That’s fine and dandy and I understand all of that. But I’m telling you have to have just cause that an individual has committed a crime or carrying a weapon. The police won’t be able to help themselves. They’ll be stopping folks with no just cause other than being black. Like a lot big cities, there are city colleges, businesses, hospitals in the “hood”. Non-criminals going to these establishments will be stopped and harassed. You can count on it.
C'mon man (in the Biden tone).....You and I could ride down 63rd in Englewood together and point out who looks like a potential hood rat and who isn't. Neither of us, nor the cops, is picking out Auntie coming back from the store with a couple grocery bags. Nor are we picking out the guy in the khakis and polo shirt carrying a computer bag heading to the L.
You still don't get it. These ne'er do well cops, just like they did in NYC will be stopping and harassing blacks dressed in khakis and polo shirts carrying a computer bag heading to the L. Perhaps going to UIC, Chicago State, Olive Harvey College, and others. Perhaps going to visit hospitals like Jackson Park Hospital, Stroger, and others. That is my point in all of this. Some of these folks were stopped multiple times in the 10 or so years of that crap.
Gun violence has been the leading cause of death for black children since 2006. How about that?
So you support "ne'er do well" thugs and gangbangers "right" to carry on as usual. It seems you're more concerned with harassment by cops than you are with the continued piling up of young black bodies.
Stop all the thugs and gangbangers all you want. I don't care. You can pick them out a mile away. I don't like cops stopping and harassing black people minding their own business which was done under stop and harass in NYC. There was no just cause, which the law says it had to be, to stop these people. Then wonder why the number of arrests was low and very few guns were found. Perhaps that is why the supreme court deemed it unconstitutional.
Maybe the cops need better training on who the likely criminals are and who's not. Like you said, it's pretty obvious .
How did stop and harass, alone decrease crime when there were very few arrests and guns found during the time it was implemented? How can it decrease crime when you are stopping mostly non-criminals?
Again, you just don't get it. Or, just don't want to believe that some of these cops are jacked up individuals. Are you trying to tell me a cop, with 5, 10, 15 years of service cannot spot a criminal walking down the street? Better training? Aare you kidding me? They get all of that training at the academy plus months of field training with a veteran police officer. Plus the experience when they are patrolling with a partner every day in the same neighborhoods. How about that they aren't willing to follow police policy and enjoy harassing people, mostly blacks.
Ok we get it. You seem to be in favor of the status quo by letting crime and murders continue on as long as blacks aren’t harassed.
Nope. Just want police to do their job correctly. If stop and harass is in place, just stop people that you have just cause to stop. What part of not harassing non-criminals don’t you see? Stop and harass is unconstitutional in the first place. Why are we even discussing it?
Looks like you are talking in circles. Let the criminals do what they do because some people don’t want to harass them. Crime and murderers live on.
I did not say that. I said if you are to use stop and harass, use it like the law said to use it. It says stop individuals if you have just cause to stop them. What’s so hard to understand that?Looks like you are talking in circles. Let the criminals do what they do because some people don’t want to harass them. Crime and murderers live on.
So let's say they do their job. What do we do about your beloved Democrat politicians that have gutted the judicial system and won't follow through with appropriate prosecution and incarceration?
How about mostly blacks quit comtting the majority of the crime while being a small part of the population?
Uh oh. We have another racist troll in this forum. Are you the one that burned the cross on the lawn at the Purdue Black Cultural Center in 1985?
Uh, no and I am merely showing you facts that you don't want to see. Look at crime statistics. That is what police do. Sorry to break it to you but those are the facts. You choose to dress and present yourself a certain way that causes suspicion expect the effects from it. When you choose prison clothes a s a fashion statement you reap what you sow.
These racist claims here and there are very controversial. I don’t understand why you take the positions that you do with respect to this. You moved your family to a basically all white neighborhood years ago. I’m not blaming or judging you on this, but with your stance on black people, makes it hard to understand leaving black people to live with white people.
We moved for the better school system and low crime.
So you are a racist you just claim to not be a controversial one.
Where did I say I did not want the police to do anything about crime?
I don’t blame you at all for moving to a white neighborhood. I do find it hypocritical on your part to be up the policeman’s skirt every time something goes against a black criminal. Police make mistakes, but yet you want less crime as we all do. Continuing to vilify the police is why we have the crime and killings currently. Criminals need to be dealt with harshly depending on the crime. We need to support the police even though a few mistakes are made. Those mistakes will get cleaned up as time passes.
I do support the police. But when they torture and force confessions, plant evidence, lie on official police reports, etc., they need to be held accountable. I'm pretty sure you support doctors but don't doctors need to be held accountable for malpractice? When Laquan McDonald was killed by police a few years ago in Chicago. Putting his murder aside, for now, some of the other police officers that were onsite at the time were fired for guess what, falsifying the official police reports of what happened. They obviously were trying to cover up the incident. Mayor Rahm Emanual was also part of the cover-up as they sat on the video for a year. But this is nothing new as this has been going on for decades. Obviously, these mistakes as you put it are not getting cleaned up.
My assumption is that once the bad guys realized there was a good chance of getting SnF and if caught with a gun, bad things would happen, that maybe fewer of them started carrying guns. Therefore, one could hypothesize that there was a causal relationship between the threat of SnF and criminals deciding not to carry guns. Thus, there was a corresponding decrease in gun/violent crimes, which is a documented statistic.
If most of the crime is occurring in black neighborhoods, then naturally, most of those getting stopped will be blacks. Not that hard to figure out.
How do you measure whether the cops are stopping the right people?
You love to pick out individual instances (and even single incidences that occurred several years ago, like the Burge forced confessions in Chicago) and make the assertion that it's what's taking place the majority of the time.
Not knowing what the exact law says about just cause, but to me, that would be just cause to stop someone to frisk for weapons and perhaps intelligence of what is happening currently in the neighborhood at this time or shortly. Even if they did not find a weapon or arrest. And that is my entire point. Police patrol the same neighborhoods every day and they know who the bad guys are?
When it comes to police as far as racism, false reporting, forced confessions, or planting evidence, one is too many. However, this stuff happens in the black community all the time and has so for decades. Look at the Central Park 5 now called the Exonerated 5 in NYC. Forced confessions almost cost them their lives because of the death penalty. Luckily DNA evidence completely exonerated them all. Now one of them is running for NY state government office. False reporting happens on a daily basis for sure.
The voting statistic you quoted is a bunch of crap. That’s what they want the people to believe, but I’m not buying it. If the actual facts were known there would be civil unrest.
And it’s even funnier how you Democrat cultists can twist facts to fit your narrative. You do that here daily but since you’re an admitted cultist, it all makes sense now.
I never said anything, ever, about stolen elections.
This is as honest as you’ve ever been. You don’t know much of anything.
