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Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC?

Not if the agreement holds when Texas A&M joined! Could be a great chance to add them to the B1G in the West and slide Purdue to the East in Football! Second option would be to pick up two from what’s left. Iowa St and Oklahoma State could jump!
 
Not if the agreement holds when Texas A&M joined! Could be a great chance to add them to the B1G in the West and slide Purdue to the East in Football! Second option would be to pick up two from what’s left. Iowa St and Oklahoma State could jump!
You talking about the 4 dissenter rule?
 
Not if the agreement holds when Texas A&M joined! Could be a great chance to add them to the B1G in the West and slide Purdue to the East in Football! Second option would be to pick up two from what’s left. Iowa St and Oklahoma State could jump!
Why do you think adding more elite programs to our schedule is a good thing?
 
Why do you think adding more elite programs to our schedule is a good thing?
Why does the SEC need either Oklahoma or Texas? Adding them is far more beneficial to Oklahoma and Texas than to the SEC. The Big 12 is fairly irrelevant at this point, and, Texas has not been truly relevant in years...thus the desperation on the part of Oklahoma and Texas, but, in light of it, I don't get why the SEC would want to do them the favor(s) of allowing them to join and perhaps making one, if not both, a national power once again...at the expense of some of their own programs potentially.
 
Why does the SEC need either Oklahoma or Texas? Adding them is far more beneficial to Oklahoma and Texas than to the SEC. The Big 12 is fairly irrelevant at this point, and, Texas has not been truly relevant in years...thus the desperation on the part of Oklahoma and Texas, but, in light of it, I don't get why the SEC would want to do them the favor(s) of allowing them to join and perhaps making one, if not both, a national power once again...at the expense of some of their own programs potentially.
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I could easily see this having a negative impact on both of their football programs, ala Nebraska moving to the big ten. IMO it’s much better for them to be top dogs in the b12 than just another sec team and Alabama’s bitch.
 
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Texas won't give up the Longhorn network. If they don't, why would a conference want to add them?
Will Texas make more than $60 million per year by keeping the Longhorn network as opposed to joining the SEC? Past reports have alluded to the Longhorn Network struggling but I haven't really read anything about it recently. I just think there will be plenty of allure to joining the SEC from an economic standpoint. As far as ideology, the two don't seem to be a match.
 
Will Texas make more than $60 million per year by keeping the Longhorn network as opposed to joining the SEC? Past reports have alluded to the Longhorn Network struggling but I haven't really read anything about it recently. I just think there will be plenty of allure to joining the SEC from an economic standpoint. As far as ideology, the two don't seem to be a match.
Numbers have already been crunched. Texas makes $60 million/year with current TV contracts including Longhorn Network. But an expanded SEC would be paying each school in the conference $80 million/yr.
 
At what point does this ever-expanding conference model break down and lose support from the schools without powerhouse football programs? In a 16 team conference with multiple perennial powers can you ever see schools like Ole Miss or Arkansas competing for a conference title? Are the 'also rans' of these super conferences going to be satisfied with being glorified speed bumps as long as the money is coming in?
 
I would have liked it prior to CFP expansion. OU in the SEC would eliminate them from CFP talk, forever.
 
Not if the agreement holds when Texas A&M joined! Could be a great chance to add them to the B1G in the West and slide Purdue to the East in Football! Second option would be to pick up two from what’s left. Iowa St and Oklahoma State could jump!
No one wants UT because UT runs over everything in sight. Ask anyone from A&M or Nebraska. The ‘Horns should be avoided at all costs.
 
At what point does this ever-expanding conference model break down and lose support from the schools without powerhouse football programs? In a 16 team conference with multiple perennial powers can you ever see schools like Ole Miss or Arkansas competing for a conference title? Are the 'also rans' of these super conferences going to be satisfied with being glorified speed bumps as long as the money is coming in?
College presidents will take the money & be happy being 4th in a 16 team conference, IMO. And some schools don't really care about football, particularly if it brings in the big bucks. Kentucky comes to mind. They get a piece of the SEC football pie & dominate basketball for a lifetime.
 
College presidents will take the money & be happy being 4th in a 16 team conference, IMO. And some schools don't really care about football, particularly if it brings in the big bucks. Kentucky comes to mind. They get a piece of the SEC football pie & dominate basketball for a lifetime.
Unfortunately, I think you are right. But can you imagine your schedule comes out and you get to play Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Oklahoma, Texas, ATM, and Florida? Coaching jobs like Kentucky are going to be a perpetual turnstile because, although you say they don't care, their fans and donors care enough that expectations will remain to make bowl games and sometimes compete for a conference title. They fired their OC one (covid) year removed from 10-3 and 8-5 seasons.
 
That was a gentleman's agreement. No teeth to it.

Yes....was basically an "understanding" that they wouldn't add a new member school from the same State as an existing member school without the current member's approval....but there's no bylaw or rule backing it up.

Still holding out hope one day for the Big 64. :)
 
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Texas is tired of getting beat by Baylor, TCU, and Texas Tech in state. Now they want to play Alabama, LSU, and Georgia, LOL. It will get worse before it gets better for them. They are being out recruited by the SEC teams for players from Texas so this will help them there I think. Surprised the B1G didn’t initiate this. Asleep at the wheel? Now we are scrambling for the leftovers.
 
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Texas is tired of getting beat by Baylor, TCU, and Texas Tech in state. Now they want to play Alabama, LSU, and Georgia, LOL. It will get worse before it gets better for them. They are being out recruited by the SEC teams for players from Texas so this will help them there I think. Surprised the B1G didn’t initiate this. Asleep at the wheel? Now we are scrambling for the leftovers.
Nebraska told everyone in the BiG that no one partners with Texas, they get run over by them.
 
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The courts will ultimately decide it and if tapes or emails exist of the agreement, they would be their Avenue to uphold it!

While possible to have an oral contract, you have to have a meeting of the minds of all members to such contract. The probability that you can establish that is going to be close to zero; especially, as A&M has already said it was just a gentleman's agreement. Plus, the conference's contract, will have a merger clause, which prohibits evidence of contemporaneous oral agreements to supplement or modify the written contract (i.e. this agreement constitutes the sole and exclusive agreement of the parties with respect to the subject matter hereof . . . ). Lastly, depending on the choice of law in the underlying agreement and the language of the relevant state's statute of frauds, this agreement would likely be required to be in writing because it cannot be completed in a year.
 
Barker, where have you been? Filling in for Tubin at the New Yorker?

Hahaha, no, I have been lurking around but have had to resign my role as the guy who writes novellas around here as the day job is back to 24/7 as the world has turned back on. Oddly enough, one of my partners was in his section at HLS, and said it could not have happened to a nicer person.
 
Hahaha, no, I have been lurking around but have had to resign my role as the guy who writes novellas around here as the day job is back to 24/7 as the world has turned back on. Oddly enough, one of my partners was in his section at HLS, and said it could not have happened to a nicer person.
24/7? I assumed you were a partner with a chain-gang of non-partner workbots at your command, while you sit with your feet up in a corner office sipping G&Ts or whatever lawyers prefer. (What do they drink?)
 
While possible to have an oral contract, you have to have a meeting of the minds of all members to such contract. The probability that you can establish that is going to be close to zero; especially, as A&M has already said it was just a gentleman's agreement. Plus, the conference's contract, will have a merger clause, which prohibits evidence of contemporaneous oral agreements to supplement or modify the written contract (i.e. this agreement constitutes the sole and exclusive agreement of the parties with respect to the subject matter hereof . . . ). Lastly, depending on the choice of law in the underlying agreement and the language of the relevant state's statute of frauds, this agreement would likely be required to be in writing because it cannot be completed in a year.
Are you saying an oral contract is not worth the paper it is not written on?
 
After reading through the national boards it’s sounding like ou and ut to the sec is all but finalized. Supposedly the b1g has been talking to Kansas now from what I have been reading, possibly Iowa state too. No idea if any of this is 100% true regarding ku and isu. Personally I’d much rather we raid the acc and take unc and FSU if we’re going to be adding more programs.
 
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After reading through the national boards it’s sounding like ou and ut to the sec is all but finalized. Supposedly the b1g has been talking to Kansas now from what I have been reading, possibly Iowa state too. No idea if any of this is 100% true regarding ku and isu. Personally I’d much rather we raid the acc and take unc and FSU if we’re going to be adding more programs.
Colorado and Mizzou are our best option. UC is fed up with the PAC-12 and Mizzou has nothing but loathing for Texas.
 
After reading through the national boards it’s sounding like ou and ut to the sec is all but finalized. Supposedly the b1g has been talking to Kansas now from what I have been reading, possibly Iowa state too. No idea if any of this is 100% true regarding ku and isu. Personally I’d much rather we raid the acc and take unc and FSU if we’re going to be adding more programs.
And Carolina, in particular, is much stronger academically than Kansas and Iowa State (despite Ol’ Roy’s scandal). That used to be a consideration though I do not know if it still is.
 
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And Carolina, in particular, is much stronger academically than Kansas and Iowa State (despite Ol’ Roy’s scandal). That used to be a consideration though I do not know if it still is.
Yeah I really have no idea if the ku or isu talk has much legs to it, all just message board talk for now. I do think the big ten needs to be extremely selective with the schools it does choose to let in. No more Maryland/rutger level mistakes. Sec is essentially now a football super conference. That’s why I’d really like to see us add a southern football power in FSU and an all around athletic powerhouse in unc. Both also have enormous fan bases. Schools like Colorado, mizzou, Iowa state, etc. literally bring nothing to the table. Let’s just hope warren doesn’t screw this up.
 
ISU would be the most underwhelming.

for anybody interested in this stuff, follow Frank the tank.


He mentions Georgia tech and Virginia, but if you’re raiding the ACC, why not go for the biggest fish? FSU, Clemson.

my personal favorite add has long been UNC.
 
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IMO, Oklahoma St. and Kanas gives the B1G the best football and basketball adds IF the B1G is only looking at the Big 12. If all options are on the table take a run at A&M in Texas or Texas Tech and a Florida St!
 
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