To all of you bashing the administration

[Born Boiler]

The administration generated and pushed through a complete makeover of Mackey and all of its support facilities in a $100-million project, announced in 2007 and completed in 2011, with state-of-the-art, plush and perfect locker rooms, meeting and video rooms with dozens of recliners, player lounges, training and treatment centers, offices, lobbies, VIP lounges and a full-court practice facility. And Mackey itself already was routinely hailed as the league’s best playing venue and atmosphere.

The administration agreed to renegotiate another extension to Painter’s contract, hiking it to over $2.3 million per year, despite the fact he had just agreed to a lesser extension but then immediately threatened a move to Missouri. Additionally, the administration escalated the salaries for all assistants.

In the five seasons since completing those high-priced commitments to basketball -- all by the administration -- none of Painter’s teams has finished higher than a tie for third place in the Big Ten; one finished alone in last; they’ve gone 1-3 in three NCAA tournament appearances, twice collapsing in the first round by blowing sizable final-minute leads against lesser foes; and they’ve had two losing seasons at the same school that set the Big Ten record for consecutive upper-division finishes. They do annually lead the league in strikeouts … on “target” recruits.

Meanwhile, Purdue has lost its fully unique status of holding the most Big Ten basketball championships along with all-time winning records over each and every school in Big Ten basketball history. Both long-time records have been blown in the last five years as well.

Blame the administration? Only for failing to make the original agreed-upon contract stick.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

The administration generated and pushed through a complete makeover of Mackey and all of its support facilities in a $100-million project, announced in 2007 and completed in 2011, with state-of-the-art, plush and perfect locker rooms, meeting and video rooms with dozens of recliners, player lounges, training and treatment centers, offices, lobbies, VIP lounges and a full-court practice facility. And Mackey itself already was routinely hailed as the league’s best playing venue and atmosphere.

The administration agreed to renegotiate another extension to Painter’s contract, hiking it to over $2.3 million per year, despite the fact he had just agreed to a lesser extension but then immediately threatened a move to Missouri. Additionally, the administration escalated the salaries for all assistants.

In the five seasons since completing those high-priced commitments to basketball -- all by the administration -- none of Painter’s teams has finished higher than a tie for third place in the Big Ten; one finished alone in last; they’ve gone 1-3 in three NCAA tournament appearances, twice collapsing in the first round by blowing sizable final-minute leads against lesser foes; and they’ve had two losing seasons at the same school that set the Big Ten record for consecutive upper-division finishes. They do annually lead the league in strikeouts … on “target” recruits.

Meanwhile, Purdue has lost its fully unique status of holding the most Big Ten basketball championships along with all-time winning records over each and every school in Big Ten basketball history. Both long-time records have been blown in the last five years as well.

Blame the administration? Only for failing to make the original agreed-upon contract stick.

Hey, nice post Mr. Cordova!

 

[NashvilleBoiler]

The administration generated and pushed through a complete makeover of Mackey and all of its support facilities in a $100-million project, announced in 2007 and completed in 2011, with state-of-the-art, plush and perfect locker rooms, meeting and video rooms with dozens of recliners, player lounges, training and treatment centers, offices, lobbies, VIP lounges and a full-court practice facility. And Mackey itself already was routinely hailed as the league’s best playing venue and atmosphere.

The administration agreed to renegotiate another extension to Painter’s contract, hiking it to over $2.3 million per year, despite the fact he had just agreed to a lesser extension but then immediately threatened a move to Missouri. Additionally, the administration escalated the salaries for all assistants.

In the five seasons since completing those high-priced commitments to basketball -- all by the administration -- none of Painter’s teams has finished higher than a tie for third place in the Big Ten; one finished alone in last; they’ve gone 1-3 in three NCAA tournament appearances, twice collapsing in the first round by blowing sizable final-minute leads against lesser foes; and they’ve had two losing seasons at the same school that set the Big Ten record for consecutive upper-division finishes. They do annually lead the league in strikeouts … on “target” recruits.

Meanwhile, Purdue has lost its fully unique status of holding the most Big Ten basketball championships along with all-time winning records over each and every school in Big Ten basketball history. Both long-time records have been blown in the last five years as well.

Blame the administration? Only for failing to make the original agreed-upon contract stick.

Boom.

 

[BoiledSteel]

Blame the administration?

Yes, because the issues start with them. End of story. But nice try to deflect anyway after Doug Griffiths owned them with his tweets.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The administration generated and pushed through a complete makeover of Mackey and all of its support facilities in a $100-million project, announced in 2007 and completed in 2011, with state-of-the-art, plush and perfect locker rooms, meeting and video rooms with dozens of recliners, player lounges, training and treatment centers, offices, lobbies, VIP lounges and a full-court practice facility. And Mackey itself already was routinely hailed as the league’s best playing venue and atmosphere.

The administration agreed to renegotiate another extension to Painter’s contract, hiking it to over $2.3 million per year, despite the fact he had just agreed to a lesser extension but then immediately threatened a move to Missouri. Additionally, the administration escalated the salaries for all assistants.

In the five seasons since completing those high-priced commitments to basketball -- all by the administration -- none of Painter’s teams has finished higher than a tie for third place in the Big Ten; one finished alone in last; they’ve gone 1-3 in three NCAA tournament appearances, twice collapsing in the first round by blowing sizable final-minute leads against lesser foes; and they’ve had two losing seasons at the same school that set the Big Ten record for consecutive upper-division finishes. They do annually lead the league in strikeouts … on “target” recruits.

Meanwhile, Purdue has lost its fully unique status of holding the most Big Ten basketball championships along with all-time winning records over each and every school in Big Ten basketball history. Both long-time records have been blown in the last five years as well.

Blame the administration? Only for failing to make the original agreed-upon contract stick.

Wait! You forgot to mention the fleet of whips that Burke and the administration secured for CMP and the staff for recruiting trips...

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Footage of painter's recruiting visit to Gary to see branden Dawson circa 2010

 

[cprh9u]

No one has intelligently refuted the 100 million spent, the assistants raises, the increase for Painter, or the mostly crappy on the court results we have seen since Painter's extension. Not surprising. A lot of accuracy to this post.

 

[nagemj02]

No one has intelligently refuted the 100 million spent, the assistants raises, the increase for Painter, or the mostly crappy on the court results we have seen since Painter's extension. Not surprising. A lot of accuracy to this post.

I wouldn't say mostly crappy, but the last five seasons were definitely not what Painter "promised", as far as how successful the program would be from 2011 and onward.

 

[Inspector100]

No one has intelligently refuted the 100 million spent, the assistants raises, the increase for Painter, or the mostly crappy on the court results we have seen since Painter's extension. Not surprising. A lot of accuracy to this post.

Let's put a little fuel on this fyre.

The $100M was way too late and over the original estimate. The plan was offered at least 5 years prior to acceptance and commitment. It was in the $50M range. Then bad construction and renovation contracts inflated the final total to the $100M number we are being shown. I can think of a lot of good things to do with the extra $50M.

 

[BoiledSteel]

No one has intelligently refuted the 100 million spent, the assistants raises, the increase for Painter, or the mostly crappy on the court results we have seen since Painter's extension. Not surprising. A lot of accuracy to this post.

Actually yes it has been. Go read Doug Griffith's posts because he did an outstanding job of doing just that. If anything, there hasn't been anything that has refuted anything he has brought to light.

You seem to hate Painter just for the sake of hating him because you throw an awful lot of hyperbole and misinformation in regards to him. Did he steal your lunch money or something as a kid?

 

[BoilerBiker]

Our timing is just always terrible it seems.
Late to renovate, and when we do, the performance of the team goes downhill shortly after that.
We have seen that in football, then bball, and baseball

I'm sure behind closed doors, the admin would say in a snarky tone 'see you guys win and perform better with your old facilities. Why waste time and money on constant upgrades'

 

[NCBoiler06]

I love bashing the University of Chi- oops I mean Purdue University administration.

 

[BoilerBiker]

I love bashing the University of Chi- oops I mean Purdue University administration.

It's what they want,
We should just do it and get it over with

 

[cprh9u]

Actually yes it has been. Go read Doug Griffith's posts because he did an outstanding job of doing just that. If anything, there hasn't been anything that has refuted anything he has brought to light.

You seem to hate Painter just for the sake of hating him because you throw an awful lot of hyperbole and misinformation in regards to him. Did he steal your lunch money or something as a kid?

I don't see anything here refuting it. Just jokes. Did a google search on Doug Griffiths and found hammer and rails, which most on here say is a joke. I've rarely read their stuff and I'm not going to now.

Look, however you want to slice it, Painter got a raise, his assistants got a raise, we spent 100 million on facilities and I don't care what anyone says, that is a massive amount of money. Yet, Painter still has no NCAA tourney wins since his last extension 4 or 5 years ago... since he had one of the baby boilers on the team. He is 78-57 since then, which is not very good, and even though we have some talent now, we still have little hope in March as he can't land/develop/keep talented guards. Any guard with talent hasn't developed (Stephens/A Johnson/R Johnson/B Scott, etc.) or has left (see previous list.. it applies 100%).

I don't hate CMP, I just love Purdue basketball and see that he is not doing good things for us. Unless we land some studs in 2017, we will have a decent year in 2016 with maybe 1 NCAA win and finish in the 3-5 range in the B1G, and are very likely to fall off into the bottom half of the B1G starting in 2017 as Painter is dropping the ball on recruiting. And again, not saying he isn't trying... I think he is. He just isn't consistent and all that good at it.

You can love Painter. I love Purdue basketball, and I see the truth... Painter isn't very good for my team.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I don't see anything here refuting it. Just jokes. Did a google search on Doug Griffiths and found hammer and rails, which most on here say is a joke. I've rarely read their stuff and I'm not going to now.

Look, however you want to slice it, Painter got a raise, his assistants got a raise, we spent 100 million on facilities and I don't care what anyone says, that is a massive amount of money. Yet, Painter still has no NCAA tourney wins since his last extension 4 or 5 years ago... since he had one of the baby boilers on the team. He is 78-57 since then, which is not very good, and even though we have some talent now, we still have little hope in March as he can't land/develop/keep talented guards. Any guard with talent hasn't developed (Stephens/A Johnson/R Johnson/B Scott, etc.) or has left (see previous list.. it applies 100%).

I don't hate CMP, I just love Purdue basketball and see that he is not doing good things for us. Unless we land some studs in 2017, we will have a decent year in 2016 with maybe 1 NCAA win and finish in the 3-5 range in the B1G, and are very likely to fall off into the bottom half of the B1G starting in 2017 as Painter is dropping the ball on recruiting. And again, not saying he isn't trying... I think he is. He just isn't consistent and all that good at it.

You can love Painter. I love Purdue basketball, and I see the truth... Painter isn't very good for my team.

Look- I'm by no means a Painter Pom Pom Boy, I have been critical of his many recruiting misses in the last 2 years. But you NEED to read all of Doug Griffiths' tweets, and also the letter from the Former Purdue football player on HNR.

After you do that, ask yourself, what proven P5-type coach is going to want to come work for these clowns? Until we remove and replace the leadership at the very top, we are just putting band aids on bullet holes.

Question is, how do we effect that change at the top?

 

[TC4THREE]

You are aware that Doug Griffiths worked for this site for a long time right? He isn't just some fan boy like the kid that runs H&R.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

You are aware that Doug Griffiths worked for this site for a long time right? He isn't just some fan boy like the kid that runs H&R.

Yeah he basically did Brian's and Stacys jobs by himself, more or less.

 

[BoiledSteel]

I don't see anything here refuting it. Just jokes. Did a google search on Doug Griffiths and found hammer and rails, which most on here say is a joke. I've rarely read their stuff and I'm not going to now.
.

This told me all I needed to see. So it isn't really a matter of things not being refuted, it is you simply ignoring it all to fit your agenda. Got it.

It's okay. You can continue to hate Painter while the rest of us worry about fixing the real issues that are impacting our sports as a whole. Painter isn't perfect but considering what he has to work with, he's doing a stupendous job whether you want to admit it or not.

 

[Boilerkid18]

Random question but why does everyone here talk about someone having an "agenda"? I only see it as an opinion whether it's thought out or not.

 

[BoiledSteel]

Random question but why does everyone here talk about someone having an "agenda"? I only see it as an opinion whether it's thought out or not.

Essentially as it pertains to cp, his "agenda" is to get Painter fired at all costs. Even if it isn't remotely warranted. He claims to "love" Purdue yet ignores everything that is posted that refutes every one of his unfounded posts.

After our last exchange, I decided to put him on ignore. There is nothing new he will add and you can sum up pretty much every post of his like this: "I don't care what you say, fire Painter because I hate him for no real reason!"

 

[mathboy]

The administration generated and pushed through a complete makeover of Mackey and all of its support facilities in a $100-million project, announced in 2007 and completed in 2011, with state-of-the-art, plush and perfect locker rooms, meeting and video rooms with dozens of recliners, player lounges, training and treatment centers, offices, lobbies, VIP lounges and a full-court practice facility. And Mackey itself already was routinely hailed as the league’s best playing venue and atmosphere.

The administration agreed to renegotiate another extension to Painter’s contract, hiking it to over $2.3 million per year, despite the fact he had just agreed to a lesser extension but then immediately threatened a move to Missouri. Additionally, the administration escalated the salaries for all assistants.

In the five seasons since completing those high-priced commitments to basketball -- all by the administration -- none of Painter’s teams has finished higher than a tie for third place in the Big Ten; one finished alone in last; they’ve gone 1-3 in three NCAA tournament appearances, twice collapsing in the first round by blowing sizable final-minute leads against lesser foes; and they’ve had two losing seasons at the same school that set the Big Ten record for consecutive upper-division finishes. They do annually lead the league in strikeouts … on “target” recruits.

Meanwhile, Purdue has lost its fully unique status of holding the most Big Ten basketball championships along with all-time winning records over each and every school in Big Ten basketball history. Both long-time records have been blown in the last five years as well.

Blame the administration? Only for failing to make the original agreed-upon contract stick.

Renovations were too late, too small, and poorly executed when compared to what our BIG competition is doing.

Sorry, but you need to remove your black & gold googles and look around to see the real issues here. Poorly funded recruiting visits or no visits are 100% on the administration. Poor relationships with past players (costing us legacy recruits) - 100% on the administration.

Your long and poorly written tirade is off base and badly over states what has been done in support of our major athletic programs. I ain't buyin' what your selling.

 

[Born Boiler]

Let's put a little fuel on this fyre.

The $100M was way too late and over the original estimate. The plan was offered at least 5 years prior to acceptance and commitment. It was in the $50M range. Then bad construction and renovation contracts inflated the final total to the $100M number we are being shown. I can think of a lot of good things to do with the extra $50M.

Get your facts straight. It was approved in 2007 for $82 million, followed by additions and upgrades.

Way too late? Then how did Keady manage to win three straight Big Tens in the 1990s? Smoke and mirrors?

 

[Born Boiler]

Renovations were too late, too small, and poorly executed when compared to what our BIG competition is doing.

Sorry, but you need to remove your black & gold googles and look around to see the real issues here. Poorly funded recruiting visits or no visits are 100% on the administration. Poor relationships with past players (costing us legacy recruits) - 100% on the administration.

Your long and poorly written tirade is off base and badly over states what has been done in support of our major athletic programs. I ain't buyin' what your selling.

Renovations too late? No such thing. Then you would say they're outdated.

Too small? Three city blocks?

Badly executed? You work for Hunt?

Poorly funded? How did Keady ever win six Big Tens in 25 years?

Poor relationships? Since when is the administration responsible for handling players and recruits? That's all on the coach.

Poorly written? Poor reader.

 

[mathboy]

Renovations too late? No such thing. Then you would say they're outdated.

Too small? Three city blocks?

Badly executed? You work for Hunt?

Poorly funded? How did Keady ever win six Big Tens in 25 years?

Poor relationships? Since when is the administration responsible for handling players and recruits? That's all on the coach.

Poorly written? Poor reader.

Look, I am proud of what we have. It is a very nice facility. Go look at the facilities at MSU, OSU, UM, Iowa. What we just built pulls us even (maybe) with these guys. Of course, their dorms, cafeterias, and support areas are still better.

We should have built facilities that put us ahead of these other schools. We didn't. What we built is very nice, but is not a deal maker with recruits.

It is unclear why you bring Keady into this discussion. The success he had in the 1990's has nothing to do with the current situation. It is now 20 years later, after almost all other BIG schools revamped their facilities. We were way late getting this done. If you want to drag Keady into the discussion, let's talk about the poor recruiting at the end of his tenure. Maybe he was working against poor recruiting budgets and poor facilities too?

Graduate relationships need to be driven by the coach, and the administration. Most schools have an office for this work, and cultivate these assets. Mot us! We just let it hang, hence the comments from Gary Harris' mother.

We have somethings we need to fix. We have a start on them, but we need to recize the job is not done. The money spent on these reniovations is the price of admission, and does not buy us bett

 

[mathboy]

Let's not over sell what we have. The new sports complex is the price of admission, and not any kind of advantage.

Don't know why you would bring Keady's success 20 years ago into this discussion. It doesn't add anything to the issue. Since he won those championships, every BIG school has renovated their facilities. Let's talk about Keady's poor recruiting at the end of his career. Poorly funded recruiting visits, poor facilities comparative to our competition. We should have been investing all along, instead of a knee-jerk quick spend of a few million.

Relationships? Talk to Gary Harris' mother. Our sports administration (not the coaches) has done a weak job communicating and building relationships with our past athletes. Sorry - not the job of the coaches.

 

[vilehoopster]

It's the facilities and the administrations fault why we blew a seven point lead in the last minute against Cincinnati.

Thanks Cordova!

It's the facilities and the administrations fault that we blew that big lead against Arkansas Little Rock. Because I'm sure they have a bigger and better financial commitment to basketball than Purdue.

Thanks Cordova!

It's the facilities and administrations fault that we are unable, year after year, to handle a press or defensive pressure, back to when we blew that lead against Kansas (the year that coulda, shoulda been Painter's Final Four year).

Thanks Cordova!

It's the facilities and administrations fault we lose to Butler every time we play them, even though we have better talent. Yeah, It's the facilities.

Thanks Cordova!

 

[cprh9u]

It's the facilities and the administrations fault why we blew a seven point lead in the last minute against Cincinnati.

Thanks Cordova!

It's the facilities and the administrations fault that we blew that big lead against Arkansas Little Rock. Because I'm sure they have a bigger and better financial commitment to basketball than Purdue.

Thanks Cordova!

It's the facilities and administrations fault that we are unable, year after year, to handle a press or defensive pressure, back to when we blew that lead against Kansas (the year that coulda, shoulda been Painter's Final Four year).

Thanks Cordova!

It's the facilities and administrations fault we lose to Butler every time we play them, even though we have better talent. Yeah, It's the facilities.

Thanks Cordova!

Amen!

 

[TC4THREE]

It's the facilities and administrations fault that we are unable, year after year, to handle a press or defensive pressure, back to when we blew that lead against Kansas (the year that coulda, shoulda been Painter's Final Four year).

We lost to Kansas in 2012 as a 10 seed and we did it with Lewis Jackson on the floor. Can't imagine that you disagreed with Lewis Jackson handling the ball in that scenario but then again I can't imagine you thought we should've gone to the Final Four as a 10 seed either. I think you tell us all a bunch about yourself with this post. Namely that you don't really know what you're talking about so we shouldn't take you very seriously.

 

[TC4THREE]

Amen!

And he agrees. Birds of a feather............

 

[BoiledSteel]

I think you tell us all a bunch about yourself with this post. Namely that you don't really know what you're talking about so we shouldn't take you very seriously.

Exactly right.

 

[mathboy]

It's the facilities and the administrations fault why we blew a seven point lead in the last minute against Cincinnati.

Thanks Cordova!

It's the facilities and the administrations fault that we blew that big lead against Arkansas Little Rock. Because I'm sure they have a bigger and better financial commitment to basketball than Purdue.

Thanks Cordova!

It's the facilities and administrations fault that we are unable, year after year, to handle a press or defensive pressure, back to when we blew that lead against Kansas (the year that coulda, shoulda been Painter's Final Four year).

Thanks Cordova!

It's the facilities and administrations fault we lose to Butler every time we play them, even though we have better talent. Yeah, It's the facilities.

Thanks Cordova!

Don't be so freaking simple.

Let's try just one of these administration support issues.

Suppose the administration had a better relationship with past athletes. We will just change this one thing, in response to your challenge. Okay, now Gary Harris' mom thinks more highly of Purdue and encourages her son to attend Purdue, instead of (in her words) being indifferent.

Gary Harris alone might have changed our basketball fate in 2012-2014 seasons. Add in a G-Rob III and maybe we are a very different team. RJ rides the pine until he can figure how to control his sauce.

Let's try another. Suppose we had more competitive facilities and could have recruited better in 2015. Maybe those players would not have missed the shot at the end of the ALR game in the regulation time? No way to tell, but I can tell this, we are not recruiting at the rate we should, and the administration must share blame. Our staff has to work around poor recruiting budgets, poor salaries, and lesser sports facilities. All these things influence the kids looking to play at Purdue.

 

[cprh9u]

This told me all I needed to see. So it isn't really a matter of things not being refuted, it is you simply ignoring it all to fit your agenda. Got it.

It's okay. You can continue to hate Painter while the rest of us worry about fixing the real issues that are impacting our sports as a whole. Painter isn't perfect but considering what he has to work with, he's doing a stupendous job whether you want to admit it or not.

nah, I'm just not taking the time to look up another site and person and whatever rabbit hole you want me to go down. I don't have time or really care what H+R folks say based on their reputation. Plus if it was that good, I would think you or some other Painter fanboy on here could make some points about the administration besides "it's the administrations fault, not Painters!" but I guess that is expecting too much.

 

[BoilerInChiTown]

Why it is always the other is to blame? Let's talk about how to make Purdue basketball better. I think both sides, the administration and CMP could both improve. Administration: Continue with the increase in recruiting budget, make sure we don't fall behind in updating our facilities and give the program as much support as possible within reasons etc. CMP: Hire someone that could connect with the top recruits and bring them here. Someone with connections, someone that could sell the program. Skills that you are weak on, but are necessary in today's recruiting world. Learn from past mistakes and be a better coach and win some tournament games.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Why it is always the other is to blame? Let's talk about how to make Purdue basketball better. I think both sides, the administration and CMP could both improve. Administration: Continue with the increase in recruiting budget, make sure we don't fall behind in updating our facilities and give the program as much support as possible within reasons etc. CMP: Hire someone that could connect with the top recruits and bring them here. Someone with connections, someone that could sell the program. Skills that you are weak on, but are necessary in today's recruiting world. Learn from past mistakes and be a better coach and win some tournament games.

I agree with this. They can all do better. But the commitment needs to start at the top. Be proactive for once instead of always playing catchup, copying other schools advantages.

Having said that, I would have waited to see more from CMP before giving him a big extension, with a new AD coming aboard.

 

[mathboy]

nah, I'm just not taking the time to look up another site and person and whatever rabbit hole you want me to go down. I don't have time or really care what H+R folks say based on their reputation. Plus if it was that good, I would think you or some other Painter fanboy on here could make some points about the administration besides "it's the administrations fault, not Painters!" but I guess that is expecting too much.

Don't let any facts or inside knowledge get in the way of a good temper tantrum. Germans bombing Pearl Harbor comes to mind.

 

[cprh9u]

Don't let any facts or inside knowledge get in the way of a good temper tantrum. Germans bombing Pearl Harbor comes to mind.

My facts are Painter, 1 co-B1G championship and 2 sweet 16's in 11 years, including no Tourney wins since he held Purdue hostage and got extended, got assistants paid more, and got renovations going some 5 years ago. Painter just landed a 3 star big man which has never worked out well in his tenure (Bade, Tacos, Hale, Lawson, Marcius, Calasan, Reid, etc.). Painter is going to end up with another few down years based on history when you consider the 2016 and 2017 classes collectively, which so far look worse than the 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 classes that sent us to the bottom of the B1G. Your "facts": it's the administrations fault, the renovations were to small, assistants aren't paid well. Talk about a tantrum without any research or facts.

Give me some facts to consider and I will be glad to. Until then, your opinion is pointless.

 

[BoiledSteel]

My facts are Painter, 1 co-B1G championship and 2 sweet 16's in 11 years, including no Tourney wins since he held Purdue hostage and got extended, got assistants paid more, and got renovations going some 5 years ago. Painter just landed a 3 star big man which has never worked out well in his tenure (Bade, Tacos, Hale, Lawson, Marcius, Calasan, Reid, etc.). Painter is going to end up with another few down years based on history when you consider the 2016 and 2017 classes collectively, which so far look worse than the 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 classes that sent us to the bottom of the B1G. Your "facts": it's the administrations fault, the renovations were to small, assistants aren't paid well. Talk about a tantrum without any research or facts.

Give me some facts to consider and I will be glad to. Until then, your opinion is pointless.

See your problem is, facts have been presented to you but you choose to ignore them because of a google search you did. Basically at this point you have zero credibility on here. Maybe even less credibility than kesselwhateverhisnameis.

 

[vilehoopster]

We lost to Kansas in 2012 as a 10 seed and we did it with Lewis Jackson on the floor. Can't imagine that you disagreed with Lewis Jackson handling the ball in that scenario but then again I can't imagine you thought we should've gone to the Final Four as a 10 seed either. I think you tell us all a bunch about yourself with this post. Namely that you don't really know what you're talking about so we shouldn't take you very seriously.

I just saw this reply for the first time last night, so now I can reply.

I'm the one who doesn't know what he's talking about? In a conversation with you, YOU, really? The guy who said without a doubt Mr. Painter will make a Final Four, no doubt. The guy who just this fall listed Purdue's football schedule, talked about how weak it was and that Purdue had "a chance to be in every game" and could win 8 game this year. And you say I don't know what I'm talking about. But let's go on to just this reply. . . .

Your quote is "you thought we should've gone to the Final Four as a 10 seed." You are strongly implying that it's impossible to get to the FF as a 10 seed. Is it really? Wasn't Syracuse a 10-seed just last year. Also, three 11-seeds have made the FF: LSU, George Mason and VCU. Does anyone remember what Big Ten team coached by what coach that 11-seed VCU EMBARRASSED on its way to the Final Four? Can you remember ,TC43, that time a less than 10 seed VCU made it to the FF?

Now back to Purdue losing to Kansas, as I remember it (I might be wrong, but confident here). Purdue up three with under two minutes to go. Does Painter keep trying to score? NO! Let's pull it out and try to piss away the shot clock with two guys trying to trap up top. We don't advance the ball past the free throw line extended, therefore putting no pressure on the D to defend the basket. Let's just keep letting Lewis Jackson keep dribbling the ball 1 against 2. What happens? They steal it and go down and dunk because (as opposed to getting a defensive rebound) when you steal it out top, there is no defense back.

So Painter does the same thing again. They steal it again and score another layup. We're now down one. We don't score. End of season.

If we had won that game, we would (as a 10 seed) been playing North Carolina State the 11-seed. I really, really would have liked our chances in that game. If we beat NC State, we would have played North Caroline to get to the Final Four, a NC team that Kansas beat by 13, 13 points! Now, we can't assume we would have beaten North Carolina, 1-seed, but I would have liked to take our chances there. I would say that our chances in that game were, at worst, 1 in 3.

Painter's inability to understand that you have to threaten to score against pressure defense cost us a coulda, woulda, shoulda chance at a Final Four that year. That Painter didn't get, and STILL DOESN'T GET that you MUST attack pressure defense is his biggest failing as a coach. It has killed us time and time again. Why can't he learn this? I am not exaggerating here: I believe 50% of the high school coaches in Indiana could coach how to handle pressure defense better than Painter.

Yes, I know a little something, a little more than you, about basketball.

 

[Kesselschmiede]

I just saw this reply for the first time last night, so now I can reply.

I'm the one who doesn't know what he's talking about? In a conversation with you, YOU, really? The guy who said without a doubt Mr. Painter will make a Final Four, no doubt. The guy who just this fall listed Purdue's football schedule, talked about how weak it was and that Purdue had "a chance to be in every game" and could win 8 game this year. And you say I don't know what I'm talking about. But let's go on to just this reply. . . .

Your quote is "you thought we should've gone to the Final Four as a 10 seed." You are strongly implying that it's impossible to get to the FF as a 10 seed. Is it really? Wasn't Syracuse a 10-seed just last year. Also, three 11-seeds have made the FF: LSU, George Mason and VCU. Does anyone remember what Big Ten team coached by what coach that 11-seed VCU EMBARRASSED on its way to the Final Four? Can you remember ,TC43, that time a less than 10 seed VCU made it to the FF?

Now back to Purdue losing to Kansas, as I remember it (I might be wrong, but confident here). Purdue up three with under two minutes to go. Does Painter keep trying to score? NO! Let's pull it out and try to piss away the shot clock with two guys trying to trap up top. We don't advance the ball past the free throw line extended, therefore putting no pressure on the D to defend the basket. Let's just keep letting Lewis Jackson keep dribbling the ball 1 against 2. What happens? They steal it and go down and dunk because (as opposed to getting a defensive rebound) when you steal it out top, there is no defense back.

So Painter does the same thing again. They steal it again and score another layup. We're now down one. We don't score. End of season.

If we had won that game, we would (as a 10 seed) been playing North Carolina State the 11-seed. I really, really would have liked our chances in that game. If we beat NC State, we would have played North Caroline to get to the Final Four, a NC team that Kansas beat by 13, 13 points! Now, we can't assume we would have beaten North Carolina, 1-seed, but I would have liked to take our chances there. I would say that our chances in that game were, at worst, 1 in 3.

Painter's inability to understand that you have to threaten to score against pressure defense cost us a coulda, woulda, shoulda chance at a Final Four that year. That Painter didn't get, and STILL DOESN'T GET that you MUST attack pressure defense is his biggest failing as a coach. It has killed us time and time again. Why can't he learn this? I am not exaggerating here: I believe 50% of the high school coaches in Indiana could coach how to handle pressure defense better than Painter.

Yes, I know a little something, a little more than you, about basketball.

Lol.. so many words and all of it BS. Everything you posted in here has been countered and proven baseless time and time again. Seriously, just stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[vilehoopster]

Lol.. so many words and all of it BS. Everything you posted in here has been countered and proven baseless time and time again. Seriously, just stop embarrassing yourself.

You're right: baseless

Syracuse didn't make the FF last year as a 10-seed; I was wrong.

No 11-seeds have ever made a FF, and one didn't embarrass a higher seeded Purdue team on its way to the FF, totally wrong.

We weren't up on Kansas in the last minutes and Painter didn't try to completely let the air out of the ball, and Kansas didn't twice steal it and go down for dunks/ layups. My bad; I was wrong and my points were baseless.

You're correct. When a team is pressuring the offense full-court, they are not in any way weakening their ability to defend the basket. Being spread out all over the court makes it easy to supply weak-side help. Defending the basket area is so easy when pressing, that's why everybody does it. My bad. Baseless again.

You can certainly argue with my last paragraph about high school coaches compared to Painter. But I am pretty confident that I understand pressing defense and what beats it, and I know that just holding the ball out top is exactly what pressure wants.

I'm sorry to insult yours and the board's intelligence with all my baseless points.