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This is rude...

The BIG 10 used to have a gentlemen's agreement that once a player committed to a school, other schools would no longer recruit or offer that player. that agreement ended when Tressel came to OSU. He didn't care how long or to who a player was committed. If he wanted him, he would continue recruiting him until he signed. and Mich and MSU quickly followed. and this is standard operating procedure in the SEC.

speaking of rude, what's your opinion of flipping committed players? People here seem to believe it's fine and ok to flip a committed WR named Moore from Texas to Purdue, yet it's not ok for USC to try to flip one of our commitments? or, should I ask, was it OK for brohm to steal about 10 players who were committed to WKU last year? how do you think the fans of WKU felt when Purdue stole their best recruits?

So, it's ok when we sign other team's committed players? like Moore. but it s rude when other teams do it to us?
 
It's not like we aren't trying to flip others. The WR that recently decommitted to Rutgers comes to mind.
 
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I say the same rule applies. We shouldn't pursue anyone committed and neither should anyone else. I remember what Tiller said in the snake oil salesman comment. I mean, if the player approach us, then naybe. If the player wants to visit other school even after commitment, maybe. But it is disrespectful to offer someone who has just committed to other school even though the player didn't show any interest.
 
Tiller flipped kids committed to other schools. This is recruiting. If you want to be a big boy program, this is the name of the game
 
I think there is a gentleman's agreement in basketball but football is cut-throat even between B1G coaches.
 
Be happy that our recruiting efforts are paying off and we are already seeing that those Blue Blood schools that use to cherry pick the best that Indiana had to offer just might not be able to do that as often as the once had.
I agree that no school will get rich from IN talent but Purdue at least has to hold serve for a portion of some of the top IN recruits......
 
Basically the real recruiting starts once a kid does verbally commit. Have to recruit your committed kids harder then you do the kids your trying to get to commit until signing day.
 
He picked Purdue over major offers from Alabama, Notre Dame, Michigan State, Michigan, Miami, Penn State and Ohio State.

What makes SC any different?
 
He picked Purdue over major offers from Alabama, Notre Dame, Michigan State, Michigan, Miami, Penn State and Ohio State.

What makes SC any different?
like with our coaches, great getting them but keeping them is another thing.
 
Tiller flipped kids committed to other schools. This is recruiting. If you want to be a big boy program, this is the name of the game

True.

One of the biggest was future NFL'er Dustin Keller, from a MAC school to Purdue of the B1G.

Has it happened to us repeatedly, over the years? Yes.

Do I hate it when it happens to us? Yes.

Should we just roll over and take it? H*ll no. Whether we like it or not, it's the way the recruiting game works today. What will help is the early signing period, but that's only for current Seniors.
 
I say the same rule applies. We shouldn't pursue anyone committed and neither should anyone else. I remember what Tiller said in the snake oil salesman comment. I mean, if the player approach us, then naybe. If the player wants to visit other school even after commitment, maybe. But it is disrespectful to offer someone who has just committed to other school even though the player didn't show any interest.

Give me a break. Do we now need safe spaces for fans and coaches?
Big time college athletics is big boy sports. All that matters is winning. You can't be worried about hurting another coaches feelings by offering a guy who gave a verbal. You don't think Painter kept recruiting Biggie after he committed to MSU?
 
Give me a break. Do we now need safe spaces for fans and coaches?
Big time college athletics is big boy sports. All that matters is winning. You can't be worried about hurting another coaches feelings by offering a guy who gave a verbal. You don't think Painter kept recruiting Biggie after he committed to MSU?
Actually, Painter does stop recruiting when a kid commits. Stop spreading malicious rumors that you have no clue about.
 
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Tiller flipped kids committed to other schools. This is recruiting. If you want to be a big boy program, this is the name of the game
And Tiller got flipped on all the time, like Roundtree. That's why coaches want an early signing period. I would like to see players sign whenever they want to, but also see the schools limited to 8-10 early signs to give lesser schools like Purdue a chance to find gems under the rocks. Next best thing to a draft, I suppose but whenever players have a choice, there will be cheating. What NFL team or its fans ever cheated to get a certain player? Sure, the dumbass Chicago GM traded top draft choices to move up one spot to get Trubisky right after signing Glennon, but that's Browns/Jets stupidity, not cheating.
 
And Tiller got flipped on all the time, like Roundtree. That's why coaches want an early signing period. I would like to see players sign whenever they want to, but also see the schools limited to 8-10 early signs to give lesser schools like Purdue a chance to find gems under the rocks. Next best thing to a draft, I suppose but whenever players have a choice, there will be cheating. What NFL team or its fans ever cheated to get a certain player? Sure, the dumbass Chicago GM traded top draft choices to move up one spot to get Trubisky right after signing Glennon, but that's Browns/Jets stupidity, not cheating.

Kosar to the Browns was always the one I thought was manipulated
 
Actually, Painter does stop recruiting when a kid commits. Stop spreading malicious rumors that you have no clue about.

Yep. I've read this multiple times. Painter was surprised that Caleb de-committed from MSU and called Izzo to talk about it and ask why. It was reported this way in both Purdue and MSU articles.
 
Actually, Painter does stop recruiting when a kid commits. Stop spreading malicious rumors that you have no clue about.
ha ha. Don't be naïve. If you believe that MP totally cut off contact with Biggie and his dad after Biggie committed to MSU, then I have some very rare coins I'll sell you at a great price.
 
"Then, at around 6 p.m., Swanigan unexpectedly announced for MIchigan State.

"I called and talked to Tom Izzo and Michigan State about it and when he called to commit to them, he had no idea," Painter told Dakich. "He didn't think they were involved anymore."

Painter said he did not communicate with Swanigan after his commitment to Michigan State, citing Big Ten rules in the wake of the Eric Gordon recruiting situation. (Gordon initially committed to Illinois, but later rescinded and soon chose Indiana.)"

https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...wanigan-purdue-basketball-recruting/28883117/
 
"Then, at around 6 p.m., Swanigan unexpectedly announced for MIchigan State.

"I called and talked to Tom Izzo and Michigan State about it and when he called to commit to them, he had no idea," Painter told Dakich. "He didn't think they were involved anymore."

Painter said he did not communicate with Swanigan after his commitment to Michigan State, citing Big Ten rules in the wake of the Eric Gordon recruiting situation. (Gordon initially committed to Illinois, but later rescinded and soon chose Indiana.)"

https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...wanigan-purdue-basketball-recruting/28883117/

Yes, and Izzo concurs with this sequence of events. But I guess we're "naive" for believing two respected coaches, one of whom has no reason to lie.
 
Yes, and Izzo concurs with this sequence of events. But I guess we're "naive" for believing two respected coaches, one of whom has no reason to lie.

What do you expect the coaches to say in public? You think they want to make each other look bad?
We all know that Biggie and his dad both said their decision was a 'business decision'. Meaning, 'who will play me at the right position to get me to the NBA the fastest.'
Painter essentially promised Biggie he'd play the 4 while Izzo needed him at the 5, which is not what Biggie would play in the NBA.
I just find it hard to believe that when you come in 2nd place at the time, like Painter did in recruiting Biggie, that you just drop it. Granted, it was a unique situation but also one that would have a big impact on the program if you can get that player.
 
Actually, Painter does stop recruiting when a kid commits. Stop spreading malicious rumors that you have no clue about.
I think Painter does that because he believes he has no chance, and would rather concentrate his time and resources on another prospect.
 
What do you expect the coaches to say in public? You think they want to make each other look bad?
We all know that Biggie and his dad both said their decision was a 'business decision'. Meaning, 'who will play me at the right position to get me to the NBA the fastest.'
Painter essentially promised Biggie he'd play the 4 while Izzo needed him at the 5, which is not what Biggie would play in the NBA.
I just find it hard to believe that when you come in 2nd place at the time, like Painter did in recruiting Biggie, that you just drop it. Granted, it was a unique situation but also one that would have a big impact on the program if you can get that player.
Bony, Bony, Bony, I find Izzo and Painter's documented statements far more credible than you, and your unsubstantiated invented nonsense. Sorry, but that's the truth. I am not at all "naïve" about this. If you want to believe in your jaded and sour world, be my guest, just don't expect me to follow you down that path, at least in this case. I may stand, point and laugh though.
 
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https://247sports.com/Bolt/USC-Trojans-offers-2019-DE-George-Karlaftis-Purdue-commit--109851800

I know this is the reality, but it is still a bit rude to extend an offer to someone who is committed. It's not like we are a MAC school, but I guess that is how the PAC 12 schools look at us.
Everyone is recruiting like this. It was well known in Northwestern circles that Pat Fitzgerald doesn’t recruit kids committed to other programs. Saturday, you’ll see WR Flynn Nagel who Fitz flipped from Duke, RB Jeremy Larkin who officially committed to Cincinatti, and probably a half dozen more. NU fans will excuse this as Fitz is more above board than some of the sleezeballs. For example, Grant Perry flipped from Northwestern to Michigan. That opened up a spot. NUs next choice was Flynn Nagel. According to the stories, Fitz called Duke’s coach to til him he was going to extend an offer. Then he called Nagel to let him know that a scholarship would be available for him, but Fitz wouldn’t start the recruiting process until Flynn called up Dukes coaching staff to inform them he was no longer committed. A few days later he committed to NU where his 2 older brothers played. Compare this to Harbaugh who plans on sleeping over in a kicker’s, who was committed to PSU, bedroom.

Personally, I think there are so many hours in a day. You should spend time recruiting players you have a chance at getting. Showing up late and taking a player from a lesser program is one way to go. Another way is checking in with plan B players that committed somewhere while you were holding out for plan A’s committee to. But if there are two players equal in all ways except one is committed and one is open... I’d go after the open one as you have a better chance.
 
https://247sports.com/Bolt/USC-Trojans-offers-2019-DE-George-Karlaftis-Purdue-commit--109851800

I know this is the reality, but it is still a bit rude to extend an offer to someone who is committed. It's not like we are a MAC school, but I guess that is how the PAC 12 schools look at us.
Simply put, you are not committed until you are signed. Coaches, AD's etc break these "honorable" or "loyalty" "gentlemen's" agreements all the time, especially coaches contracts. Same applies to those recruited. Schools will dangle say #3 tight end hoping and all of a sudden #2 who said they were going to somewhere else is open what do YOU do? Yes, many years ago a handshake was all that was needed. Now you need a 25 page, written doc for everything.
 
That's OK whether you think I'm right or not, I don't really care.
Just curious though, did you also believe Trump would never become president?
I think politics are best left for other boards, at other times. Just saying your opinion flies in the face of the documented events that both parties agreed happened. I don't know why you would take such a stand? Maybe you might rethink your position on Painter at least.

The issue of pouching in football is entirely different, and should be discussed on the football board where those knowledgeable in this subject can contribute.
 
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USC may not be actively trying to flip him with the offer. They may just be letting Karlaftis know they have an offer for him IF he decides to decommit. My guess it is somewhere in the middle of hardcore pursuit and my scenario.
 
McCoy just decommited! Was it his choice or did Brohm break that gentleman's agreement because somebody better came along? The truth will never be known! I bring this up because it works both ways! Sometimes a player leaves a school because he gets a better offer from a bigger and better school. And sometimes a coach finds a better player and he dumps the other player! Purdue is no different or better than other schools!
 
I think politics are best left for other boards, at other times. Just saying your opinion flies in the face of the documented events that both parties agreed happened. I don't know why you would take such a stand? Maybe you might rethink your position on Painter at least.

The issue of pouching in football is entirely different, and should be discussed on the football board where those knowledgeable in this subject can contribute.

The political comment is just an analogy of this situation (and in addition, I loved seeing Hilary lose....)
But the point remains, Don't believe everything your read or hear, particularly when there's only one side of an argument that can be stated publicly.
As for Painter, I think he's a clean coach and runs a clean program, but he's the highest paid employee of the university for one reason: to win basketball games. And, with the most important component to winning being recruiting, well, let's just say everything a coach does is not known by the public.
 
The additional Hillary comment was not necessary! You said you weren't trying to make your post political and then you used another political references part of your apology? I hope you like your choices in life! Live long and prosper!
 
McCoy just decommited! Was it his choice or did Brohm break that gentleman's agreement because somebody better came along? The truth will never be known! I bring this up because it works both ways! Sometimes a player leaves a school because he gets a better offer from a bigger and better school. And sometimes a coach finds a better player and he dumps the other player! Purdue is no different or better than other schools!
And some times a player looks at the commitment they made and believe they may have made a bad decision for themselves. A lot of times guys jump at the P5 offer and don't look back BUT occasionally a kid may reconsider that he may want to have a chance at starting for multiple years and take the G5 offers that are on the table. There are some good players that do that instead....the school I teach at had a kid that went to MTSU and was drawn to the fact that he was a D1 football player. The coaches I know told him it was an incredible honor to get such an offer but that he may be better served to go to Illinois State or Indiana State as an FCS team where he likely may have been a 3 or even 4 year starter.
 
Lol. Welcome to college football.

Exactly. All this hand-wringing over "gentlemens agreements" is pointless.

NOTHING matters until the LOI is received ... heck maybe not even then, given the kids who petition to be released from their LOI.
 
The political comment is just an analogy of this situation (and in addition, I loved seeing Hilary lose....)
But the point remains, Don't believe everything your read or hear, particularly when there's only one side of an argument that can be stated publicly.
As for Painter, I think he's a clean coach and runs a clean program, but he's the highest paid employee of the university for one reason: to win basketball games. And, with the most important component to winning being recruiting, well, let's just say everything a coach does is not known by the public.
Well, first of all, there is no argument here. Second, both sides (Izzo and Painter) agree on the events that occurred. Your glittering generalization about winning has nothing to do with this. Let's get blunt because nice isn't working here. You made a statement that was a lie about Painter continuing to recruit Biggie after he committed. In other forums you have posted something similar. Stop equivocating and stop stating this lie. You don't have to apologize. Just stop making shit up about something you know nothing about.

Others quote posts from this forum on the national board. "Even Purdue fans think Painter cheats". They are getting this from your lies. stop posting this stuff.
 
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