Tuskegee Airmen will no longer be taught to Air Force recruits

[BNIBoiler]

I hope that you anti-DEI Flavor Aiders are happy now.

The WWII B-17 bomber squadrons sure did not mind this DEI. The all black Tuskeegee Airmen were the only fighter squadron to consistently protect these bombers during their escort missions. The Tuskeegee Airmen were eventually requested to escort these bombers.

Which one of y'all are brave enough to explain what is wrong about teaching about the wonderful Tuskeegee Airmen to Air Force cadets? Scared to teach the Air Force cadets that the white fighter squadrons were not up to the task of protecting the B-17 bombers in WWII, perhaps.

Heeding Trump, Air Force won't teach recruits about Tuskegee Airmen

A video on the pioneering Black pilots, famed for their World War II exploits, was stripped from an Air Force basic training curriculum this week.

www.expressnews.com

 

[Quix0te]

Which one of y'all are brave enough to explain what is wrong about teaching about the wonderful Tuskeegee Airmen to Air Force cadets?

You don't understand the agenda. The reason that there were Tuskegee Airmen is because it was a segregated unit. There were a lot of segregated units in WWII, both white and black. That's what the military services have been trying to move away from for 75 years. The focus going forward is integration of units, color-blind if you prefer, where race of a service member is of no significance. No racial preferences, no affirmative action, no DEI. It’s called equality.

 

[Riveting]

I hope that you anti-DEI Flavor Aiders are happy now.

The WWII B-17 bomber squadrons sure did not mind this DEI. The all black Tuskeegee Airmen were the only fighter squadron to consistently protect these bombers during their escort missions. The Tuskeegee Airmen were eventually requested to escort these bombers.

Which one of y'all are brave enough to explain what is wrong about teaching about the wonderful Tuskeegee Airmen to Air Force cadets? Scared to teach the Air Force cadets that the white fighter squadrons were not up to the task of protecting the B-17 bombers in WWII, perhaps.

Heeding Trump, Air Force won't teach recruits about Tuskegee Airmen

A video on the pioneering Black pilots, famed for their World War II exploits, was stripped from an Air Force basic training curriculum this week.

www.expressnews.com

I have no doubt that they were brave and skillful pilots, and true patriots.

I think it likely that the most skillful pilots in WW2 were flying off aircraft carriers in the Pacific and on ultra-dangerous, unescorted runs deep into Axis territory.

As a student of history, you can correct me if you know otherwise.

 

[BNIBoiler]

You don't understand the agenda. The reason that there were Tuskegee Airmen is because it was a segregated unit. There were a lot of segregated units in WWII, both white and black. That's what the military services have been trying to move away from for 75 years. The focus going forward is integration of units, color-blind if you prefer, where race of a service member is of no significance. No racial preferences, no affirmative action, no DEI. It’s called equality.

Truman integrated the US armed forces officially in 1948. That’s not an issue anymore. Blacks and whites have been fighting and dying side by side since then. That’s the right wing playbook. Erase history by not showing film or teaching Air Force cadets about history of the Tuskegee Airmen. The bravery they shown in battle despite the odds against them.

So according to your logic, no American should watch any historical event that displays racism. So, movies about slavery, Jim Crow. Or movies and documentaries about MLK or Malcom X.

Back to the Tuskegee Airmen, I bet you most of y’all in this forum have never seen the 2012 Hollywood film, “Red Tails”. Or any documentaries on the topic.

 

[BNIBoiler]

I have no doubt that they were brave and skillful pilots, and true patriots.

I think it likely that the most skillful pilots in WW2 were flying off aircraft carriers in the Pacific and on ultra-dangerous, unescorted runs deep into Axis territory.

As a student of history, you can correct me if you know otherwise.

Yes, I am a student of history and the WWII Pacific theater is my wheelhouse. I’ve watched “Tora, Tora, Tora” and the original “Midway” movies at least 20 times each. Plus countless documentaries. But, there y’all go again downplaying accomplishments of black pilots by bringing up carrier fighter pilots. If the Tuskegee Airmen can be trained to fly P51 Mustangs, they can be trained to fly and land on aircraft carriers, SBD Dauntless, Hellcats, Wildcats, and Corsairs. Remember the Tuskegee Airmen were college graduates unlike most of the white P51 white counterparts.

If they were brave and skillful pilots, and true patriots like you say they are then why can’t we learn about there accomplishments? Why?

 

[Quix0te]

So according to your logic, no American should watch any historical event that displays racism. So, movies about slavery, Jim Crow. Or movies and documentaries about MLK or Malcom X.

No, that isn't my logic at all. That is your racist, hate-mongering distortion of my comments.

The service academies do not teach cadets that the southern states are racist. They do not belabor that the Civil War was about slavery, and that the cadets from Alabama and Mississippi sitting beside you had slave owners and Klansmen as their ancestors. And that the next generation was Jim Crow and segregation. They all know this. It serves no purpose to rub their noses in it.

But you think it's very important to continue to stir the pot and belabor these issues.

 

[BNIBoiler]

No, that isn't my logic at all. That is your racist, hate-mongering distortion of my comments.

The service academies do not teach cadets that the southern states are racist. They do not belabor that the Civil War was about slavery, and that the cadets from Alabama and Mississippi sitting beside you had slave owners and Klansmen as their ancestors. And that the next generation was Jim Crow and segregation. They all know this. It serves no purpose to rub their noses in it.

But you think it's very important to continue to stir the pot and belabor these issues.

So why can’t the story of the Tuskegee Airmen be told to the cadets?

 

[Riveting]

Yes, I am a student of history and the WWII Pacific theater is my wheelhouse. I’ve watched “Tora, Tora, Tora” and the original “Midway” movies at least 20 times each. Plus countless documentaries. But, there y’all go again downplaying accomplishments of black pilots by bringing up carrier fighter pilots. If the Tuskegee Airmen can be trained to fly P51 Mustangs, they can be trained to fly and land on aircraft carriers, SBD Dauntless, Hellcats, Wildcats, and Corsairs. Remember the Tuskegee Airmen were college graduates unlike most of the white P51 white counterparts.

If they were brave and skillful pilots, and true patriots like you say they are then why can’t we learn about there accomplishments? Why?

We can. Nothing is stopping you.

Perhaps it is not considered necessary for airmen anymore because there are now plenty of black pilots, which is a far better way to demonstrate blacks can be excellent pilots.

For example, Tony Jones, one of my all-time favorite Boilers.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Truman integrated the US armed forces officially in 1948. That’s not an issue anymore. Blacks and whites have been fighting and dying side by side since then. That’s the right wing playbook. Erase history by not showing film or teaching Air Force cadets about history of the Tuskegee Airmen. The bravery they shown in battle despite the odds against them.

So according to your logic, no American should watch any historical event that displays racism. So, movies about slavery, Jim Crow. Or movies and documentaries about MLK or Malcom X.

Back to the Tuskegee Airmen, I bet you most of y’all in this forum have never seen the 2012 Hollywood film, “Red Tails”. Or any documentaries on the topic.

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Great group of men they were. Watched the film twice because it was that damned good. Now get the heck off your high horse and grow the heck up. You devalue other blacks...you honestly do.

 

[Quix0te]

So why can’t the story of the Tuskegee Airmen be told to the cadets?

Because it's time for the race-baiting to stop.

 

[Quix0te]

Yes, I am a student of history and the WWII Pacific theater is my wheelhouse. I’ve watched “Tora, Tora, Tora” and the original “Midway” movies at least 20 times each. Plus countless documentaries.

"I have already given two cousins to the war and I stand ready to sacrifice my wife's brother." - Charles Farrar Browne

 

[BNIBoiler]

We can. Nothing is stopping you.

Perhaps it is not considered necessary for airmen anymore because there are now plenty of black pilots, which is a far better way to demonstrate blacks can be excellent pilots.

For example, Tony Jones, one of my all-time favorite Boilers.

Then these black pilots get hired by the airlines and then y’all label them as DEI hires.

 

[BNIBoiler]

Because it's time for the race-baiting to stop.

Wow. So how is it race baiting? That is one of the most ridiculous statement I ever heard. Some of these pilots died in combat and you actually have the gall to claim it is race baiting to learn bout these dudes. You only prefer folks to learn about white pilots only. Or white anything only. I bet you one of the folks that whine about all of the Latin MLB players. Been hearing that whining for decades from white folks. You sir are a racist and it is appalling for someone like you to be on these forums.

 

[BNIBoiler]

"I have already given two cousins to the war and I stand ready to sacrifice my wife's brother." - Charles Farrar Browne

What the so and so does that mean particularly in reference to my post.

 

[Riveting]

Then these black pilots get hired by the airlines and then y’all label them as DEI hires.

You have mindset that you are stuck on.

Do you think conservatives consider Dr. Ben Carson a DEI hire?

 

[bonefish1]

So here's the issue: You want the Tuskegee airmen to be recognized why? For what unique characteristic are you trying to single them out by?
Answer: Their skin color. They were black. Not that they were good pilots, but because they were good black pilots.
You want us to be surprised that these men were successful, because they're black.
That's pretty racist.

 

[bonefish1]

You have mindset that you are stuck on.

Do you think conservatives consider Dr. Ben Carson a DEI hire?

Or Tim Scott....or Nikki Haley.....or,,,,,oh, never mind.

 

[BNIBoiler]

Great group of men they were. Watched the film twice because it was that damned good. Now get the heck off your high horse and grow the heck up. You devalue other blacks...you honestly do.

You agree or disagree that the Air Force should not teach the story of the Tuskegee Airmen?

While they are at it. Why doesn’t West Point stop teaching about “The Black Panthers”. The ll black 761st Tank Battalion that liberated cities and towns through Europe during WWII.

The Black Panthers Enter Combat: The 761st Tank Battalion | The National WWII Museum | New Orleans

The men of the African American 761st Tank Battalion entered combat at Morville-les-Vic on November 7, 1944. In an "inferno" of battle, they proved their worth in the first of a series of hard fought battles.

www.nationalww2museum.org

Or, why don’t the Naval Academy stop teaching about Dorie Miller. A Navy cook on the West Virginia that was attacked by the Japanese in Pearl Harbor. The gunner was killed. Miller took control of the anti-aircraft machine gun and took out a couple Japanese aircraft. Then saved lives of his fellow seaman during and after the attack. But I know it’s race baiting to learn about it. They recently combined an aircraft carrier in his namesake. Bet y’all disagree with that a well. DEI I suppose.

USS Doris Miller (CVN 81) Naming Ceremony

On Jan. 20, 2020 —the holiday marking the birthday of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.— the U.S. Navy officially named its newest aircraft carrier, the future USS Doris Miller (CVN 81)."Dorie Miller

www.navy.mil

 

[BNIBoiler]

You have mindset that you are stuck on.

Do you think conservatives consider Dr. Ben Carson a DEI hire?

That’s partly my point in all of this. Not once has any right winger call a prominent black conservative a DEI hire. Crickets when I mention that Carson and Justice Thomas were beneficiaries of affirmative action. Hershel Walker runs for the GA senate no one on the right called him unqualified when he clearly was.

 

[BNIBoiler]

So here's the issue: You want the Tuskegee airmen to be recognized why? For what unique characteristic are you trying to single them out by?
Answer: Their skin color. They were black. Not that they were good pilots, but because they were good black pilots.
You want us to be surprised that these men were successful, because they're black.
That's pretty racist.

Their story has already been told in this case by the Air Force to the cadets. I’ll ask again, should the Air Force stop telling their story to the cadets? And why.

 

[BNIBoiler]

So here's the issue: You want the Tuskegee airmen to be recognized why? For what unique characteristic are you trying to single them out by?
Answer: Their skin color. They were black. Not that they were good pilots, but because they were good black pilots.
You want us to be surprised that these men were successful, because they're black.
That's pretty racist.

I did not start this topic to mental surprised that they were black. I started the topic to find out why their story is being stopped in the Air Force. So far y’all can’t give me any reason and that is telling. One racist in this forum had the nerve to say telling their story is racist. I have a feeling that is the consensus in this forum. I see how y’all want this stuff taken out of schools. Black history in the US is American history and should remain taught in schools. The good and the bad.

 

[Boilermaker03]

That’s partly my point in all of this. Not once has any right winger call a prominent black conservative a DEI hire. Crickets when I mention that Carson and Justice Thomas were beneficiaries of affirmative action. Hershel Walker runs for the GA senate no one on the right called him unqualified when he clearly was.

Because DEI is not something that conservatives covet. Therefore, if you made up the ranks of the conservative party, you know you earned it.

 

[Boilermaker03]

I did not start this topic to mental surprised that they were black. I started the topic to find out why their story is being stopped in the Air Force. So far y’all can’t give me any reason and that is telling. One racist in this forum had the nerve to say telling their story is racist. I have a feeling that is the consensus in this forum. I see how y’all want this stuff taken out of schools. Black history in the US is American history and should remain taught in schools. The good and the bad.

There's nothing wrong with telling the story. It's the context in which it's being told is my guess as to why it's being stopped. I hope you do understand that Trump didn't specifically tell them to not tell these stories right? This was determined by personnel that know the curriculum and they determined that it was a part of DEI. So, you should be questioning those people as to why it's being removed.

 

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[Quix0te]

I started the topic to find out why their story is being stopped in the Air Force. So far y’all can’t give me any reason and that is telling.

I did give you a reason: The military services are focused upon a future of equality rather than a past of segregation and discrimination. You didn't like the answer. Here is the new agenda:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/01...-action-color-blindness/?s_campaign=8315:varf

 

[BNIBoiler]

I did give you a reason: The military services are focused upon a future of equality rather than a past of segregation and discrimination. You didn't like the answer. Here is the new agenda:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/01...-action-color-blindness/?s_campaign=8315:varf

That’s a bunch of bs. It was racism and bigotry that lead to paint is the 1964 Civil Rights Act and then subsequently to affirmative action and now DEI. Getting rid of affirmative action, like the racist right wingers did already, and now getting rid of DEI will only take the US back 60 years. Back to the days of white only hiring regardless of merit. Well if that is the world that you want, knock yourself out.

 

[tjreese]

So here's the issue: You want the Tuskegee airmen to be recognized why? For what unique characteristic are you trying to single them out by?
Answer: Their skin color. They were black. Not that they were good pilots, but because they were good black pilots.
You want us to be surprised that these men were successful, because they're black.
That's pretty racist.

If they were not good, why would the USA allow them to fly million dollar planes? BNI can't distinguish when there is a deliberate pick for something by color and others ending up in places not due to color, but merit. He doesn't understand that when someone says I want a black woman for SCOTUS and picks one, that there never was an attempt to get the best person possible and as a result will have her decisions questioned more so than had there been an attempt to be color AND sex blind and just picked the best person.

When you openly suggest that you are picking someone on anything outside of merit, right or wrong when things don't work out the qualifications will always be questioned. Of course someone can point to someone being hired due to a connection, but ALL those individual examples are completely different than when a "demographic" is chosen. By choosing a demographic, the choice ignores the individual! Those that have children or are close to families with children all know that each child is different, even if the environment was as similar as possible. Intersectionality is a cancer on society and the hallmark of the democrat party. I can't think of anything more destructive and illogical if a desire for unity and procurement of an advanced ideal is desired.

 

[tjreese]

I hope that you anti-DEI Flavor Aiders are happy now.

The WWII B-17 bomber squadrons sure did not mind this DEI. The all black Tuskeegee Airmen were the only fighter squadron to consistently protect these bombers during their escort missions. The Tuskeegee Airmen were eventually requested to escort these bombers.

Which one of y'all are brave enough to explain what is wrong about teaching about the wonderful Tuskeegee Airmen to Air Force cadets? Scared to teach the Air Force cadets that the white fighter squadrons were not up to the task of protecting the B-17 bombers in WWII, perhaps.

Heeding Trump, Air Force won't teach recruits about Tuskegee Airmen

A video on the pioneering Black pilots, famed for their World War II exploits, was stripped from an Air Force basic training curriculum this week.

www.expressnews.com

I'm unsure what this snippet means?

"On Saturday, the Air Force said that in response to Trump's executive orders, it was conducting a review of the basic training curriculum and had suspended certain courses in which the Tuskegee Airmen and WASP videos were included. Those "historical videos ... were not the direct focus of course removal actions,” the service said."

Will someone explain what "WASP" signifies...it gets so confusing sometimes...

 

[Quix0te]

Getting rid of affirmative action, like the racist right wingers did already, and now getting rid of DEI will only take the US back 60 years.

Honest to God, what is wrong with you? The Supreme Court has ruled that the use of race in in hiring and college admission decisions violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. And it very clearly does. Your TDS and woke addiction has you in such a state of denial that you are nearly incoherent.

 

[Riveting]

That’s partly my point in all of this. Not once has any right winger call a prominent black conservative a DEI hire. Crickets when I mention that Carson and Justice Thomas were beneficiaries of affirmative action. Hershel Walker runs for the GA senate no one on the right called him unqualified when he clearly was.

I thought Walker was not well qualified, but considering some of the true buffoons in Congress, such as Hank Johnson and his concern that Guam might tip over, I am reluctant to say anybody is unqualified.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

You agree or disagree that the Air Force should not teach the story of the Tuskegee Airmen?

I believe the military should do what they believe best for morale and for the professionalism of the troops. And I believe you should quit whining every day about your imaginary black helicopter in your head.

Joint counseling with Bob might be the best thing the two of you can do.

 

[Riveting]

That’s partly my point in all of this. Not once has any right winger call a prominent black conservative a DEI hire. Crickets when I mention that Carson and Justice Thomas were beneficiaries of affirmative action.

They may have benefitted from AA, but that does not make them unqualified for subsequent positions. Do you think it does?

 

[BNIBoiler]

They may have benefitted from AA, but that does not make them unqualified for subsequent positions. Do you think it does?

I don't. Even though I do not care for them personally, they are obviously qualified. Their Yale degree offered them opportunities that they may not have had if they were not admitted along with 20 or so other black men in that affirmative action program. If Dr. Casrson had not have gone to Yale, those conjoined twins that he helped separate may be still conjoined to this day. But according to the right wing standards, because they went through AA, they are not qualified. But that standard appears to be waved when it's a black conservative.

 

[BNIBoiler]

.I'm unsure what this snippet means?

"On Saturday, the Air Force said that in response to Trump's executive orders, it was conducting a review of the basic training curriculum and had suspended certain courses in which the Tuskegee Airmen and WASP videos were included. Those "historical videos ... were not the direct focus of course removal actions,” the service said."

Will someone explain what "WASP" signifies...it gets so confusing sometimes...

WASP stands for Women's Airforce Service Pilots.

 

[tjreese]

WASP stands for Women's Airforce Service Pilots.

I'm going to assume that there were white women in the WASP

 

[tjreese]

I don't. Even though I do not care for them personally, they are obviously qualified. Their Yale degree offered them opportunities that they may not have had if they were not admitted along with 20 or so other black men in that affirmative action program. If Dr. Casrson had not have gone to Yale, those conjoined twins that he helped separate may be still conjoined to this day. But according to the right wing standards, because they went through AA, they are not qualified. But that standard appears to be waved when it's a black conservative.

I'll bet that Clarence could state what a man was, something that befuddled Ketanji Brown. There are only two ways of looking at this. 1) she is very stupid. I don't believe she is that stupid. 2) She was not willing to make a stand based upon truth and caved to outside pressure, which I think happened. Should a SCOTUS appointee cave to societal pressure? Should we expect people to harass members of the SCOTUS when they follow law and reverse bad law such as Roe vs. Wade? Is that what is needed, judges to be bullied to make a decision favored, not by law, but by the bullies? Her caving should be a HUGE concern...which would make her in my mind not be qualified.

If you really believe that the standard "appears to be waved when it's a black conservative", then you admit is has nothing to do with race. Do you seek a qualified or the most qualified in any endeavor? The issue is NOT that it is impossible to have the most qualified appointment under the guise of DEI, it is the admittance that the most qualified was never a concern. When it is a public admittance as I've written several times, it is understandable why competence is a question.