball for Purdue.

 

[tjreese]

Not sure but if he was, he would not have been allowed to play basketball for Purdue.

so a football scholly player can't walk on the basketball team?

 

[boilerzz]

so a football scholly player can't walk on the basketball team?

Different scenario. If a person signs a letter of intent to play basketball, they cannot transition to a different athletic program under scholarship and play basketball.

It was a specific rule put in place to keep teams from stockpiling basketball players on other sports teams.

 

[tjreese]

Different scenario. If a person signs a letter of intent to play basketball, they cannot transition to a different athletic program under scholarship and play basketball.

It was a specific rule put in place to keep teams from stockpiling basketball players on other sports teams.

Thank you. I remember Buckner for IU playing both sports and so I'm guessing this is another rule that has been changed over teh years

 

[tjreese]

Different scenario. If a person signs a letter of intent to play basketball, they cannot transition to a different athletic program under scholarship and play basketball.

It was a specific rule put in place to keep teams from stockpiling basketball players on other sports teams.

...and I assume this goes for an existing player rather than just a new recruit as far as transition

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

so a football scholly player can't walk on the basketball team?

I thought the rule for two-sport student athletes was one of a hierarchy (with football at the top), but only one scholarship. Accordingly, if the student athlete played football (no matter what the other sport was, including basketball), the scholarship was considered to count toward the football limit. If the student athlete played basketball (and the other sport was not football), the scholarship was counted toward the basketball limit.

Maybe this has changed. The idea was to prevent Member Institutions from "circumventing" the football limits. These fine pillars of education wouldn't do something like that, would they?

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Different scenario. If a person signs a letter of intent to play basketball, they cannot transition to a different athletic program under scholarship and play basketball.

It was a specific rule put in place to keep teams from stockpiling basketball players on other sports teams.

Thanks for the clarification and additional info, ZZ.

 

[boiler2288]

Notre Dame vs DePaul this Saturday afternoon is a sellout at the brand new off-campus Wintrust arena-10,000 seats. I would think the DePaul staff likely urged Tyger to at least visit and determine on his own what DePaul has to offer against a quality opponent in respect to team, arena, fans and how he might fit in ??? I'm sure he will receive the "hardsell sales approach" ABC method-Always Be Closing

 

[tjreese]

I thought the rule for two-sport student athletes was one of a hierarchy (with football at the top), but only one scholarship. Accordingly, if the student athlete played football (no matter what the other sport was, including basketball), the scholarship was considered to count toward the football limit. If the student athlete played basketball (and the other sport was not football), the scholarship was counted toward the basketball limit.

Maybe this has changed. The idea was to prevent Member Institutions from "circumventing" the football limits. These fine pillars of education wouldn't do something like that, would they?

not a chance it is all about the student athlete!

 

[Fansince72]

Notre

Hopefully ND beats the heck out of them and Tyger comes to the realization that there is only 1 logical choice.

 

[njm8845]

Notre Dame vs DePaul this Saturday afternoon is a sellout at the brand new off-campus Wintrust arena-10,000 seats. I would think the DePaul staff likely urged Tyger to at least visit and determine on his own what DePaul has to offer against a quality opponent in respect to team, arena, fans and how he might fit in ??? I'm sure he will receive the "hardsell sales approach" ABC method-Always Be Closing

I'm surprised they filled it, but it's probably a lot of ND fans. How horrible would it be to have the arena that far off campus? I wonder if their practice facility is down there too.

 

[IndyRider]

so a football scholly player can't walk on the basketball team?

You can, but not until the sport you are on scholarship for is done. The one paying always takes precedence.