Today's Scrimmage
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real quick...carsen shot well and was active...looks to be very improved. Haas played his game. Haarms is GOOD or was that game. Certainly can play a four spot...passed it and put it on teh floor acouple fo times. Ewing improved..athletic...spots he could help Wheeler...red shirt? heck of an athlete, but pretty fragile. Cline shot well and extended the D. Love to see Nojel in a 1-4 low as seconds expired...love that set with a guard that can get deep in the closing seconds. Nojel hit one or two from the perimeter. It was really hard trying to watch them while the Rutger game was on with that huge scoreboard. Two biggest impressions...Haarms may be as good as I thought he might be...and Carsen got some defelctions and really shot well when he wasn't floating forward on his shot.
Teaser for Nag...a LOT of 2-3 zone and they were not any good in it!
I’m really looking forward to seeing Haarms play.
That must mean we were good against it though!real quick...carsen shot well and was active...looks to be very improved. Haas played his game. Haarms is GOOD or was that game. Certainly can play a four spot...passed it and put it on teh floor acouple fo times. Ewing improved..athletic...spots he could help Wheeler...red shirt? heck of an athlete, but pretty fragile. Cline shot well and extended the D. Love to see Nojel in a 1-4 low as seconds expired...love that set with a guard that can get deep in the closing seconds. Nojel hit one or two from the perimeter. It was really hard trying to watch them while the Rutger game was on with that huge scoreboard. Two biggest impressions...Haarms may be as good as I thought he might be...and Carsen got some defelctions and really shot well when he wasn't floating forward on his shot.
Teaser for Nag...a LOT of 2-3 zone and they were not any good in it!
ya know...I just finished some mowing and I was just thinking about that. I do think Purdue would be good against a zone, but THAT zone was not real active. "IF" Matt played one with Haas it would have to be a 2-3 and if you had Vince low on shooting side, Haas in the middle, Haarms on rebounding side...with name your guards, but at least one must be able to shoot it and that might make for a good, lengthy zone. I was kinda shocked to see it. Wheeler can help...he made a high flying dunk...but he is so thin. He really needs to work on dribbling the ball, because if he learns to handle it well..probably capable of playing in teh NBA. Right now with very limited viewing he seems to be a catch and shoot player...That must mean we were good against it though!
Thanks for the report. I am really looking forward to seeing Haarms play since it sounds like he's as good as I thought he was as well. In addition to scoring it looked like he did a good job rebounding as well. Nice to see that Eastern was 2/3 from three point range. He'll be virtually unstoppable with a good outside shot. Surprised that the Purdue -rutgers game caused any distraction. It was hard to watch at home and I had no problem leaving the tv coverage of that game in the 3rd quarter to go watch my grandson play soccer.
Towards the last Carsen says they haven't worked on a zone
guess there was a legit reason why they were so bad... https://purdue.rivals.com/news/takeaways-purdue-s-fan-day-scrimmages
I just knew teh Rutger game was crucial for a bowl game and kept thinking any minute teh offense would erupt. I recorded it...but that scoreboard is sooooo clear and huge...it was hard. I noticed Carsen in a dead ball looking at the perimeter scoreboard when the crowd applauded
I appreciate your loyalty, but I'm not one of those who thinks that a token bowl game is significant. Charles D. Hope got fired after going to insignificant bowl games his last two years at Indiana's premier university.
I know exactly where you are...but I'm aware of where the football is and it would help with practice and recruiting...
I think we are going to really like this basketball team though!!
I know exactly where you are too, but I would be happier if we qualified for a token bowl and voted to turn it down because that's not what we're aiming for. No settlers.
going to lose a lot on D and it would give more reps for the others. Today was a VERY frustrating game...it was like losing to Michigan and Wisconsin was a huge mental setback...
Maybe, but Coach Brohm will get it turned around when he gets better players. No offense to any of the current players, I respect anyone who plays for Purdue and gives it his best. I'd love for each of the current players to have a chance to play on a more talented Purdue team - they all deserve that. Regardless, I expect they will be credited as the team that turned Purdue football fortunes around.
I find it interesting that Haarms did not attempt a three point shot in any of the three games. all the scouting reports indicated he would be a big with a perimeter game. I'm not going to criticize his play. I just thought in a scrimmage, he would try to shoot a three.
He had to play the 5 spot all scrimmage. He always went against haas and never played with him. Had Taylor been a go he might have, but he probably will not need to...12 to 15 ft will always be there
If Haarms can hit the midrange jumper with consistency, I like the idea of playing him at the 5 with slashers like CE and Eastern.
On the other hand, I like surrounding Haas with shooters to give him as much space as possible to work.
Yep and if that struggles a solid high low game may be possible at the 4...and look at the height on D. Lots of combinations in this team and two players with unusual skill set for their size in Haarms and Eastern
real quick...carsen shot well and was active...looks to be very improved. Haas played his game. Haarms is GOOD or was that game. Certainly can play a four spot...passed it and put it on teh floor acouple fo times. Ewing improved..athletic...spots he could help Wheeler...red shirt? heck of an athlete, but pretty fragile. Cline shot well and extended the D. Love to see Nojel in a 1-4 low as seconds expired...love that set with a guard that can get deep in the closing seconds. Nojel hit one or two from the perimeter. It was really hard trying to watch them while the Rutger game was on with that huge scoreboard. Two biggest impressions...Haarms may be as good as I thought he might be...and Carsen got some defelctions and really shot well when he wasn't floating forward on his shot.
Teaser for Nag...a LOT of 2-3 zone and they were not any good in it!
Thanks for this. Obviously it's just one scrimmage, but good to hear a few things in particular. Obviously it's hard to tell too much defensively from this sort of thing, but I'll be interested to see how we are from a defensive perspective. Swanigan had some very good defensive attributes, but also had some big liabilities defensively. Hard to rely on freshmen being sound defensively, so I'll be interested to see how we are as a team defensively (obviously our returning perimeter guys are sound).
Let's just say Matt didn't get in the locker room and say great defense. However, this team is skilled and the man D was not horrible inside, but no pressure bringing the ball up and okay pressure once the start of the offense. Man will get better, but was significantly better than the makeshift 2-3 zone. When the games start, Matt will put more pressure into play as he always does. I doubt "D" is the best attribute of this team...which I expect to be O. That is not meant to be taken that they will not be a good defensive team. There are a LOT of ways this team can score...a lot of mismatches can be made. Versatile team that is skilled. This team can get up and down teh court or play in a slugfest game..pound it inside or hit the perimeter shot...and do ALL those things in a single game...
Just looking at box score this is going to be a great offensive team. Continuing the trend from last season and the WUG, if you can shoot close to 50% FG, 40% from 3, and 75% FT as a team you will win a lot of basketball games.
That being said, defense and getting timely stops in close games will be what defines this teams ability to pick up resume non-conference wins, win on the road in the B1G, win a B1G title, and go deep into March.
One interesting thing to watch this year will be to see if guys like Eastern, Haarms, Wheeler, Ewing, Eifert, and hopefully Taylor possibly carve out more minutes for themselves if they learn how to defend and rebound at a high level.
I think the team flexibility in terms of style of play and individual matchups is a huge difference this year compared to last. It is not yet proven, but the possibilities are very exciting. And that is true on both offense and defense. I think the defensive side of the theory is going to prove to be the most critical to success.
my money says man half court, but "if" needed...perhaps zone press. I think once they were in a 1-2-2 press, but it too wasn't good at this time. I just doubt Matt moves far away from the man in the half court...but with these players he could. A better defensive team in theory might be a poorer offensive team in theory based on who are the skilled players
"shot blocking" in my mind usually follows an athletic player. I consider Haarms a skilled big man that has some agility and can move up and down the court well for his length. None of this is to say that a 7'3" person can't block shots, because he will...just due to his height. He is not the athlete AJ or JJ were, but he very easily may end up a very good player for Purdue that has a place in the NBA
Certainly.....and I wouldn't expect to walk away from any scrimmage saying "wow, great defense". It's usually not a takeaway from a scrimmage. I do agree that they have a versatile roster which is good. Last year, there was a certain type of team that was just not good match-up wise for Purdue and you knew it'd be tough. I think there's a bit more flexibility in the front court, if Haarms can continue to develop and if we can keep Taylor healthy.
I think of Taylor (hurt), Wheeler (maybe not ready yet for prime time) and Dowuona (next year) as "natural" shot blockers, whatever that means. Every team will have situations and limits to go with its strengths.
I suspect we'll give other teams' shooters problems, based on our length and defensive experience. But eye-popping swat downs? Maybe not tons.
I suspect we'll give other teams' shooters problems, based on our length and defensive experience. But eye-popping swat downs? Maybe not tons.
As you inferred, there's different types of defenders. AJ/JJ were great shot blockers, but often weren't the best one on one/post-up defenders.
well , in a nonpublic scrimmage I would expect some "wow, great D", but this one was for some fun, no pressure and to just go out and play. That is why some of the shooting stats might be a bit lower in the Big. Still, this team is skilled and other than Carsen hitting some shots that might not be classified as "good shots" the O was pretty good. Yesterday, Purdue could have played like that and beaten a lot of non conference teams...but not ready to beat MSU there, which they will be "ready" and maybe able to do it??????
I have never seen any kind of empirical data listing players on a scale with two endpoints being skill and athleticism. Anecdotally, more often than not players are a blend of these two extremes it always appeared to me. I think it reflects humanity and our desire to do what is easiest for us to be successful. Years ago at Purdue it was somewhat common for 75% of the students to change majors and that was not spread equally between shifting to a harder major or an easier one. It always appeared to me that athletes (more genetic bias) excelled on their athleticism more than on their skill and those less athletic knew they needed to hone their skills to the max to compensate for less athletic ability. If you look at the box score and find teams really good on offensive boards and blocks those teams have some athletic bigs obviously or really played against a brain dead team that generated those data points. Depending on whether a team has athletes and pressures...it may show up in steals as well.
A team that may be very good, but not as athletic will play more positional D and work prior to their person catching the ball for court position and such in the posts...knowing that when the player they are guarding gets the ball...he has an athletic advantage... and so JJ and AJ never always worked as hard as denying the court position prior to their person catching the ball, but rather blocking it later and this led to AJ getting a few more fouls when he was younger it seemed. Offense generally is more skill than athletic. Defense generally is more athletic than skill. Obviously those are not binary data points, but general blends it always appeared to me...
not to insult any that may understand my comments on a 1-4 low above...here in the video of Nojel almost to the end (2:00 minute mark) you can see the four along the baseline. It removes help on top and allows a defender to go one on one deep into the lane...which is probably a nice set for Nojelreal quick...carsen shot well and was active...looks to be very improved. Haas played his game. Haarms is GOOD or was that game. Certainly can play a four spot...passed it and put it on teh floor acouple fo times. Ewing improved..athletic...spots he could help Wheeler...red shirt? heck of an athlete, but pretty fragile. Cline shot well and extended the D. Love to see Nojel in a 1-4 low as seconds expired...love that set with a guard that can get deep in the closing seconds. Nojel hit one or two from the perimeter. It was really hard trying to watch them while the Rutger game was on with that huge scoreboard. Two biggest impressions...Haarms may be as good as I thought he might be...and Carsen got some defelctions and really shot well when he wasn't floating forward on his shot.
Teaser for Nag...a LOT of 2-3 zone and they were not any good in it!
https://purdue.rivals.com/news/goldandblack-com-video-purdue-s-fan-day-scrimmages
no question that this offense will include more than deep post feeds and kick outs for the three ball...due to the players being able to do more than a couple of years ago...
I'll be disappointed if it doesn't. Obviously we still feed Haas but there will now be more than post feeds and kick out jumpers. I want to go to the ISU scrimmage so badly but can't due to a wedding for a distant relative of my wife's I haven't seen in 20 years. They're all Hoosiers also. I must not be living right.
I'm debating. I need to get to Columbus, IN for a couple of days...maybe Sunday and Monday?I'll be disappointed if it doesn't. Obviously we still feed Haas but there will now be more than post feeds and kick out jumpers. I want to go to the ISU scrimmage so badly but can't due to a wedding for a distant relative of my wife's I haven't seen in 20 years. They're all Hoosiers also. I must not be living right.
I'll be disappointed if it doesn't. Obviously we still feed Haas but there will now be more than post feeds and kick out jumpers. I want to go to the ISU scrimmage so badly but can't due to a wedding for a distant relative of my wife's I haven't seen in 20 years. They're all Hoosiers also. I must not be living right.
It would be a darn shame if you suddenly came down with a 24-hour virus, which prevented travelling and being exposed to cell phone "rays." Get your rest and drink plenty of "liquids;" Boilermaker Fever is making the rounds.
"Don't worry, Honey....I'll manage....you go and have a good time, and give my best to the new couple; hope they like the reversible jackets we gottem."
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I know I brought this up before, but it's raining and I'm bored, so I'll ask it again.
For the past year I kept reading articles and reports and posts that said Haarms would be a different type of center. And that he was actually more of a 4, and he had a tremendous outside, perimeter game. and he'd be an outside threat.
yet, when given a chance in a meaningless scrimmage to show all that perimeter offense, he chose to stay closer to the paint and take shots a normal center or power forward would take.
yes, he played center in all three scrimmages against Haas. But I was kind of expecting him to take Haas outside the paint to guard him on the perimeter to see how Haas would do defending an outside shooter.
As these were three separate scrimmages, it would have been fun to also see Haarms paired together with Ewing or Haas, and allow Haarms to be the perimeter power forward, just to see a different wrinkle. it would have been fun to see Haarms guarding V Edwards.
I believe Haarms did great. but I'm a little disappointed in all the articles and posts and scouting reports that said he was going to be a different type of center. The y almost seem to me now as just fake news. And this would have been the perfect time for Haarms to try being that gunner from the perimeter. If not in this game, when?
For the past year I kept reading articles and reports and posts that said Haarms would be a different type of center. And that he was actually more of a 4, and he had a tremendous outside, perimeter game. and he'd be an outside threat.
yet, when given a chance in a meaningless scrimmage to show all that perimeter offense, he chose to stay closer to the paint and take shots a normal center or power forward would take.
yes, he played center in all three scrimmages against Haas. But I was kind of expecting him to take Haas outside the paint to guard him on the perimeter to see how Haas would do defending an outside shooter.
As these were three separate scrimmages, it would have been fun to also see Haarms paired together with Ewing or Haas, and allow Haarms to be the perimeter power forward, just to see a different wrinkle. it would have been fun to see Haarms guarding V Edwards.
I believe Haarms did great. but I'm a little disappointed in all the articles and posts and scouting reports that said he was going to be a different type of center. The y almost seem to me now as just fake news. And this would have been the perfect time for Haarms to try being that gunner from the perimeter. If not in this game, when?
I doubt you saw many articles but there were quite a few posts talking about his three point shooting based on some videos from when he was playing in Europe. The reality is he didn't shoot threes at Sunrise and only attempted 3 the entire AAU season last year.
He's got better range than Haas but I think you'll see him limited to 15 footers this year. With time in the program, he'll stretch that but I'm not sure he'll ever become much of a three point threat.
Ok. I'm fine with him being a center, rather than some 7'3 perimeter shooter. I guess some of the posts here including my own were based on outdated information. I guess he was an outside shooter for one of his Euro teams because they already had an inside presence. but at Purdue, he will be groomed as a center. Although, he could still be paired with Dow next year. He has the quickness to be versatile.
At this point it's not about settling. It's about getting those 15 extra practices. That's basically spring ball. It's a great opportunity to get your back-ups more reps while the starters get their legs back. So they should absolutely accept a Bowl invite if they qualify.
I'm not sure where you differentiate between a traditional 4 (power forward) and a 5. Haarms is a 4 that can play as a 5 if needed, which any traditional 4 could, and for many teams does. Other than dunks off of dumps, Haarms shots were ALL perimeter...or at least seemed that way. A 12 to 15 or 18 foot shot that has a high chance of going in is GREAT for a traditional 4. Although Haarm's shots were baseline...I'm guessing he could be effective on the elbows (around FT line ends) which allows an easy pass down low to Haas AND the spacing that allows a pass behind the three point line.
Haarm's does have a perimeter shot, but let's not confuse that with a 7'3" person needing to shoot behind the arc...as THAT situation would be EXTREMELY rare. That would only be due to needing his D inside and having an inability to make hay inside on offense and/or needed for a final shot in the closing seconds. Haarm's greatest value to this team relative to "skill" is his ability to shoot from the perimeter as well as score inside and the initial appearance that Haarm's can dribble and pass a bit. Haarm's is a skilled player more known for his finesse than his power. Without Taylor playing, Haarms typically went against Haas. Had Taylor guarded Haas...perhaps we would have seen Haarm's play almost exclusively on the perimeter?
Haarm's will be groomed as a basketball player. He will develop an inside and outside game and Matt will never stick him all the time with his back to the goal although there will be times it is needed. Matt knows his basketball.
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