Your fixation on the southern border is 100% based on being in RW bubble. Nobody, and I f*cking mean nobody, "opened" the border. You are either really gullible, lying, or a combination of both.
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Gee, do you really mean f-ing nobody? Thanks for the laugh.
Are you going to be clever and play semantics with the word "open"?
Biden said in the 2020 pres campaign they should "surge" to the border and they did. And now Trump is working to remove them, as he said he would in his campaign.
Not feeling real liberated right now. The fact that a Republican President is leading a tariff agenda has to make Ronald Reagan roll over in his grave right now, will Republicans with a spine let their true feelings be known over this? Between this and prices on necessities rising shortly this is a disaster in waiting. Trump was doing a nice job on many things than he decides to go off the rails, I see he’s in the links again, I hope someone talks some sense to him. If Biden did this on tariffs R’s would be out of their minds!
I ask both of you, what do you think the goal of this is and how will we know if it has been met?
The stock market has obviously tanked. You guys both think that is a means to an end I guess. I just want to know what would be a good measure to see if this is a success.
To me, I would look one year from now and see whether the stock market is 7% higher than before this crash and whether inflation is at a stable 1-2%. Does that seem fair? These seem like relatively minimal requirements and represent a stable economy.
We can then look at back at this together and see if these policies are successful. If these are met, then I am fine with the government, otherwise, it is an abject failure.
Yes, I think that would be a very fair analysis. Nonetheless, you failed to name a single automotive component that cannot and is not being manufactured within the US.
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That question is a non-sequitur. The problem is whether the U.S. can by itself manufacture all automotive parts to supply our population without prices going up, not whether we are capable of manufacturing any single part.
I do not think that would be a complete measure of success. I suggest adding in how many inhabited nations agree to drop tariffs against the US versus how many do not, and how many manufacturing facilities break ground or expand in the US versus how many cancel or shut down.
I would have to think about a fair way to measure the two added factors. Any suggestions?
I don’t think those are measures of effectiveness though. They are just a means to getting what I assume the goal to be of lower prices and lower inflation.
Tariffs against the us and the number of manufacturing facilities we have don’t affect American’s every day lives. They just play a factor into pricing. For example, if we bring all manufacturing into the us but it causes all necessary goods to be completely unaffordable, then that’s a bad thing. If manufacturing was abroad and there are high tariffs on the us, but all Americans can easily afford to live a great life, then that’s a good thing. So I say keep that out of it. Only look at things that affect an American citizen’s life in lower prices and inflation.
It's not semantics, it's reality and a manufactured crisis.
Are you sticking to your believe that the prices of all goods will skyrocket (if I understood you correctly)?
We will be able to measure that one much sooner than a year, once you define skyrocket.
Nope nothing to do with my belief. Just saying the number of manufacturing plants in the us in no way matters for this. All that matters is whether is positively or negatively affects Americans.
Skyrocketing costs of all goods will negatively affect Americans. How soon are you expecting the skyrocketing to commence?
Im just saying. Let’s look at prices and inflation in a year. I set the boundaries. As of right now, the near term damage is so high that I want to make it fair for you by setting it at a year.
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The absolute blood bath in the stock market with our president remaining silent is so loud.
Plays golf.
Declined to attend the funeral of the four who died in Lithuania.
Trump fiddles while Rome burns.
Who do you think owns over 90% of stock in the US?
Dems used to want to hammer the rich. Now you are crying for them - because that is what the dem party has become.
Why would Chump go to the funeral of non-heroes? He has no empathy for anyone.
Lol wut. Plenty of the middle class relies on their 401k for retirement.
The bottom half own 1% of total stock, which is nothing. Are you worried about their retirement?
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Okay snowflake.
You apparently think that because rich people own most of the equities that a stock market crash won’t affect everyone.
That’s your Trumpy myopic take. Gotcha.
Can someone on the forum translate this from woke gibberish to English?
Where's Bob when we need him?
It is not a big deal for the bottom 50%, nor for the top 20%, nor I would bet for most of the rest who have retirement funds in stocks. The market has dropped this much before.
Do you expect it to never go back up? If so, have you rushed to get your money out of the market?
This is a fair point.
I do expect it to go back up. Put more into the market on Friday.
But if our supply chains get crushed because component goods from places like China skyrocket that will create inflation.
Nope. My personal investing rule is to never to react to anything regardless of what is happening, and I won't change that.
And you're absolutely right. If I were a Republican, I would definitely keep taking steps to make the market drop without indicating a path to make it go up. I even saw one MAGA commentator discuss how people shouldn't care because they are just losing ones and zeros. It's a good platform. And I think you will win a lot of elections with it.
And you're absolutely wrong that is what I said - not that you would be concerned with accuracy.
Are you related to katjm23?
You said "It is not a big deal for the bottom 50%, nor for the top 20%, nor I would bet for most of the rest who have retirement funds in stocks. The market has dropped this much before."
From that, you are inferring it is good or at least doesn't matter because it only hurts a small number of people. I think that's what you are arguing at least. If not, please explain.
I inferred it doesn't truly matter to most people - but does give katjm and other TDS hysterics a nice opp for unhinged ranting.
I did not say or infer, per you words: "If I were a Republican, I would definitely keep taking steps to make the market drop without indicating a path to make it go up."
I'll admit I'm confused. Why are you saying it doesn't truly matter to most people? Is that not an argument saying that drops in the stock market are okay? That does seem to be Republican position right now.
we don't want to hammer the rich. I am not interested in hurting people. I just want them to take some of the wealth they have obtained in the our society and use it support the welfare of our society.
I am not a conservative. I get no joy from seeing anyone hurt, Taxing the super rich is not harting them in any material sense. I have been poor and and now have a decent income. Despite paying a much much higher tax rate now, it still hurt a lot less than days I couldn't even afford car insurance, and a parking ticket was such headache.
Not if but when supply chains get crushed. It's going to be a real pain to automate these factories Trump wants to build when PLCs, servos, and robots have insane lead times.
You are completely clueless, dude. Thousands and thousands of people have 401(k)s tied to the stock market. Are you seriously this stupid? That's rhetorical - I know the answer already.
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