Two takeaways from the Haas Blunder

[rwenger]

(1) Maryland was running the Bryce Drew tip drill to perfection (except, of course that the pass was overthrown) and we were ill-equipped to defend it. Melo. (I believe) would have had a beautiful look. Watch it again and see for yourself.

(2) Concerning Haas's near-fatal gaffe, I am still looking for the player---high school, college or pro---who has the presence of mind to HEAVE the ball straight up and/or toward your own basket to kill those last 3 to 3-and- a-half seconds. (Think a parabola opening downward.) Holding onto the ball (or taking steps) does the exact opposite of what you want---stop the clock. Throwing the ball the other way with an exaggerated lob keeps the clock running. By the time the ball comes down = game over!

 

[tjreese]

(1) Maryland was running the Bryce Drew tip drill to perfection (except, of course that the pass was overthrown) and we were ill-equipped to defend it. Melo. (I believe) would have had a beautiful look. Watch it again and see for yourself.

(2) Concerning Haas's near-fatal gaffe, I am still looking for the player---high school, college or pro---who has the presence of mind to HEAVE the ball straight up and/or toward your own basket to kill those last 3 to 3-and- a-half seconds. (Think a parabola opening downward.) Holding onto the ball (or taking steps) does the exact opposite of what you want---stop the clock. Throwing the ball the other way with an exaggerated lob keeps the clock running. By the time the ball comes down = game over!

I think there were 2.1 seconds, but yes throwing it up straight would kill clock as would just holding the ball. I was more surprised that Matt never had Haas on the trigger man, but guess he wanted physical matchup for fear that Maryland has a quicker player taking it out and getting a quick return pass going down hill while Haas was still around the baseline for a decent look around half court

 

[reggieholt]

FYI, see 2007 Wisc-Texas basketball game where UW's Michael Flowers steals the in-bounds pass, then heaves the ball straight up to kill the remaining time.

 

[Ben Shadeland]

I agree with the heaving thing, but I did that once in high school and almost paid dearly. Those seconds take longer to tick off than one might think.

Of course, Isaac is roughly sixteen times stronger than I was in high school, so he'd likely get a good deal more loft than I did.

 

[lbodel]

FYI, see 2007 Wisc-Texas basketball game where UW's Michael Flowers steals the in-bounds pass, then heaves the ball straight up to kill the remaining time.

Not that this is an excuse, but I don't think Haas was remotely expecting to be the recipient of the ball.

At the end of the day, the time should not have even been put on the clock, the ball should not have been inbounded where it was (the travel took place outside the 3 point line) and the shot did not get off in time.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

FYI, see 2007 Wisc-Texas basketball game where UW's Michael Flowers steals the in-bounds pass, then heaves the ball straight up to kill the remaining time.

Magic Johnson did something similar (with a slight twist). Game 6 of the WCF in '91. Blazers with a huge comeback down one....after a missed jump shot from Portland, Magic gets the rebound and before he can be fouled tosses the ball (almost backwards from where he was turned) past everyone into the front-court....Portland had only enough time for a tip play from their own baseline.

I remember thinking at the time how smart of a play that was.....funny how some of those things stick with you.

 

[tjreese]

Not that this is an excuse, but I don't think Haas was remotely expecting to be the recipient of the ball.

At the end of the day, the time should not have even been put on the clock, the ball should not have been inbounded where it was (the travel took place outside the 3 point line) and the shot did not get off in time.

Not knowing the precise rules I agree with you. Haas had one foot inside and one foot outside the arc I believe. It was his inside foot that became his pivot foot if I recall correctly by him stepping forward. Therefore it seems to me that one he lifted his pivot foot or inside foot and established his position on his outside foot a travel was made due to establishing his position outside the arc. I really don't know but declared at the time it would be out of bounds in front of Maryland and already establishing in my mind no pass going to baseline or anything allowing player to turn to his left

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I agree with the heaving thing, but I did that once in high school and almost paid dearly. Those seconds take longer to tick off than one might think.

Of course, Isaac is roughly sixteen times stronger than I was in high school, so he'd likely get a good deal more loft than I did.

Yeah, but then he'd get another technical foul (and bill) for breaking the scoreboard lights.

 

[tjreese]

Yeah, but then he'd get another technical foul (and bill) for breaking the scoreboard lights.

The way this gentle giant has kept his cool is amazing. Others would have had a lot of flagrant intentional fouls and a few techs along the way

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

FYI, see 2007 Wisc-Texas basketball game where UW's Michael Flowers steals the in-bounds pass, then heaves the ball straight up to kill the remaining time.

at about 4:00.....Rick Barnes' teams....talented but just couldn't put it all together.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

The way this gentle giant has kept his cool is amazing. Others would have had a lot of flagrant intentional fouls and a few techs along the way

I'm thinking/hoping he will be an absolute beast next season....he is learning at the school of "hard knocks" anyway....taking a few more right now than he's giving.

 

[02Boilermaker]

Maybe throwing the ball up in the air to kill the clock isn't the best idea ever...

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Maybe throwing the ball up in the air to kill the clock isn't the best idea ever...

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Wow. The Big Ten had to be connected some how.

 

[todd brewster]

When I was in college, we were down by 1 with a second showing on the clock and we had no idea if that was .3 sec or 1.7 sec as we did not have a tenth hand back then. I was at half court and sprinted to the basket and the throw was perfect and I did a volleyball set and got the ball on the rim and it fell out. For years later, I felt since we were at home, I should have caught the ball and shot, because the timekeepers should have been on my side starting the clock. Oh well.

In this game, Haas caught it and walked with .5 left on the clock; but the refs did not blow the whistle until there was no time remaining. Game over!

BTW, Matt IMO had Haas stationed in the right place. If someone caught it, Haas just had to run across with his hands up.

 

[Chauncey1986]

(1) Maryland was running the Bryce Drew tip drill to perfection (except, of course that the pass was overthrown) and we were ill-equipped to defend it. Melo. (I believe) would have had a beautiful look. Watch it again and see for yourself.

(2) Concerning Haas's near-fatal gaffe, I am still looking for the player---high school, college or pro---who has the presence of mind to HEAVE the ball straight up and/or toward your own basket to kill those last 3 to 3-and- a-half seconds. (Think a parabola opening downward.) Holding onto the ball (or taking steps) does the exact opposite of what you want---stop the clock. Throwing the ball the other way with an exaggerated lob keeps the clock running. By the time the ball comes down = game over!

surprised they didn't call a charge on him in those last 2 seconds

 

[GS Thomas]

(1) Maryland was running the Bryce Drew tip drill to perfection (except, of course that the pass was overthrown) and we were ill-equipped to defend it. Melo. (I believe) would have had a beautiful look. Watch it again and see for yourself.

(2) Concerning Haas's near-fatal gaffe, I am still looking for the player---high school, college or pro---who has the presence of mind to HEAVE the ball straight up and/or toward your own basket to kill those last 3 to 3-and- a-half seconds. (Think a parabola opening downward.) Holding onto the ball (or taking steps) does the exact opposite of what you want---stop the clock. Throwing the ball the other way with an exaggerated lob keeps the clock running. By the time the ball comes down = game over!

I've seen dozens of players throw the ball as you describe. Guess I've seen alot more basketball than you.

 

[Gemini95]

FWIW on another (non hoops specific) board that I frequent, impartial observers thought the travel call was ridiculous.

 

[rwenger]

Maybe throwing the ball up in the air to kill the clock isn't the best idea ever...

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Throw it up and toward your basket with an arch. I actually witnessed a high school girl's game where the lead team taking ball out under opponent basket at end of close game just throw the ball into the back court, ostensibly to avoid a 5-second call, but with the added benefit of having the opposing team try tracking it down, and in the scramble, have no hope to get a decent shot.

 

[BoilerAndy]

(1) Maryland was running the Bryce Drew tip drill to perfection (except, of course that the pass was overthrown) and we were ill-equipped to defend it. Melo. (I believe) would have had a beautiful look. Watch it again and see for yourself.

(2) Concerning Haas's near-fatal gaffe, I am still looking for the player---high school, college or pro---who has the presence of mind to HEAVE the ball straight up and/or toward your own basket to kill those last 3 to 3-and- a-half seconds. (Think a parabola opening downward.) Holding onto the ball (or taking steps) does the exact opposite of what you want---stop the clock. Throwing the ball the other way with an exaggerated lob keeps the clock running. By the time the ball comes down = game over!

I thought that he should simply hold it with both hands, arms extended straight over his head until the horn sounded. No way Maryland gets it without fouling.

But the key is, don't stop playing until you hear the horn.

 

[Chauncey1986]

speaking of watching a lot of games (or the Gene Keady Show), I will admit, I did tape his shows and many games back in the day. Gee whiz,,, I was ate up. Wife would ask what I was taping... " Oh just the Gene Keady show".. I am better now. It's all digital.

 

[Dakota Girl]

FWIW on another (non hoops specific) board that I frequent, impartial observers thought the travel call was ridiculous.

I had an IU fan say the same. Of course so was taking any steps at all. Don't give the ref a chance to screw up.