Train Wreck. Clown Show.
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I warned you, katBMW. The GOAT will not take his loss of stature sitting down.
And others are coming at you to displace you as well.
Heavy is the crown, @Katscratch .
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Chasing perfection may only result in excellence or just very good...or just good. What we know is that it will be much better than the alternative Kamala and Biden. It already has accomplished much more and so I'm looking for improvement in numbers unaware of a reasonable magnitude, but believe the direction will be fine. You realize all the people that had a chance to correct the trade and defense, but didn't even attempt it?
Now the media tells you that product moving takes three years. Well, there is product that could take that long...under certain conditions, but most won't. First, not every company needs a new facility. They may want that for tax considerations, but there are many facilities that may have a big enough footprint for several companies and then it is all about the grid, heat and plumbing. I suspect the mechanical side particularly if it is a complete assembly could take longer than the electrical side. Castings we used would take maybe 10-12 weeks if cut in the USA where as China took 6-8 weeks. Certainly much larger and more complex castings would take more weeks. Plastic molding tools would take about 12 weeks. Presses for castings and molding would need shipped and that would take a few more weeks, but many products would be under the same ISO requirements whether commercial or auto as they were in say China. All the process steps, checks and flow and set ups would be used in the same equipment that was located in China. N ow tooling costs would be higher in the USA if no change in the projected tariffs for future tools. What I can't tell you is the supply chain as that is a function of any dominance of the material. Moving product inside a given company is a lot less risky than moving it to another company. I've done both hundreds of times. I realize my world is small compared to all the possible product, but there would be a lot of product of similar nature.
Now a semiconductor moving from Thailand could take three years. Thankfully, that has already been started and I believe Purdue has something in it...not moving the product but a new facility in ARizona??? However, there is still use for old technology in some applications that could be fired up rather quickly, but the wafer size might be around 6...maybe 8 inches instead of maybe 12 or so and the 12 already has 2 1/4 times the area of the 8" diameter and so you can see cost being half as much.... What we are witnessing is a HUGE undertaking because it has been ignored for so long. What Trump is doing is the right thing...how much tariffs are lowered for he USA will not be known for some time, but the direction is known today and it is going down the right path.
There is a lot of paralysis to change in big corporations...even in things that don't require retooling and such...and some people promoted by Murphy's Law. When we would requalify a product for approval the sample size was insufficient to provide the security believed by those without a background in statistics for the parts per million defects sought. Course anytime you try to predict with qualitative data rather than quantitative data your sample size must be thousands of times larger since you have no measure other than good or bad. Still GM did what they have done for years...and no doubt have cost themselves. Same thing with say capacitors. A machine produced an average value and sorted at the 5% or such from each distribution. Parts 5% out went into commercial product where automotive paid extra for the more nominal values. Think a commercial product could be tested to see the effect...nah because if it didn't see a difference some manager would have to make a real decision. I could list a lot of other things that companies were stupid on...mostly because they didn't want the risk and didn't understand the numbers and chose to be safe. Here is one. In Twinsburg Ohio, there is a rubber molder and one of the products they made was a rubber seal for the MAP sensor .
This rubber part shown below is bought from China. It is subsidized by the CCP. Work was put in to make it in Twinsburg, but they couldn't buy the material for the produced product from some company that started with R in China...too long ago to remember. The failure rate was high due to the mold construction needed to produce those little seals. Twinsburg worked with engineering and developed a slightly different profile that reduced scrap and that profile was heavily tested, but even in the success GM didn't want to change anything. Remember those cars with slides you would move from left to right or heat to defrost and such. Well that was one of the first things I noticed when coming from TEst & Development in Chrysler. There was linear motion to cause rotation in all these air controls produced for YEARS and none were rack & pinion...or just rotational (Marketing would never do I was told) turning of the knob...which opened and closed vacuum ports on a "Stator" produced in that same Twinsburg facility. Anyhow large corporations whether the government of another business company has a lot of waste and incompetence at many levels, but if faced with some pressure to perform it can be done.
I like the approach. I like the initial results. Time will tell how successful it is...
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It’s safe to say that for the ultimate in passive-aggressive, nonsensical, sycophantic, logic-defying, dysfunctional and dystopian message posting, no one is in your league.
Logic-defying is particularly funny, katBeamer, since it was your "logical progression" of BMW moving its SC plant to Canada that earned you the crown.
That statement was truly a feat of unprecedented stupidity on this forum. Don't be modest about it. You slayed the GOAT.
Sigh.
You go on being you. And you always hold true to this form; I assume in your not-anonymous life too.
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