The way out of poverty is through education

[hunkgolden]

So why is the left against school choice, vouchers, and charter schools? Why does the left tell impoverished children looking for a better education that they must remain in schools that have failed so many before them? If the left truly cared about the poor, they would allow these children to go to the school of their choice and have their tax $ follow them. I think we'd see a massive shift in education quality if schools were forced to treat their students/families like customers who have other options for the same services.

 

[TeddyValentineDidNothingWrong]

Private charter schools have proven time and time again to provide worse outcomes for students both in actual quality of education and in post-graduation employment metrics.

Not to mention the many stories of grifter charter schools bilking the taxpaying public for millions: https://fox59.com/news/audit-2-indiana-online-schools-misspent-nearly-86-million/

 

[Hausta01]

Private charter schools have proven time and time again to provide worse outcomes for students both in actual quality of education and in post-graduation employment metrics.

Not to mention the many stories of grifter charter schools bilking the taxpaying public for millions: https://fox59.com/news/audit-2-indiana-online-schools-misspent-nearly-86-million/

By that standard we should also get rid of welfare since it too can be scammed.

Brett Favre repays $600,000 in welfare funds he accepted for speeches he never gave

The NFL legend says he never knew the money he received came from welfare funds. The Mississippi attorney general could still sue Favre if he doesn't pay interest owed on the amount.

www.npr.org

 

[TeddyValentineDidNothingWrong]

By that standard we should also get rid of welfare since it too can be scammed.

Brett Favre repays $600,000 in welfare funds he accepted for speeches he never gave

The NFL legend says he never knew the money he received came from welfare funds. The Mississippi attorney general could still sue Favre if he doesn't pay interest owed on the amount.

www.npr.org

Yeah except welfare is a good thing and keeps people housed and fed. Charter schools suck ass and do worse than public schools at basically everything.

 

[hunkgolden]

Private charter schools have proven time and time again to provide worse outcomes for students both in actual quality of education and in post-graduation employment metrics.

Not to mention the many stories of grifter charter schools bilking the taxpaying public for millions: https://fox59.com/news/audit-2-indiana-online-schools-misspent-nearly-86-million/

Ok - why not give these kids vouchers to go where they can get a better education to lift themselves out of poverty?

 

[Hausta01]

Yeah except welfare is a good thing and keeps people housed and fed. Charter schools suck ass and do worse than public schools at basically everything.

Welfare has destroyed the family structure of low income families, which has in turn made education worse.

 

[TeddyValentineDidNothingWrong]

Welfare has destroyed the family structure of low income families, which has in turn made education worse.

that's a high pitched dog whistle right there

 

[Bruce1]

Private charter schools have proven time and time again to provide worse outcomes for students both in actual quality of education and in post-graduation employment metrics.

Not to mention the many stories of grifter charter schools bilking the taxpaying public for millions: https://fox59.com/news/audit-2-indiana-online-schools-misspent-nearly-86-million/

Teddy, are all charter schools on line schools? I think not, thus your link talking about on line charter school fraud is bogus flaming. . Have you ever seen any audits of public schools?

Fraud and Failure in D.C. Public Schools | National Review

The much-celebrated success of education reform in the nation’s capital turns out to have been a lie.

www.nationalreview.com

finally. Charter schools are superior

Five Reasons Why Independent Charters Outperform In-District Autonomous Schools

Some school districts are attempting to replicate the success of public charters with district-run autonomous schools. These schools may perform better than traditional public schools, but they seldom perform as well as independent charters. What do charters have that these schools are missing?

www.forbes.com

 

[TeddyValentineDidNothingWrong]

Teddy, are all charter schools on line schools? I think not, thus your link talking about on line charter school fraud is bogus flaming. . Have you ever seen any audits of public schools?

Fraud and Failure in D.C. Public Schools | National Review

The much-celebrated success of education reform in the nation’s capital turns out to have been a lie.

www.nationalreview.com

finally. Charter schools are superior

Five Reasons Why Independent Charters Outperform In-District Autonomous Schools

Some school districts are attempting to replicate the success of public charters with district-run autonomous schools. These schools may perform better than traditional public schools, but they seldom perform as well as independent charters. What do charters have that these schools are missing?

www.forbes.com

Bruce, are all public schools in DC? I think not, thus your link talking about DC public schools is bogus flaming. Have you ever seen any audits of my ass? Because it's worth more than the paid blog you posted from a PPI think tank stooge.

 

[bonefish1]

Yeah except welfare is a good thing and keeps people housed and fed. Charter schools suck ass and do worse than public schools at basically everything.

Welfare keeps people beholden to the govt. It disincentivizes work ethic.

 

[Bruce1]

Bruce, are all public schools in DC? I think not, thus your link talking about DC public schools is bogus flaming. Have you ever seen any audits of my ass? Because it's worth more than the paid blog you posted from a PPI think tank stooge.

there are reports documenting cases all over the country, Teddy. You know that. Are you or your wife teachers, Union leaders, or in other public school related jobs?

where are your comments about the Forbes report? Charter schools are not without issues for sure but claiming falsely that charter schools out perform public schools is bogus. Charter schools happened because public schools failed in educating our kids, plain and simple.

I have a professor friend with Northeastern College in Ill who was lamenting that they had to create a new english course, English 095 specifically for incoming Frosh because they couldn’t even qualify for English 101.

My daughter worked in a community college office that handled student aid applications. She said mothers of students had to come in and fill the applications because their high school grads could even fill out forms with their name, address, and SS #. That’s our public schools, Teddy

A simple search “fraud in public school system”. Turns up hundreds of reports from all over the country about cheating, fraud, and other crimes through our public school system.

Bad education: Why shocking public school corruption remains hidden

Even by Hollywood standards, school district fraud can be dramatic.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[SIBoiler2]

So why is the left against school choice, vouchers, and charter schools? Why does the left tell impoverished children looking for a better education that they must remain in schools that have failed so many before them? If the left truly cared about the poor, they would allow these children to go to the school of their choice and have their tax $ follow them. I think we'd see a massive shift in education quality if schools were forced to treat their students/families like customers who have other options for the same services.

If you educate the public well and allow them to prosper and accumulate wealth they are no longer suitable Democrat controlled voters.

 

[TeddyValentineDidNothingWrong]

If you educate the public well and allow them to prosper and accumulate wealth they are no longer suitable Democrat controlled voters.

Hence why the states with the worst-performing public schools are always in deep red states, right?

 

[SKYDOG]

Hence why the states with the worst-performing public schools are always in deep red states, right?

You mean cities like Chicago and Baltimore? Those are the red states these cities are in which you speak of?

 

[BNIBoiler]

So why is the left against school choice, vouchers, and charter schools? Why does the left tell impoverished children looking for a better education that they must remain in schools that have failed so many before them? If the left truly cared about the poor, they would allow these children to go to the school of their choice and have their tax $ follow them. I think we'd see a massive shift in education quality if schools were forced to treat their students/families like customers who have other options for the same services.

Gary, IN has 3 charter schools and all 3 are jacked up.

 

[BNIBoiler]

there are reports documenting cases all over the country, Teddy. You know that. Are you or your wife teachers, Union leaders, or in other public school related jobs?

where are your comments about the Forbes report? Charter schools are not without issues for sure but claiming falsely that charter schools out perform public schools is bogus. Charter schools happened because public schools failed in educating our kids, plain and simple.

I have a professor friend with Northeastern College in Ill who was lamenting that they had to create a new english course, English 095 specifically for incoming Frosh because they couldn’t even qualify for English 101.

My daughter worked in a community college office that handled student aid applications. She said mothers of students had to come in and fill the applications because their high school grads could even fill out forms with their name, address, and SS #. That’s our public schools, Teddy

A simple search “fraud in public school system”. Turns up hundreds of reports from all over the country about cheating, fraud, and other crimes through our public school system.

Bad education: Why shocking public school corruption remains hidden

Even by Hollywood standards, school district fraud can be dramatic.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

For the most part, the public schools are not the problem per se. There are good teachers even in the inner city public schools. The problem are the kids that attend these schools. A lot of these kids bring the violence from the streets to the schools. Discipline is the main issue that does not translate to a good learning environment.

 

[SKYDOG]

Gary, IN has 3 charter schools and all 3 are jacked up.

Why would that be? They have all black administrators and most if not all black teachers. They also receive the most money per student than most all schools in the state receive.

These Indiana schools will get the most money per student in latest stimulus package

For some Indiana schools, the third federal stimulus package will essentially double their typical annual state funding.

in.chalkbeat.org

 

[Bruce1]

Hence why the states with the worst-performing public schools are always in deep red states, right?

Not Teddy, do you ever check anything out before you post? Nope!

States with the Best & Worst School Systems

wallethub.com

For the most part, the public schools are not the problem per se. There are good teachers even in the inner city public schools. The problem are the kids that attend these schools. A lot of these kids bring the violence from the streets to the schools. Discipline is the main issue that does not translate to a good learning environment.

I totally agree that there are great teachers in virtually all schools. That said, public schools routinely pass kids who cannot to the work where charter schools are not required to do so. If the public schools were doing their job there would be no demand for charter schools

 

[Bruce1]

Gary, IN has 3 charter schools and all 3 are jacked up.

What does that mean?

 

[SKYDOG]

Why would that be? They have all black administrators and most if not all black teachers. They also receive the most money per student than most all schools in the state receive.

These Indiana schools will get the most money per student in latest stimulus package

For some Indiana schools, the third federal stimulus package will essentially double their typical annual state funding.

in.chalkbeat.org

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Waiting for BNIBoiler to respond.

 

[Boilermaker03]

Private charter schools have proven time and time again to provide worse outcomes for students both in actual quality of education and in post-graduation employment metrics.

Not to mention the many stories of grifter charter schools bilking the taxpaying public for millions: https://fox59.com/news/audit-2-indiana-online-schools-misspent-nearly-86-million/

Time and time again? Yes there are some bad eggs, but charter schools on the whole are just as good or better than public schools. You're painting a picture that charter is worse when reality is that they are at worst equal to public schools.

 

[mdthornb]

Welfare keeps people beholden to the govt. It disincentivizes work ethic.

Got proof?

 

[mdthornb]

If you educate the public well and allow them to prosper and accumulate wealth they are no longer suitable Democrat controlled voters.

Is that what the data shows?

 

[bonefish1]

Got proof?

Yeh...I got proof. When I worked on the south side of Chicago, there'd be 10-15 men sitting on milk crates in the parking lot of the liquor store during the middle of the day. They should have been working, but they were using drinking 40s and scatching off lotto tickets.

 

[mdthornb]

Yeh...I got proof. When I worked on the south side of Chicago, there'd be 10-15 men sitting on milk crates in the parking lot of the liquor store during the middle of the day. They should have been working, but they were using drinking 40s and scatching off lotto tickets.

Because of welfare? Maybe they worked nights. Maybe they were criminals and got their money illegally. Maybe somebody in their family supported them. Maybe they were between jobs.


You can justify any belief you want if you use anecdotal evidence.

 

[Level 42]

You can justify any belief you want if you use anecdotal evidence.

That is the mantra of leftists.

 

[mdthornb]

That is the mantra of leftists.

You calling bone a leftist? I see very little data from all the conservatives on here. Maybe it is the mantra of most people.

 

[Level 42]

I see very little data from all the conservatives on here.

Again, you are ignoring the data, huge difference.

 

[bonefish1]

Because of welfare? Maybe they worked nights. Maybe they were criminals and got their money illegally. Maybe somebody in their family supported them. Maybe they were between jobs.


You can justify any belief you want if you use anecdotal evidence.

You can also make any excuse you want for anything you want if it makes you feel better.

 

[mdthornb]

You can also make any excuse you want for anything you want if it makes you feel better.

Not making excuses. Giving you alternative explanations since we do t know the real reason. Also, do you think it is possible that welfare can help people get on their feet so that they can become contributing members to the economy? Shouldnt this be balanced against people abusing the system?

 

[bonefish1]

Not making excuses. Giving you alternative explanations since we do t know the real reason. Also, do you think it is possible that welfare can help people get on their feet so that they can become contributing members to the economy? Shouldnt this be balanced against people abusing the system?

These and other comments tell my you have no experience dealing with the inner city or poverty stricken areas, that most of your "life experience" comes from the media and not your own eyes or personal experiences.

There are generations of families that have relied on welfare. It's the way they're brought up and the way they'll continue to live.

Yes, welfare can help some people and it's abused by others, but there's a huge segment of welfare recipients who have no intention, whatsoever, of ever getting off welfare.

 

[mdthornb]

These and other comments tell my you have no experience dealing with the inner city or poverty stricken areas, that most of your "life experience" comes from the media and not your own eyes or personal experiences.

There are generations of families that have relied on welfare. It's the way they're brought up and the way they'll continue to live.

Yes, welfare can help some people and it's abused by others, but there's a huge segment of welfare recipients who have no intention, whatsoever, of ever getting off welfare.

Does it outweigh the ones it helps? Your own eyes and experiences don’t mean anything for questions like this. Only data does.

 

[bonefish1]

Does it outweigh the ones it helps? Your own eyes and experiences don’t mean anything for questions like this. Only data does.

I'm fine with temporary welfare. But, there needs to be a limit, there needs to be a work requirement and it needs to have an expiration date.
If you're a woman of child bearing age, contraception should also be required if you're going to be on welfare.

 

[guidelinesa2]

So why is the left against school choice, vouchers, and charter schools? Why does the left tell impoverished children looking for a better education that they must remain in schools that have failed so many before them? If the left truly cared about the poor, they would allow these children to go to the school of their choice and have their tax $ follow them. I think we'd see a massive shift in education quality if schools were forced to treat their students/families like customers who have other options for the same services.

The way out of poverty is hard work and individual responsibility, plus marriage.

Get a job. Work hard. Play by the rules. Save your money. Get married. You will be middle class in no time.

 

[TeddyValentineDidNothingWrong]

Time and time again? Yes there are some bad eggs, but charter schools on the whole are just as good or better than public schools. You're painting a picture that charter is worse when reality is that they are at worst equal to public schools.

Actually they aren't.

 

[Boilermaker03]

Actually they aren't.

Mmmmmkay