Too young?

[Ihaveswag29]

Purdue appears to be very young this year compared to other top teams, only having one senior and no Covid year guys. In comparison, Alabama has 4 guys taking their Covid year. A lot of other highly ranked schools have Covid year guys as well. Any thoughts on how that will impact us? Seems to be a huge negative for Purdue this year, but also should help Purdue greatly the following the year if they can manage to stay together. A lot of the teams will be hit pretty hard after relying on so many fifth year guys this year while Purdue basically just gets a year older.

Predicting Purdue will be competitive this year but back in the mix the following year.

Also, a toast to only having one more year of Covid players.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Purdue appears to be very young this year compared to other top teams, only having one senior and no Covid year guys. In comparison, Alabama has 4 guys taking their Covid year. A lot of other highly ranked schools have Covid year guys as well. Any thoughts on how that will impact us? Seems to be a huge negative for Purdue this year, but also should help Purdue greatly the following the year if they can manage to stay together. A lot of the teams will be hit pretty hard after relying on so many fifth year guys this year while Purdue basically just gets a year older.

Predicting Purdue will be competitive this year but back in the mix the following year.

Also, a toast to only having one more year of Covid players.

Braden Smith.
He is an experienced All B10 Jr now. He will make the young guys that get minutes look older in a hurry.

Physicality
It was reported @ least 4 returnees are in the weight room heavy this summer. Some who were plenty physical already.

TKR
Possibly could be 1st or 2nd team All B10. He is a crafty undersized post who always showed he can score in bunches.

Frosh
2 of these guys, Jacobson & Catchings have the potential to push for B10 FOY. Might be someone else, as the B10 has some great guys coming in, but these two have serious potential.

Harris
The frosh I am most excited about. The Genes. Smith can take more breaks now and won't have to log 35-38 minutes, with availability of Harris & Cox.

Size
Besides TKR & Furst, Purdue has two 7+ footers that Purdue's coaching staff knows how to use.

 

[POTFHBTFU]

Purdue appears to be very young this year compared to other top teams, only having one senior and no Covid year guys. In comparison, Alabama has 4 guys taking their Covid year. A lot of other highly ranked schools have Covid year guys as well. Any thoughts on how that will impact us? Seems to be a huge negative for Purdue this year, but also should help Purdue greatly the following the year if they can manage to stay together. A lot of the teams will be hit pretty hard after relying on so many fifth year guys this year while Purdue basically just gets a year older.

Predicting Purdue will be competitive this year but back in the mix the following year.

Also, a toast to only having one more year of Covid players.

No. We are playing through Braden Smith who is a third year starter for us and Loyer will be a third year starter. TKR has 3 years with us as well. We have a lot of experience even without “senior” after their names.

How many teams in the ncaa have 220 combined starts on that team returning?

 

[BoilerDaddy]

It’s a very young team, but very experienced in terms of guys playing together. I expect this team to be competing for the Big Ten title again with a great shot at the Sweet 16 or further.

If this group stays together, 25-26 should be special.

 

[qazplm]

It's a mix of experience and youthful talent.

Getting Colvin and Heide minutes last season helped a lot. Both could start at some point. Obviously we have three juniors in Smith, Loyer and TKR.

So that's five relatively experienced guys right there.

Mix in another 3-5 talented frosh and Furst who is a senior and it's a fairly even mix.

I certainly don't expect Final Four from this next season but it's a team that could easily finish low double digits ranked and get a Sweet 16 run. But yeah, it's the following season where one expects a big run with a team filled with Srs Jr's and talented Sophs.

 

[Carlboiler]

I have seen the pictures of myles colvin man that young man looks muscles wise big ass hell man

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

It's a mix of experience and youthful talent.

Getting Colvin and Heide minutes last season helped a lot. Both could start at some point. Obviously we have three juniors in Smith, Loyer and TKR.

So that's five relatively experienced guys right there.

Mix in another 3-5 talented frosh and Furst who is a senior and it's a fairly even mix.

I certainly don't expect Final Four from this next season but it's a team that could easily finish low double digits ranked and get a Sweet 16 run. But yeah, it's the following season where one expects a big run with a team filled with Srs Jr's and talented Sophs.

💯 itd be great if Purdue could get a 3-6 seed in the midwest regional…and get to the S16 in Indy….would be a great Purdue crowd there. And I’ll keep saying it (agreeing with you) it’s all about the following season (if we can keep everyone) with a Midwest regional in Chicago and the F4 in Indy.

 

[Heads up BOILER]

I have seen the pictures of myles colvin man that young man looks muscles wise big ass hell man

Myles appears to be putting in the work and working his ass off. I can’t wait to see the results on the court.

 

[qazplm]

I have seen the pictures of myles colvin man that young man looks muscles wise big ass hell man

I think Loyer is going to have to work his butt off to hold off Colvin. Kid just exudes determination to me.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I think Loyer is going to have to work his butt off to hold off Colvin. Kid just exudes determination to me.

Good, more competition = a better team. Loyers a huge competitor so I’m sure he is and I’m sure he’s heard allllll the noise. Him, Jacobsen and Catchings should be required to eat at every dining hall for each meal to make sure they’re consuming 10k+ calories a day😂

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Good, more competition = a better team. Loyers a huge competitor so I’m sure he is and I’m sure he’s heard allllll the noise. Him, Jacobsen and Catchings should be required to eat at every dining hall for each meal to make sure they’re consuming 10k+ calories a day😂

Hell - give them an all-night pass and hire an extra luncheon lady.

 

[Wolegib]

Age should never be used as an excuse. There have been many players who were only 19 years old and played on Olympic teams and also started and starred in the NBA. Nobody said LeBron or Kobe were too young! The Williams sisters won a lot of grand slams against older, more experienced players! Look at what Smith accomplished as a freshman and what Rondale Moore accomplished on the football field as a freshman. Talent rises to the top!

 

[BoilerAndy]

Seems to be a huge negative for Purdue this year, but also should help Purdue greatly the following the year if they can manage to stay together. A lot of the teams will be hit pretty hard after relying on so many fifth year guys this year while Purdue basically just gets a year older.

Predicting Purdue will be competitive this year but back in the mix the following year.

Also, a toast to only having one more year of Covid players.

This is the key. Schools taking a lot of transfers will spend most of the season getting them to play together as a team. Purdue will be doing the same with the big freshman class. I like Purdue's core group of returnees to blend in the newcomers. And I like the coaching staff that will make it happen.

 

[Heads up BOILER]

I think Loyer is going to have to work his butt off to hold off Colvin. Kid just exudes determination to me.

I think if Colvin and Heide both make the type of jump I anticipate with their athleticism and hops, it’s very likely to come at the expense of Loyers playing time. Especially if Catchings, Harris and Jacobsen are as some are billing them as being ready to play from the get go.

 

[Wolegib]

I think if Colvin and Heide both make the type of jump I anticipate with their athleticism and hops, it’s very likely to come at the expense of Loyers playing time. Especially if Catchings, Harris and Jacobsen are as some are billing them as being ready to play from the get go.

I can agree with this take. I believe Colvin will be competing with Loyer to start rather than starting at the 3 spot.

 

[northside100]

Age should never be used as an excuse. There have been many players who were only 19 years old and played on Olympic teams and also started and starred in the NBA. Nobody said LeBron or Kobe were too young! The Williams sisters won a lot of grand slams against older, more experienced players! Look at what Smith accomplished as a freshman and what Rondale Moore accomplished on the football field as a freshman. Talent rises to the top!

Obviously, Wole neglected to mention Shirley Temple, who was the biggest star in the world when he was in college and she was only five years old. Being young didn't stop her and it shouldn't be an excuse for Purdue!

 

[northside100]

Purdue appears to be very young this year compared to other top teams, only having one senior and no Covid year guys. In comparison, Alabama has 4 guys taking their Covid year. A lot of other highly ranked schools have Covid year guys as well. Any thoughts on how that will impact us? Seems to be a huge negative for Purdue this year, but also should help Purdue greatly the following the year if they can manage to stay together. A lot of the teams will be hit pretty hard after relying on so many fifth year guys this year while Purdue basically just gets a year older.

Predicting Purdue will be competitive this year but back in the mix the following year.

Also, a toast to only having one more year of Covid players.

I think you nailed this. I just noticed that Ryan Kalkbrenner, three-time Big East defensive player of the year is back for a fifth year. Good for guys like Ryan but ridiculous for college basketball. I'm with you, thankful that this is the last year for guys taking a COVID year.

I think Purdue will have a strong season and contend for a Big Ten title, but predict that they lose in the NCAAT to a team employing one or more COVID seniors.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Young?

Perhaps Catchings is our Carmello Anthony? Now that would please me to no end. Highly unlikely, but he sure has potential.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Age should never be used as an excuse. There have been many players who were only 19 years old and played on Olympic teams and also started and starred in the NBA. Nobody said LeBron or Kobe were too young!

Yep, just need to sign a couple of future NBA MVPs - NO EXCUSES !!!!

 

[Carlboiler]

I dont think this team is to young i think they can complete in the big ten and win the big ten purdue might be going 10 deep next year

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Age should never be used as an excuse. There have been many players who were only 19 years old and played on Olympic teams and also started and starred in the NBA. Nobody said LeBron or Kobe were too young! The Williams sisters won a lot of grand slams against older, more experienced players! Look at what Smith accomplished as a freshman and what Rondale Moore accomplished on the football field as a freshman. Talent rises to the top!

You do know those “19 year olds” that can play in the nba or the Williams sisters who were phenomenal at a young age, aren’t the norm right? There’s a reason not many can compete against adults at a professional level at a young age.

The U18 USA men’s team just got handled at euro camp by 22 year olds…which is a 4-5 age gap, but the age difference there shouldn’t matter according to what you said right? Since the 17 year olds should be mature enough and somehow good enough to play guys who have 5 years experience in pro leagues? And therefore ready to play in the nba because there have been a very small sample size of players that were ready to play at that age, Is that correct?

 

[JRKinn]

I think if Colvin and Heide both make the type of jump I anticipate with their athleticism and hops, it’s very likely to come at the expense of Loyers playing time. Especially if Catchings, Harris and Jacobsen are as some are billing them as being ready to play from the get go.

I mean there are like 65-75 starter minutes that moved on (Edey, Gillis, Jones), so there will be enough time for 3 people without cutting into Loyer's playtime at all. If all those guys are good enough to eat Loyers minutes then we will be in a very good position, but Loyer starting alongside Heide, Colvin, Smith, and TKR isn't a bad lineup at all.

 

[*4purdue*]

You do know those “19 year olds” that can play in the nba or the Williams sisters who were phenomenal at a young age, aren’t the norm right? There’s a reason not many can compete against adults at a professional level at a young age.

The U18 USA men’s team just got handled at euro camp by 22 year olds…which is a 4-5 age gap, but the age difference there shouldn’t matter according to what you said right? Since the 17 year olds should be mature enough and somehow good enough to play guys who have 5 years experience in pro leagues? And therefore ready to play in the nba because there have been a very small sample size of players that were ready to play at that age, Is that correct?

This team has plenty of experience on it. This won't be a team of completely 18-19 YO's like the US team. I also see alot of teams that are banking on transfers that do have experience, but will need to fit into their new teams system, which doesn't always work.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

This team has plenty of experience on it. This won't be a team of completely 18-19 YO's like the US team. I also see alot of teams that are banking on transfers that do have experience, but will need to fit into their new teams system, which doesn't always work.

Agreed!

Wole just tends to think any 18-19 year old is ready for nba action/pro level since there small sample sizes of 18-19 year olds (who are very good and abnormal) that can compete against grown adults.

 

[Ihaveswag29]

I want to resurrect this thread to hear people’s updated thoughts. I think it can bring hope for next year. I was just looking at Texas AM’s roster. They have 2 juniors and the rest are seniors or covid seniors! Compare that with our roster of three juniors and the rest sophomores/freshman (not counting furs). That’s insane. Painter’s mantra of “get old and stay old” seems to be working against us this year.

 

[typeviic]

Purdue appears to be very young this year compared to other top teams, only having one senior and no Covid year guys. In comparison, Alabama has 4 guys taking their Covid year. A lot of other highly ranked schools have Covid year guys as well. Any thoughts on how that will impact us? Seems to be a huge negative for Purdue this year, but also should help Purdue greatly the following the year if they can manage to stay together. A lot of the teams will be hit pretty hard after relying on so many fifth year guys this year while Purdue basically just gets a year older.

Predicting Purdue will be competitive this year but back in the mix the following year.

Also, a toast to only having one more year of Covid players.

A healthy Jacobsen and another ball handler from the portal, or we will piss away next season.

 

[northside100]

I want to resurrect this thread to hear people’s updated thoughts. I think it can bring hope for next year. I was just looking at Texas AM’s roster. They have 2 juniors and the rest are seniors or covid seniors! Compare that with our roster of three juniors and the rest sophomores/freshman (not counting furs). That’s insane. Painter’s mantra of “get old and stay old” seems to be working against us this year.

That's a valid observation. This team has some very experienced guys but beyond Smith and Loyer, everyone else is either new or in a new role. The question is how much better can they get over the next three months.

 

[Old Gold n Black]

I want to resurrect this thread to hear people’s updated thoughts. I think it can bring hope for next year. I was just looking at Texas AM’s roster. They have 2 juniors and the rest are seniors or covid seniors! Compare that with our roster of three juniors and the rest sophomores/freshman (not counting furs). That’s insane. Painter’s mantra of “get old and stay old” seems to be working against us this year.

Texas A&M having 10 seniors and 3 juniors on their roster is insane. Under normal circumstances we might see a roster like this once in ten years. But these aren't normal times.

Coming up next on our schedule? #2 Auburn and their 10 seniors and 3 juniors. Can't make this stuff up.

 

[Blimpy]

Texas A&M having 10 seniors and 3 juniors on their roster is insane. Under normal circumstances we might see a roster like this once in ten years. But these aren't normal times.

Coming up next on our schedule? #2 Auburn and their 10 seniors and 3 juniors. Can't make this stuff up.

It's a great opportunity for the young boys to learn and move on. We may lose, but it will make us better prepared for the BT. Just look at what Braden did today, led the team in points, assists, rebounds, steals and yes blocked shots! Loyer had a good first half, but Texas A&M took him basically out in the second half. TKR got out played from beginning to the end! He is playing out of position, true 4 not a 5. Berg played OK, he will help in the BT against most lineups, not to many teams like Texas A&M in the BIG. In big games, Colvin has to hit those wide open 3's and Heide needs to pick it up on the offensive end, to take pressure off Braden and Loyer and open up the lane for TKR. I wish Burgess could have got some minutes. Cox played pretty good for a freshman, he seems to be ahead of Harris on the offense end and not to far behind Harris on the defense side. If Braden is going to fill the stat sheet like today, it is a sign of his teammates not stepping up!

 

[qazplm]

It's a great opportunity for the young boys to learn and move on. We may lose, but it will make us better prepared for the BT. Just look at what Braden did today, led the team in points, assists, rebounds, steals and yes blocked shots! Loyer had a good first half, but Texas A&M took him basically out in the second half. TKR got out played from beginning to the end! He is playing out of position, true 4 not a 5. Berg played OK, he will help in the BT against most lineups, not to many teams like Texas A&M in the BIG. In big games, Colvin has to hit those wide open 3's and Heide needs to pick it up on the offensive end, to take pressure off Braden and Loyer and open up the lane for TKR. I wish Burgess could have got some minutes. Cox played pretty good for a freshman, he seems to be ahead of Harris on the offense end and not to far behind Harris on the defense side. If Braden is going to fill the stat sheet like today, it is a sign of his teammates not stepping up!

I don't think either Berg or Furst played ok today.

Berg was very slow again. A lot of plays where his guy quickly went around him to the basket and I don't believe he had a point or rebound. Furst wasn't really any better.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Purdue appears to be very young this year compared to other top teams, only having one senior and no Covid year guys. In comparison, Alabama has 4 guys taking their Covid year. A lot of other highly ranked schools have Covid year guys as well. Any thoughts on how that will impact us? Seems to be a huge negative for Purdue this year, but also should help Purdue greatly the following the year if they can manage to stay together. A lot of the teams will be hit pretty hard after relying on so many fifth year guys this year while Purdue basically just gets a year older.

Predicting Purdue will be competitive this year but back in the mix the following year.

Also, a toast to only having one more year of Covid players.

Yea. We aren’t that good right now. Hope we learn and get better in time for March.

 

[Blimpy]

Yea. We aren’t that good right now. Hope we learn and get better in time for March.

We got beat by a top 15 team that can play with any team in the NCAA. Purdue is a top 20 - 25 team that will play in the tournament. Purdue is a good defensive team, who at the moment need a couple young players to step up on the offensive end. Purdue is very good. Why in the world do fans jump off the cliff when their team lose?? "We aren't that good right now." That statement belongs on the IU forum.

 

[Boiler8285]

I want to resurrect this thread to hear people’s updated thoughts. I think it can bring hope for next year. I was just looking at Texas AM’s roster. They have 2 juniors and the rest are seniors or covid seniors! Compare that with our roster of three juniors and the rest sophomores/freshman (not counting furs). That’s insane. Painter’s mantra of “get old and stay old” seems to be working against us this year.

The problem is that our experience is turning the ball over and can't handle pressure defense. The best teams will always have experienced talent because they just so out and buy 4th or 5th year guys on the open market (portal). We passed on Gillis a COVID guy to go with the experienced players we have. To keep winning big Purdue is going to have to be more active in the portal. Besides DJ, who we hope recovers well, we have no experienced true center returning. TKR is working damn hard but he is not a true 5.

 

[PaBoiler78]

Texas A&M having 10 seniors and 3 juniors on their roster is insane. Under normal circumstances we might see a roster like this once in ten years. But these aren't normal times.

Coming up next on our schedule? #2 Auburn and their 10 seniors and 3 juniors. Can't make this stuff up.

some coaches value experience

 

[Old Gold n Black]

some coaches value experience

No doubt. But 10 seniors is an extraordinary amount of experience.

 

[PaBoiler78]

We got beat by a top 15 team that can play with any team in the NCAA. Purdue is a top 20 - 25 team that will play in the tournament. Purdue is a good defensive team, who at the moment need a couple young players to step up on the offensive end. Purdue is very good. Why in the world do fans jump off the cliff when their team lose?? "We aren't that good right now." That statement belongs on the IU forum.

nobody is jumping off a cliff, I look at it like you got a nice car and then you notice how a couple of things would be an improvement that you overlooked when purchasing it

 

[PaBoiler78]

No doubt. But 10 seniors is an extraordinary amount of experience.

also shows they got guys not looking or alot of PT and scoring but buying into team ball

 

[Old Gold n Black]

I don't think either Berg or Furst played ok today.

Berg was very slow again. A lot of plays where his guy quickly went around him to the basket and I don't believe he had a point or rebound. Furst wasn't really any better.

There was only one play I could remember where Berg got beat on the baseline. Otherwise, I thought he played fine. Certainly wasn't a liability to the degree that Furst was today. Berg's problem is mainly one of anticipation. He's not any slower than Isaac Haas was, as a comparison. Just hasn't had enough PT to really develop his anticipatory skills.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Just wait. With NIL and a spineless NCAA, the next step is unlimited years of eligibility. Guys like Dickerson that couldn't make it in the NBA will be around until their social security kicks in.

 

[qazplm]

There was only one play I could remember where Berg got beat on the baseline. Otherwise, I thought he played fine. Certainly wasn't a liability to the degree that Furst was today. Berg's problem is mainly one of anticipation. He's not any slower than Isaac Haas was, as a comparison. Just hasn't had enough PT to really develop his anticipatory skills.

People think worse of Furst because he's been playing longer and is more naturally talented, so their baseline of what's ok play is higher with him than Berg. I would propose that if you are a 7 footer and don't get a single shot off or a single rebound, you're pretty much a liability out there. And I get it, Furst has seriously regressed.