Ted Cruz direct quote
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Perhaps he means round up any Muslims who even look like terrorists, and put them in internment camps like was done with the Japanese during WW II. He claims to be a great constitutional mind, but I highly doubt this could ever really happen in this day and age. Saying this might appeal to some at the AIPAC gathering in Washington D.C., but outside of that...?
I don't believe it will happen. It's patently unconstitutional and it isn't 1945 and we aren't fighting WWII. I'm just curious what he thinks it means to "secure" Muslim neighborhoods.
Is this just riling up with dogwhistles, or does he have an actual plan in mind?
I would assume Muslims are spread out and live in many different places.What is he talking about?
You forgot Minneapolis.
I think it's dogwhistles. This is red meat for the AIPAC crowd.
If he is saying stuff like this, then why isn't the media going after him? They seem to focus only on Trump.
Well I saw it on yahoo at one point...but Trump does seem to take up most of the oxygen in the room.
Maybe, don't let no-go zones materialize in the US. You can't deny they have popped in Europe as the result of a super-liberal Islamic immigration policy. We don't need Islamic ghettos like the one where the Paris Islamic terrorists and the Brussels Islamic terrorists are allowed to fester.
But I don't think Cruz is that much of a forward thinker. It was a dog whistle for sure.
Remember, Cruz is on a mission form a god as well. His father has said that exact statement. So have very popular media personalities.
That is why I would support Trump over Cruz.
I need a shower.
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Are they radicalized like the enclaves in Paris and Brussels? Or London?
What is making these folks blow themselves up at an airport in Belgium or shoot up a medical facility is California?
Like the 9/11 Islamic terrorists, it isn't persecution or economic despair. Everyone has a degree and is living a great life. What is the common factor? Or, are these all isolated incidents?
These dudes have more product in their hair than I have used in my entire life.
You're trying to find a common factor for what a few thousand at most folks out of a billion do?
I don't have to try. It is in the text. The God of Abraham sent the angel Gabriel to deliver The Recitation to the prophet Mohammed. Mohammed then fulfilled the edict of the God of Abraham. Very straightforward commandment.
I am growing tired of this line of argument. It is overly formulaic.
1. Islamists blow up babies.
2. Islamists cite religion.
3. Not all muslisms/no true scotsman.
4. Nothing is done.
5. Islamists blow up more babies.
6. GOTO 1
Loop.
Your responses are terror is the new norm.
Regressive left on display. Also, you didn't address any on my points. In particular, the immigrant crisis in Europe that is resulting in dead children.
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Ya got me...all of the billion Muslims follow this do loop, not a few thousand. Certainly dead children never resulted from anything but Muslims. But hey you get to use cute phrases like regressive left so you can appear above it all...so ya got that going for ya.
No, you are growing tired of nuanced argument. To you, it is only "Islam results in deaths, thus Islam is bad." To you, others who don't share that view say, "Islam is Peace. It's not Islam's fault." You don't seem to be able to comprehend anything in between. THAT is what is common today: black or white, no tolerance for any gray.
So what is the nuanced argument? That millions and millions of Muslims may not come out and say that they support ISIS, yet they are happy to supply aid, money, and tacit approval of ISIS and its goals and aims? That millions and millions more are happy to supply aid, money, and tacit approval of Al-Queda and its goals and aims?
The West is at war with radical Islam, at least that's the way radical Islam views it. qazplm goes out of his way to say that only 30,000 soldiers are fighting for ISIS, but what about the millions more worldwide who aid and abet ISIS on a regular basis? How about Saudi Arabia and its oil money? How about Turkey and its willingness to buy ISIS-stolen oil or to treat ISIS soldiers in their hospitals? How about Kuwait, Qatar, and the UAE? How about Malaysia? How about Libya? Sunni Islam is complicit in the rise of ISIS. So are G.W. Bush, Obama, and Hillary Clinton.
On the other side you have the Shia. You have Iran, much of Iraq, Hezbollah, the Houthi's in Yemen, Assad and his Alawite clan...Are they to be trusted? Iran regularly shouts death to America, death to Israel!
The Middle East and North Africa are in a horrible mess because of Islam and because of America meddling in ME politics and fomenting regime change (Quaddafi in Libya, Sadaam Hussein in Iraq, tried to get rid of Assad in Syria, Egypt, etc.) America, especially under Obama, took a big stick and swirled it around in the hornet's nest that is the ME. Now Europe is being flooded with migrants from the ME - do you think this was done by accident? Hell no, this is exactly what the "powers that be" wanted.
Islam couldn't beat the West (at least Western Europe) by fighting directly. So they did a different kind of invasion - one the effects of which will be more devastating than any conventional, non-nuclear war could ever be. The soul of Western Europe is being ripped out and its leadership were complicit in making it happen.
Why did the God of Abraham deliver the angel Gabriel to Mohammed to give to him The Recitation? The Final Word of God.
Are you familiar with what God did?
Regressive left is a term coined by an Islamist who spent time in an Egyptian prison for being the wrong form of God's word. He now lives in London and is aware of the destruction of Western culture via Islam.
What do you think of the No Go Zones in the video you watched?
The nuanced argument is that some Muslims support ISIS; some Muslims support Al Qaeda; some Muslims support Hezbollah; some Muslims don't support any of it.
Just like some black people are petty criminals; some black people are murderers; some black people are rapists.
Just like some white people are racists; some white people are murderers; some white people are rapists.
Just like some Mexicans are lazy; some Mexicans are industrious; some Mexicans transport cocaine across borders.
The nuanced argument recognizes that you cannot lump a group of one billion people under one label and treat them in one specific way, be that deportation, denial of entry, denial of basic rights, imprisonment, or death by drone. It makes the job of law enforcement and intelligence a lot more difficult, but as an American, I'd prefer the preservation of rights for ALL, not just for people who look and think like me.
OK, you're taking a flame cut (very rough kind of cut, like with a torch, and not very nuanced by the way), yet there have been polls taken around the world (including adherents from the US and Europe) showing that an estimated 30 - 40% (that's something like 200 - 300 MILLION, right?) of Sunni Muslims agree fundamentally with what ISIS is doing around the world. They believe in jihad as a tenet of Islam and they would like to see groups like ISIS help usher in the end of days, as their so-called prophets predicted long ago.
Where's the nuance in that? They abhor America and what it stands for and would like nothing more than to see the USA cease to exist and be replaced by an Islamic caliphate. You have a-holes like the ones running CAIR going around trying to make every perceived negative comment about Islam as "Islamiphobic".
The nuance is that it's still a MINORITY of Muslims who believe that, and yes, many Muslims believe "jihad" to mean things other than "Death to America". So I have no idea how to interpret that number, and it doesn't change my mind that we should remove the rights of every Muslim in order to prevent violence by ISIS. Sorry. That goes fundamentally against the First Amendment, the Constitution, and pretty much everything I believe in.
No they do not "agree fundamentally with what ISIS is doing around the world." Go ahead and link that poll so we can all see it, and see how you are spinning it.
If 30-40% of "Sunni Muslims" around the world believed in it, we'd have WAY more attacks here and there would be nothing we could do to stop them.
MOST of the 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world are Sunni. That's approximately 1.3 Billion give or take. 35% of that would be 450+ million people (no not 200-300 million). If 450+ million people were on Team ISIS things in the world would look catastrophically different. That's over 100 million more people than live in the US. ISIS would be super well-funded, there would be suicide bombers everywhere, here, Europe, elsewhere, we'd be looking at weekly if not daily attacks.
You are so blind. There are multiple attack attempts (supported by or inspired by ISIS and Al-Queda) thwarted in the US on a weekly basis. The US government doesn't publicly state they have stopped these attacks because if the general populace knew what was really going on, they'd be scared shitless. Yet, there's plenty of evidence of attacks and attempted attacks...
You just ignore 9/11, the Shoe Bomber Richard Reid, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Boston Marathon bombing, San Bernardino, Nidal Hassan at Ft. Hood. Just in the last 7 years you also ignore in the USA:
12/2009 USA Binghamton, NY A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for ‘persecuted’ Muslims
2009 Arkansas Army recruiting office Mr. Muhammad shoot and murder a Army Recruiter
2010 New York City, NY Time Square Bomber, Faisal Shahzad
9/2011 USAWaltham, MA, Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists
2/2013 Buena Vista, NJ, A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants
3/2013 Ashtabula, OH, A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah
8/2013 Richmond, CA, A convert “on a mission from Allah” stabs a store clerk to death
9/2013 Washington Navy Yard shooting
2013 Oklahoma, Alton Nolen, a.k.a Jah’Keem Yisreal, stabbed and beheaded a female coworker,\
3/2014 Port Bolivar, TX, A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality
4/2014 Skyway, WA, A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic
6/2014 Seattle, WA, Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist
6/2014 West Orange, NJ, A 19-year-old college student is shot to death ‘in revenge for Muslim deaths overseas'
9/2014 Moore, OK, A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo
10/2014 Muslim Hits A NYC Cop In The Head With A Hatchet
12/2014 Ismaaiyl Abdullah Brinsley, 28, killed two New York City Police Department (NYPD) officers
05/2015 Garland, TX, 2 Muslim terrorist attack Draw Mohammad Cartoon
7/2015 Chattanooga shooting suspect Muslim terrorist Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez
10/2015 Oregon College Shooter Shiv Sharma Islamic Jihadist Muslim Terrorist
11/2015 Mass Stabber at Univ of CA Merced Identified as ‘Faisal Mohammad’
This list consists of 19 events resulting in death of individuals or small groups of people committed by Muslims over the course of six years. I'm not going to go through the list and parse them out individually, but note that it includes at least two events where attacks were not consummated and resulted only in the deaths of the Muslim assailants, and others which, while committed by Muslims, may not have been related to "terrorism" or "jihad". Instead, they may have been committed as run-of-the-mill murders, albeit very violent, but no more "jihad-related" than an alcohol-fueled, enraged Billy murdering Bobby and Jean after discovering them in bed together.
So. 19 events. Let's say an average of two innocents killed (because who cares about the Muslims, right?) in each event. That's 38 dead across the country over the course of six years.
In 2012 alone, there were 417 murders in New York City. There were about 340 in 2013. That's one city. In one year. Ten times as many dead as a result of criminal behavior.
This is not to say that terrorism is a problem we should just ignore. Indeed, 9/11 speaks to that. We should remain vigilant and expand monitoring electronically and continue watching individuals for ties to jihadi organizations and break up terror plots.
This is not to somehow diminish the deaths of Americans who had families and lives snuffed out far too soon by jihadists and terrorists around the world.
This is where nuance comes in. It is irresponsible to run around decrying the death of 100 or 1000 people as justification for the villification of 1,000,000,000 people, some small percentage of which are actually a problem.
What those events and deaths don't justify is "patrolling Muslim neighborhoods" or somehow singling out one religious group which accounts for about 1% of the overall population in this country, estimating 3.3 million Muslims in America in 2015.
Just as with any other group of Americans, it is unfair, illogical, and unconstitutional to single out millions of Americans in order to stop violence committed by a small minority of those people. We don't stand for it in the black community. We don't stand for it in the white community. Why should we stand for it in the Muslim community? Because you see attacks carried out on CNN, but you don't see the same coverage of the thousands of murders in cities across this country carried out by whites, blacks, and others of all kinds of faiths, but predominantly Christians?
You are far more likely to die at the hand of a Christian in this country than you are to die at the hand of a Muslim. Let that sink in for a minute before responding.
None of this even speaks to the rhetorical effects of taking such action unjustly on the millions of Muslim Americans. It would show that our views on equal rights for all are only as good as our perception of "security". We've gone down that road before, and it's largely viewed as one of the darkest self-inflicted events in our history.
From the Commissioner of NYPD in response to Cruz: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ted-cruz-absolutely-war-terror-article-1.2578821
From the article:
"In New York City, we protect all communities from crime and terrorism — yes, Muslim communities too — because like us, they are Americans who own businesses, work hard, pay taxes and dream of a better life for their children. Over 900 of them work in my police department as police officers, many of them in counterterrorism and intelligence. Many of them have served in the military and fought for their country. We police our city not by campaign slogans or inflammatory rhetoric, but by an old piece of parchment called the U.S. Constitution and another called the Bill of Rights."
We need to stop ISIS and keep fighting the jihadi ideology around the world even to the point of drone strikes, ground troops, and other large-scale military operations as needed, but that does not - DOES NOT - include suspending our own Constitutional foundations in response to largely unjustifed fears of narrow-minded Americans.
It occurs to me that this stance by Cruz and Republicans stands exactly against their stated positions on the Second Amendment. School shootings aren't cause to refine gun control laws to make those mass shootings any less likely because Freedom, but murders and jihadist events carried out by an extreme minority are absolutely just cause to selectively suspend the First Amendment for Americans that Don't Look Like Us.
Speaking of Easter, watch out for those Christians, they commit the vast majority of the murders in the country every single year going back forever.
Clearly, we have to ask why they are so violent, and what we can do to stop their repeated crimes of hate.
It's only a tiny tiny percentage of Christians, but as you've proven with Muslims, that doesn't matter.
Christians killed more than 65 people in the US this year...not sure what a Pakistan attack has to do with Muslim US neighborhoods though, but I'm sure you'll tell me.
Christians killed more than 65 people in one attack in the USA this year? Oh, pray tell, where and when did that happen?
The Muslim attacks happening in the US have the same basic Sunni Islam roots as the one in Pakistan today. This is an asymmetric, ideological war perpetrated by a religious death cult.
Oh so we are going by one attack and not total killed? Why exactly again? Do we include the Christian Hutu massacre of between 500K and 800K Tutsi? Has there been that many killed total by Muslims in the last say 40 years worldwide?
Qaz appears to me to be a typical liberal in the sense that he/she denies the existence of a problem by logically (or illogically) generating a numerical case to justify doing or believing that nothing needs attention. If he were on the city council he is the one who would say that we don't need a traffic light at an intersection because there has only been 6 deaths in the last 15 years even though three were in the last six months and it was only a few old people who were going to die soon anyway so why include them in the analysis. In fact one of the three deaths was a passenger with advanced Alzheimer's so technically they didn't count as a person at all. ....and the beat goes on.
Uh, the Cruz stance does not equal the RNC stance. Nice try to paint anyone not blue an idiot. Cruz was an idiot for saying that. Of course he is a politician so by definition he is an idiot. The other candidates have said some really stupid things too. I am soooo tired of our people only viewing our country thru red or blue glasses. The fact is our political system is totally broken. Politicians on both sides are bought and paid for by special interest groups. Unless and until we change that our country will continue to slide.
Saddam killed half a million of his own people! You make less sense than illuminati. Your posts are filled with complete tripe and pathetically ill informed. Child-like really. get a clue.
Huh, so we are going to go with anyone who kills for any reason if they happen to be of a certain religion?
You sure you want that wide a definition?
It ain't clear that Hitler wasn't at least nominally a Christian. Mussolini certainly was. Nearly everyone involved with WWI was. Plenty of Christian dictators over the last 150 years or so. I'm pretty sure even if you ignore Hitler, the body count gets fairly high if you simply go Christian leaders who killed people unnecessarily.
Of course, it isn't any more clear that Hussein was much more of a Muslim than Hitler was a Christian:
"[The Ba’ath Party must] oppose the institutionalization of religion in the state and society"
Saddam Hussein, 1978.
He later used religion to help his power, but Iraq was primarily a secular state, and all religions were more or less left alone, including Christians.
If I was painting anyone not blue as an idiot, I would be painting myself as such. Simply because I do not support Trump nor Cruz does not make me a Democrat. I will likely vote that way this presidential election, but that will be the first time ever.
But continue to take the lazy approach - everyone sucks, the country is dying.
