This is rude...

[Wolegib]

The last pint hits the nail on the head! It goes both ways! Some players will use any excuse to leave even after signing if abetter offer comes along or if they aren't an instant star! Jeff George comes to mind! Tiller made him a starter as a freshman and it still wasn't good enough! When a coach leaves, rather than following the coach, players just use the departure to become a free agent!

 

[PaBoiler78]

The last pint hits the nail on the head! It goes both ways! Some players will use any excuse to leave even after signing if abetter offer comes along or if they aren't an instant star! Jeff George comes to mind! Tiller made him a starter as a freshman and it still wasn't good enough! When a coach leaves, rather than following the coach, players just use the departure to become a free agent!

Rutgers signed a 4 star QB from IMG Academy who decommitted from the U. Originally, Saquon Barkely committed w/ them a couple of years ago.

 

[bonefish1]

The additional Hillary comment was not necessary! You said you weren't trying to make your post political and then you used another political references part of your apology? I hope you like your choices in life! Live long and prosper!

I wasn't making an apology, I was making an analogy. And, as long as President Trump is overseeing the country and the stock market keeps booming, I will continue to prosper.

 

[bonefish1]

Well, first of all, there is no argument here. Second, both sides (Izzo and Painter) agree on the events that occurred. Your glittering generalization about winning has nothing to do with this. Let's get blunt because nice isn't working here. You made a statement that was a lie about Painter continuing to recruit Biggie after he committed. In other forums you have posted something similar. Stop equivocating and stop stating this lie. You don't have to apologize. Just stop making shit up about something you know nothing about.

Others quote posts from this forum on the national board. "Even Purdue fans think Painter cheats". They are getting this from your lies. stop posting this stuff.

I could give 2 shits about what other fans say about Painter. Sorry if it hurts your delicate sensibilities but it doesn't bother me.
And, I didn't make up a lie, I simply speculated. One can speculate all they want, doesn't mean anything is true, or not true. It's simply an opinion which I have the right to express.
Sort of like Rick Pitino saying publicly that he had no idea of the shady dealings that were going on with his L'ville program. Now, do you believe him because he said it publicly? Or, do you take that with a grain of salt and speculate that he probably did know but under the circumstances, had to say what he has to say when he has to say it?

 

[Wolegib]

I wasn't making an apology, I was making an analogy. And, as long as President Trump is overseeing the country and the stock market keeps booming, I will continue to prosper.[/. And when it suddenly crashes, who are you going to blame? Hillary and her peeps? Like I said, even your apologies about making political posts on a sports forum include political references!

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I wasn't making an apology, I was making an analogy. And, as long as President Trump is overseeing the country and the stock market keeps booming, I will continue to prosper.

I will remind you that any gains economically speaking are largely due to the economic plans and ideas from President Obama. President Trump's first economic year began October 1st, 2017 and I will give credit where it is due from that point on. However, his ideas for healthcare and taxes are incredibly worrisome. His tax plan does little to nothing for anyone in the middle class and below while giving massive tax breaks to the wealthy individuals in our society. I understand that for real growth to occur on a large scale, a frugal government needs to be established and running in the red constantly just isn't a good idea...but I believe a more equitable tax code needs to be established that prevents the wealthiest individuals from stashing hordes of cash away and allows large corporations like Apple, Walmart, and Amazon from paying a fair share in to the economy that helped build their success. The wealthy shouldn't be allowed to use loopholes and other advantageous laws to circumnavigate themselves in to paying a far less equitable tax burden than the middle class.

For example, I am going to owe taxes under Trump's tax plan. As a single father of two children who teaches, what is the expectation for me going forward under the idea that the middle class should bear that burden?

Now, tell me again how this tax plan benefits individuals like myself who are already living paycheck to paycheck while the rich are getting larger tax breaks?

Also, if my assumptions are off base, then I would love to be corrected and learn from some one who is more educated on the principles than I am.

 

[Inspector100]

.............................. Some players will use any excuse to leave even after signing if abetter offer comes along or if they aren't an instant star! Jeff George comes to mind! Tiller made him a starter as a freshman and it still wasn't good enough! ..................................

None of your example is true. Tiller was not the coach when Jeff George showed up. But George went on during his freshman year to do things that destroyed team chemistry and his teammates had a large dislike for him. He would get into fights with his teammates during training table. I lived in the area where George went to high school. I worked at a job with many of his teammates fathers. None of those families had a liking for George and where very happy when he finally left.

So none of your example fits the point you are making. You could do better this and I expect it.

 

[mathboy]

I will remind you that any gains economically speaking are largely due to the economic plans and ideas from President Obama. President Trump's first economic year began October 1st, 2017 and I will give credit where it is due from that point on. However, his ideas for healthcare and taxes are incredibly worrisome. His tax plan does little to nothing for anyone in the middle class and below while giving massive tax breaks to the wealthy individuals in our society. I understand that for real growth to occur on a large scale, a frugal government needs to be established and running in the red constantly just isn't a good idea...but I believe a more equitable tax code needs to be established that prevents the wealthiest individuals from stashing hordes of cash away and allows large corporations like Apple, Walmart, and Amazon from paying a fair share in to the economy that helped build their success. The wealthy shouldn't be allowed to use loopholes and other advantageous laws to circumnavigate themselves in to paying a far less equitable tax burden than the middle class.

For example, I am going to owe taxes under Trump's tax plan. As a single father of two children who teaches, what is the expectation for me going forward under the idea that the middle class should bear that burden?

Now, tell me again how this tax plan benefits individuals like myself who are already living paycheck to paycheck while the rich are getting larger tax breaks?

Also, if my assumptions are off base, then I would love to be corrected and learn from some one who is more educated on the principles than I am.

get this crap off the basketball board. Stop posting this here.

 

[mathboy]

I could give 2 shits about what other fans say about Painter. Sorry if it hurts your delicate sensibilities but it doesn't bother me.
And, I didn't make up a lie, I simply speculated. One can speculate all they want, doesn't mean anything is true, or not true. It's simply an opinion which I have the right to express.
Sort of like Rick Pitino saying publicly that he had no idea of the shady dealings that were going on with his L'ville program. Now, do you believe him because he said it publicly? Or, do you take that with a grain of salt and speculate that he probably did know but under the circumstances, had to say what he has to say when he has to say it?

You are not speculating, or offering an opinion. We know exactly what happened. You are misstating the situation. Your "speculation" is proven as not true. That's called a lie. Stop it.

 

[Wolegib]

George was unhappy at Purdue. He had talent! The coaches allowed him to start as a freshman! The coach that recruited him kept his promise and was loyal to Jeff! Yet Jeff decided to leave! Sure a lot of people disliked Jeff when he was at Purdue. But if he stayed for all 4 years and led us to the Tose Bowl, we would have loved him! George found an excuse to leave and left! While his coaches were loyal to him, he had no loyalty to them, his teammates or Purdue ! Is that a better example of saying sometimes it's the player who breaks the gentlemen' agreement and loyalty? Loyalty should go both ways! If coaches are loyal to you, you should return that loyalty! It doesn't always work out! And I'm seeing a lot more players loyal to self than their team!

 

[bonefish1]

You are not speculating, or offering an opinion. We know exactly what happened. You are misstating the situation. Your "speculation" is proven as not true. That's called a lie. Stop it.

I think you might be suffering a little bit of paranoia. Just because someone speculates on something does not mean it's true.
What you said might be true in terms of how the entire situation played out......or it might not.

 

[Inspector100]

George was unhappy at Purdue. He had talent! The coaches allowed him to start as a freshman! The coach that recruited him kept his promise and was loyal to Jeff! Yet Jeff decided to leave! Sure a lot of people disliked Jeff when he was at Purdue. But if he stayed for all 4 years and led us to the Tose Bowl, we would have loved him! George found an excuse to leave and left! While his coaches were loyal to him, he had no loyalty to them, his teammates or Purdue ! Is that a better example of saying sometimes it's the player who breaks the gentlemen' agreement and loyalty? Loyalty should go both ways! If coaches are loyal to you, you should return that loyalty! It doesn't always work out! And I'm seeing a lot more players loyal to self than their team!

If you got your face smashed in every time you sat down to each some steak, you would be unhappy, too. Woodson was on that team. It was the year that he played all offensive skill positions and his regular defensive position against IU. It was late in the game and George threw and interception that almost got us beat. Woodson blocked a FG attempt and we won. Now there is a guy that is loyal to his coaches and the team. Can't say that for the QB.

Your post of loyalty gets down to one of the oldest human deficiencies since the days of Adam & Eve. Didn't just happen this year.

 

[JHetfield99]

Sweet!!!! Another thread that veered off into politics, we never get those.

 

[nat100]

George was unhappy at Purdue. He had talent! The coaches allowed him to start as a freshman! The coach that recruited him kept his promise and was loyal to Jeff! Yet Jeff decided to leave! Sure a lot of people disliked Jeff when he was at Purdue. But if he stayed for all 4 years and led us to the Tose Bowl, we would have loved him! George found an excuse to leave and left! While his coaches were loyal to him, he had no loyalty to them, his teammates or Purdue ! Is that a better example of saying sometimes it's the player who breaks the gentlemen' agreement and loyalty? Loyalty should go both ways! If coaches are loyal to you, you should return that loyalty! It doesn't always work out! And I'm seeing a lot more players loyal to self than their team!

How quaint. Misstated facts about football as it was 30 years ago.

If this is the type of program you want to follow, the d3 programs might be for you

 

[Wolegib]

How quaint. Misstated facts about football as it was 30 years ago.

If this is the type of program you want to follow, the d3 programs might be for you

it was 30 years ago. Without copy and pasting from some histrorical web site, I believe what I stated is pretty accurate. An I supposed to know every single little detail when bringing up the name of Jeff George? My job title is not Purdue historian, nor do I want that job. Gasp, I got a few details wrong.

A lot of people didn't like Jeff George and made fun of him when his mother came on the field. But, you can't take away the fact he had talent. and if he had stayed at Purdue, I have to believe he would have improved and Purdue's fortunes would have improved as well. and if had led Purdue to the Rose Bowl, all the bad stuff would have been erased and forgotten. Nobody talks about Mark Herrman's underage drinking habits.

From the facts I remember, George left Purdue, he wasn't kicked off or suspended from the team. His departure also left a sour taste in some fan's mouths while others yelled Good Riddance! .Whether he was liked by the players or the fans, the facts remain, he left. and because of the BIG 10 rules in transferring to Illinois, he had to pay his own way. I don't know if his Illinois team mates liked him or not, but he seemed to do ok there, as well as in the pros. to me George is the epitome of a player who has no loyalty to his coach or team. he found an excuse to leave.

 

[jmohlman]

I say the same rule applies. We shouldn't pursue anyone committed and neither should anyone else. I remember what Tiller said in the snake oil salesman comment. I mean, if the player approach us, then naybe. If the player wants to visit other school even after commitment, maybe. But it is disrespectful to offer someone who has just committed to other school even though the player didn't show any interest.

I live in Dayton Ohio. I remember a guy not too long ago who was committed from Trotwood Madison high school named Roy Roundtree. he was as committed as the day is long, Michigan kept pursuing him. The evening before signing day the coaching staff called him to make sure he was still committed and he said 'yes'. The next morning he faxed in his commitment letter to Michigan.