Trump on Great Britain

[qazplm]

"In terms of Britain I would say, 'What do you need it for?' But again, let people make up their own mind."

Why? Because their Prime Minister said something mean about him and his ban on Muslims.

If Trump is elected, welcome to a foreign policy that totally revolves on what Donald Trump personally feels about whether or not this or that foreign leader showed him the proper level of respect in his mind.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

"In terms of Britain I would say, 'What do you need it for?' But again, let people make up their own mind."

Why? Because their Prime Minister said something mean about him and his ban on Muslims.

If Trump is elected, welcome to a foreign policy that totally revolves on what Donald Trump personally feels about whether or not this or that foreign leader showed him the proper level of respect in his mind.

Running guns to mexico, violent regime change in the middle east, horrible iranian nuclear deal, ISIL, refugee crisis, a collapsing Iraq, failed greece bailout, Crimea...Let's not pretend the bar is so high.

 

[qazplm]

Running guns to mexico, violent regime change in the middle east, horrible iranian nuclear deal, ISIL, refugee crisis, a collapsing Iraq, failed greece bailout, Crimea...Let's not pretend the bar is so high.

lol yes, before Obama the ME was so quiet! And we all know how stable the Greek economy was, and surely Donald Trump would have stopped Russia from taking land that historically belonged to it from halfway across the world by...something, something, not Obama.

Trump's gonna fix all of that, AND kiss off our best allies to boot!

I'm just going to assume your inability to defend this silliness combined with an Obama attack means you got nothing.

 

[TheCainer]

"In terms of Britain I would say, 'What do you need it for?' But again, let people make up their own mind."

Why? Because their Prime Minister said something mean about him and his ban on Muslims.

If Trump is elected, welcome to a foreign policy that totally revolves on what Donald Trump personally feels about whether or not this or that foreign leader showed him the proper level of respect in his mind.

Apparently Trump isn't the only candidate to have pi$$ed off the Brits.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/pub-trump-rubio-cruz-urinals-piss-poll-article-1.2549191

 

[gr8indoorsman]

WTF does Obama have to do with Greece and their bailout? I mean I can at least loosely see levying criticism at Obama for all that other stuff (very loosely in some cases), but Greece? Nah. That's akin to blaming me for Purdue football.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

WTF does Obama have to do with Greece and their bailout? I mean I can at least loosely see levying criticism at Obama for all that other stuff (very loosely in some cases), but Greece? Nah. That's akin to blaming me for Purdue football.

International Monetary Fund (IMF). Who needs EDIT: MANY BILLIONS from the good ole us of a, that maybe Greece will pay back or not (NOT)? He's as much responsible for it as any other expense approved in the budget. BTW the loan rates given out are sometimes less than the us treasury note rate! In other words, other countries get better loan deals than you do off of your tax dollars!! haha! what a sad pathetic joke this country has become.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

International Monetary Fund (IMF). Who needs 100B from the good ole us of a, that maybe Greece will pay back or not (NOT)?

You're mistaken. Greece has received less than $50 billion total in bailout money from the IMF, and the US makes up ~17% of the IMF's funding. So at most, it's still less than $10billion from the US which is not only a drop in the bucket compared to direct aid the US gives countries, it's far, far less than most every major Eurozone country has provided for their bailout AND it's money that's already earmarked to go to the IMF for their distribution via vote anyway. How much has the US directly aided Greece? Zippo. So the net increase in money outflows from the US because of the Greek debt crisis amounts to $0.00 (zip point shit dollars).

Here's a breakdown (as of last week) of who Greece owes what (this is what they owe, not what they've been paid... they've been paid E$43 billion by the IMF).

So yeah, as I said, this is like blaming me for Purdue football.

 

[qazplm]

You're mistaken. Greece has received less than $50 billion total in bailout money from the IMF, and the US makes up ~17% of the IMF's funding. So at most, it's still less than $10billion from the US which is not only a drop in the bucket compared to direct aid the US gives countries, it's far, far less than most every major Eurozone country has provided for their bailout AND it's money that's already earmarked to go to the IMF for their distribution via vote anyway. How much has the US directly aided Greece? Zippo. So the net increase in money outflows from the US because of the Greek debt crisis amounts to $0.00 (zip point shit dollars).

Here's a breakdown (as of last week) of who Greece owes what (this is what they owe, not what they've been paid... they've been paid E$43 billion by the IMF).

So yeah, as I said, this is like blaming me for Purdue football.

Well, I mean Purdue football has progressively gotten worse since you started posting on this website.

 

[qazplm]

WTF does Obama have to do with Greece and their bailout? I mean I can at least loosely see levying criticism at Obama for all that other stuff (very loosely in some cases), but Greece? Nah. That's akin to blaming me for Purdue football.

Just like you can milk anything with nipples, you can blame Obama for anything.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

You're mistaken. Greece has received less than $50 billion total in bailout money from the IMF, and the US makes up ~17% of the IMF's funding. So at most, it's still less than $10billion from the US which is not only a drop in the bucket compared to direct aid the US gives countries, it's far, far less than most every major Eurozone country has provided for their bailout. Here's a breakdown (as of last week) of who Greece owes what (this is what they owe, not what they've been paid... they've been paid E$43 billion by the IMF).

So yeah, as I said, this is like blaming me for Purdue football.

Don't forget there's a third bailout because the funds from the previous 2 bailouts have expired . Oh, and their public debt is still >300B Euro, and they are behind on the IMF repayment...so ya I'm sure this will all be over soon, but let's keep pumping money into the criminal bankers fund. This is truly the new world order if there ever was one. But as to why I attribute a fair portion of it to BO.
From WSJ 2009 - "The International Monetary Fund (IMF) deserves credit, figuratively speaking, for cleverly manipulating the financial troubles of emerging and low-income nations to procure a fresh infusion of capital for itself. But its tactics at this month's G-20 summit in London -- where President Barack Obama signed off on tripling the IMF's lending resources -- should not hoodwink anyone, least of all American taxpayers who pay the largest share of IMF expenses."

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Don't forget there's a third bailout because the funds from the previous 2 bailouts have expired . Oh, and their public debt is still >300B Euro, and they are behind on the IMF repayment...so ya I'm sure this will all be over soon, but let's keep pumping money into the criminal bankers fund. This is truly the new world order if there ever was one. But as to why I attribute a fair portion of it to BO.
From WSJ 2009 - "The International Monetary Fund (IMF) deserves credit, figuratively speaking, for cleverly manipulating the financial troubles of emerging and low-income nations to procure a fresh infusion of capital for itself. But its tactics at this month's G-20 summit in London -- where President Barack Obama signed off on tripling the IMF's lending resources -- should not hoodwink anyone, least of all American taxpayers who pay the largest share of IMF expenses."

None of which lends any credence to what you said. The US hasn't provided any new money to the IMF nor to support Greece directly, and the total doesn't even approach $100 billion... in fact it's closer to $10 billion. We were giving money to the IMF well before Obama was president, and neither Congress (which actually earmarks the money) nor Obama have authorized any further money to bail out Greece. We're just doing what we always do with the IMF, and the IMF is voting to give money to Greece. So again, the United States has provided precisely ZERO additional taxpayer money in order to bail out Greece than they would be providing the IMF if Greece were not in a debt crisis.

In addition, the statement "least of all the American taxpayers who pay the largest share of IMF expenses" isn't exactly supporting your case. US taxpayers provide 17% of IMF funding, which presently stands at a total of $740 billion. So yes, US taxpayers provide more money than anyone else in the world to the IMF to the tune of roughly $100 billion per year - as they do every year - (because we are the richest nation in the world by GDP, avg income, etc. etc. etc.), but they do not provide a majority of it... not even close.

Now, if you have beef with US participation in the IMF, you should probably take it up with Harry Truman...

So I don't expect that any of this will sink in with you at all, as even when staring in the face of overwhelming facts to the contrary, you always respond with nonsense and name calling, but it's pretty plainly clear that you don't know what you're talking about in this case. Again.

Obama bad!

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Well, I mean Purdue football has progressively gotten worse since you started posting on this website.

FACT! Correlation is always causation... at least I think that's how that saying goes.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

None of which lends any credence to what you said. The US hasn't provided any new money to the IMF nor to support Greece directly, and the total doesn't even approach $100 billion... in fact it's closer to $10 billion. We were giving money to the IMF well before Obama was president, and neither Congress (which actually earmarks the money) nor Obama have authorized any further money to bail out Greece. We're just doing what we always do with the IMF, and the IMF is voting to give money to Greece. So again, the United States has provided precisely ZERO additional taxpayer money in order to bail out Greece than they would be providing the IMF if Greece were not in a debt crisis.

In addition, the statement "least of all the American taxpayers who pay the largest share of IMF expenses" isn't exactly supporting your case. US taxpayers provide 17% of IMF funding, which presently stands at a total of $740 billion. So yes, US taxpayers provide more money than anyone else in the world to the IMF to the tune of roughly $100 billion per year - as they do every year - (because we are the richest nation in the world by GDP, avg income, etc. etc. etc.), but they do not provide a majority of it... not even close.

Now, if you have beef with US participation in the IMF, you should probably take it up with Harry Truman...

So I don't expect that any of this will sink in with you at all, as even when staring in the face of overwhelming facts to the contrary, you always respond with nonsense and name calling, but it's pretty plainly clear that you don't know what you're talking about in this case. Again.

Obama bad!

I don't always respond with nonsense and name calling. That's qaz. You are right that the 100B was not all to greece, but we still give out 100B. However, BO did triple our requirement to the IMF fund during the worst year of the recession! Was that a prudent thing to do? And yes, US tax payers "pay the largest share" by percentage compared to other countries. This is indisputable. We are not the richest nation in the world unless you just ignore 19T of debt! Yes I hate the IMF, though it's not Truman's fault. They were a much different organization in the past. Now it's just a slush fund for elite bankers across the world to pass off their risk to the taxpayers of other countries while they sit on a mountain of gold that they basically stole from poor countries they are supposedly helping.

Now if you're going to act like qaz, I will gladly treat you like him. drumpf racist obama fone derrrrrrrrr

 

[gr8indoorsman]

I don't always respond with nonsense and name calling. That's qaz. You are right that the 100B was not all to greece, but we still give out 100B. However, BO did triple our requirement to the IMF fund during the worst year of the recession! Was that a prudent thing to do? And yes, US tax payers "pay the largest share" by percentage compared to other countries. This is indisputable. We are not the richest nation in the world unless you just ignore 19T of debt! Yes I hate the IMF, though it's not Truman's fault. They were a much different organization in the past. Now it's just a slush fund for elite bankers across the world to pass off their risk to the taxpayers of other countries while they sit on a mountain of gold that they basically stole from poor countries they are supposedly helping.

Now if you're going to act like qaz, I will gladly treat you like him. drumpf racist obama fone derrrrrrrrr

Nah, you got called out on your misstatements and at least you've acknowledged that some of them were wrong. I'm satisfied with that.

Given that the US has not earmarked a single dollar directly to the Greeks, nor did the $100B committment have anything to do directly or indirectly with the Greek crisis, I declare you claim to be FALSE and request that you remove it from your original post. Maybe I'll submit this to factcheck.org.

We've never paid the $100B (which was in 2010, not the worst year of the recession BTW), for what that's worth. We committed but never paid. There are good political reasons for being the largest individual contributor to that organization in the influence it gives us, so continuing to be involved is not a bad thing.

Debt. Yes yes. Government runs just like your house. The US is the wealthiest country in the world and creates more wealth than any other country in the world, and that's by every measure that actually matters (i.e. not government debt).

 

[qazplm]

I don't always respond with nonsense and name calling. That's qaz. You are right that the 100B was not all to greece, but we still give out 100B. However, BO did triple our requirement to the IMF fund during the worst year of the recession! Was that a prudent thing to do? And yes, US tax payers "pay the largest share" by percentage compared to other countries. This is indisputable. We are not the richest nation in the world unless you just ignore 19T of debt! Yes I hate the IMF, though it's not Truman's fault. They were a much different organization in the past. Now it's just a slush fund for elite bankers across the world to pass off their risk to the taxpayers of other countries while they sit on a mountain of gold that they basically stole from poor countries they are supposedly helping.

Now if you're going to act like qaz, I will gladly treat you like him. drumpf racist obama fone derrrrrrrrr

lol it's like your mirrors don't actually reflect in your house or something.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Nah, you got called out on your misstatements and at least you've acknowledged that some of them were wrong. I'm satisfied with that.

Given that the US has not earmarked a single dollar directly to the Greeks, nor did the $100B committment have anything to do directly or indirectly with the Greek crisis, I declare you claim to be FALSE and request that you remove it from your original post. Maybe I'll submit this to factcheck.org.

We've never paid the $100B (which was in 2010, not the worst year of the recession BTW), for what that's worth. We committed but never paid. There are good political reasons for being the largest individual contributor to that organization in the influence it gives us, so continuing to be involved is not a bad thing.

Debt. Yes yes. Government runs just like your house. The US is the wealthiest country in the world and creates more wealth than any other country in the world, and that's by every measure that actually matters (i.e. not government debt).

There are no real reasons to fund the IMF. It should have ended with Bretton Woods (its "reason" for existence). It is certainly, at a bare minimum, an indirect way to assert influence in places like Greece and Crimea. And no, no my debt is all collateralized and certainly nowhere near 6:1 debt to income ratio. I also accomplished that without printing my own money or keeping the interest rates in the toilet or selling 12% of my debt off to china and japan. The US isn't borrowing against durable goods. So no, not just like my house. Also China surpassed the US a couple of years ago in PPP and they are starting their own world bank and IMF competitors. They are also not in 19T of debt. As far as "never paying" that's not quite true. Congress has been bickering over the 2010 changes and finally decided to implement them in the 2016 appropriations bill. So there's money for it now.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Right, my point was that government debt does NOT function like your household debt, nor should it nor will it ever.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Right, my point was that government debt does NOT function like your household debt, nor should it nor will it ever.

my sarcasm meter was broken