Noticed yesterday at the game he wasn't wearing his boot, wonder if that's a good sign of getting back sooner than later! Don't remember the time frame he was suppose to be out?
Taylor
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Last I heard was at least until February but no projected certain date of return this year.
What I remember is every time I see a pic of him, a tv shot of him (harder at Mackey) he appears to be a high character person fighting through a LOT of adversity that loves this team and players...and if he can get healthy will no doubt play hard, and I think help Purdue down the road . Here he is hugging the player that is now starting that took the other players starting role as they all are happy campers
Don't want to rush things with foot injuries..............
but can't wait for him to get on the court.........love the kid, and truly think he can contribute
but can't wait for him to get on the court.........love the kid, and truly think he can contribute
What I remember is every time I see a pic of him, a tv shot of him (harder at Mackey) he appears to be a high character person fighting through a LOT of adversity that loves this team and players...and if he can get healthy will no doubt play hard, and I think help Purdue down the road . Here he is hugging the player that is now starting that took the other players starting role as they all are happy campers
Good practice as well....that's a jump ball for some Big Ten officials.
Even if he doesn't play much this year, we are going to need him the next 2 years as we very probably lose Biggie this offseason, then IH and VE after next year.What I remember is every time I see a pic of him, a tv shot of him (harder at Mackey) he appears to be a high character person fighting through a LOT of adversity that loves this team and players...and if he can get healthy will no doubt play hard, and I think help Purdue down the road . Here he is hugging the player that is now starting that took the other players starting role as they all are happy campers
Don't want to rush things with foot injuries..............
but can't wait for him to get on the court.........love the kid, and truly think he can contribute
He might be back in time for Iowa at home? I hope he can at least play at the speed he was prior to injuring his back in the Georgia State game.
I wonder what the staff will do with Haarms, since he'll be eligible and with the news that Taylor is likely out the rest of the season.
Haarms won't play this season. Taylor sounds like he's out for the year-bummer. Spike maybe by BIG opener.
If he's not returning this season, my guess would be that he most likely will get another medical redshirt. The NCAA has (or, at least since the '90's) seemed to be pretty good about granting more than one injury redshirt season for players that need it.
CMP stated as much before the pre game show yesterday after Cligs was asking about an injury update on Spike and Taylor......
If Taylot gets another year AND can STAY healthy...he could get pretty good with maturity and all the extra work
That's why I don't want another year for Taylor. There is absolutely no indication that he is going to be able to contribute. Use that scholarship on someone that can help the team.
I have nothing against the kid personally. Obviously we should honor the scholarship for next year. He graduates and moves on. There is no reason for another year on top of that. Sometimes injuries keep a player from reaching his potential and I think Taylor is one of those players.
I think you are falling prey to "The grass is always greener" thinking.
Haarms has no clue about defensive and offensive sets. No idea about how the team shifts to adapt to various opponent strategy changes on the court, during a game. HIs skill set, while good, is not going to be close to what our other big's bring. Furthermore, he won't be close to the conditioning level he needs to play at this level.
It is better for the program if Haarms just comes into practice, adapts to school, and works on his conditioning... and keeps his year of eligibility intact.
fully understand and had your thoughts in mind when I typed. However, on a team there are always a few that never play much, contribute much during games...whether injured or just not as good. You have 13 players on scholly and a coach can't keep that many happy and so did you lose something with a gamble on keeping one that may or may not contribute that is a positive for the team in other ways outside of playing "IF" playing was not possible? Fully understand your legitimate concerns, but not sure the gamble is as great as it may appear?
That's fair. If we want a positive kid sitting on the bench that appears to be a good teammate, I can't argue with that.
My position is to always use your scholarships on the best talent you can get. I think we can do better than Taylor. Simply because he isn't ever available to play when needed. If it turns out we have 10 guys that are all good and fighting for playing time, then you are correct, it really doesn't matter much what you are doing with those last couple scholarships. I would just like to error on the aggressive side and use every scholarship on the best players available and let them fight for playing time.
Dry,
I totally understand where you're coming from on this.....it's a legitimate reasonable argument to make. I think CMP goes the other way after discussing with JT. He doesn't have to do that, as you suggest, but nothing in the past has shown me CMP would limit a player he's brought in on scholarship....even if it causes a "crunch." He hasn't resorted to oversigns either. I just think that's the way he wants to run the program.....I think less of an issue (but still possibly a consideration) is not having it end up being something for "negative" recruiting. Total speculation on my part.
If it were me, and I received the willingness and commitment from the player, I'd have the school petition for the medical hardship....that's just me.....doesn't make it the right position in this or any other situation.
Disclaimer: I've made no bones about how I'd love to see JT get healthy and contribute and turn that short stretch from last year's game @ Rutgers into one of many highlights. In the end, I just wish him the best.....and if basketball doesn't work out, get that Purdue degree and find another passion....and move on to a successful, fulfilling, and happy/rewarding next chapter in life.
Regardless, he'll always be a Boilermaker....
You are right! But I doubt that he's game ready. If I'm wrong and he is really good already great. I don't think they would burn a year of eligibility for a few minutes in a game or two though.
I'm not sure that I see the dearth of post players on our team that others are concerned with at present. I think our rotation is working beautifully right now. Granted a serious injury would change that but that's always true. Very few teams have three true back to the bucket players.
I knew when I posted my feelings on this it would sound harsh and I get that. It is much more acceptable to say we will petition for a 6th year and keep him on scholarship. That sounds like the right thing to do, and it may very well be. It's not like I'm going to throw a fit if we do in fact do that.
I just think that giving a kid 5 years of free education is enough. I don't feel any moral or ethical problem with telling a kid we aren't going to keep you for a 6th year we need to move on. I know that technically scholarships are given "yearly" and there is absolutely no obligation on the school to renew them each year. I personally believe that when you "sign" a kid you are taking on a 4 year obligation (unless the player breaks rules). I don't feel the school owes them any more than those 4 years.
I recognize I may be in a very small minority on this one. I'm not really passionate about it either way, but when I see "a lot" of people in different threads posting about a 6th year I can't help but say let's at least think about that first and not just automatically say that is what the school should do.
If Haarms can help us get any wins, and not cost us any, I'm fine with him playing even if only a few minutes a game. I will take wins now over saving a kid for later. Winning will generate more talent for the future. Having said that, if he can't contribute you obviously use the redshirt.
On a side note, would it be possible for him to play now and then redshirt for the first half of next season? Or do you have to sit for the entire season?
On a side note, would it be possible for him to play now and then redshirt for the first half of next season? Or do you have to sit for the entire season?
The thing is, at best, Haarms would be a guy at the end of a game like we saw last night...and honestly how much would it hurt team chemistry if a guy like Eifert doesn't get the minutes at the ends of games after busting his butt battling players like VE, Biggie, Smotherman, Mathias, and Cline every day in practice. I like that Haarms is coming in but I gather he may actually take the approach that this would constitute as his 'redshirt' year and he will be more ready to contribute at the start of next season to backup Haas when CMP doesn't want to go small ball with Ewing/Smotherman playing the '5'. It also wouldn't surprise me to see CMP take this as a sort of 'grey shirt' year since technically Haarms has delayed his enrollment due to him coming from overseas but not qualifying for his school. This delayed enrollment still allows Haarms to have 5 to play 4 and he could then take graduate classes in the spring after he would have graduated. There is a plan in place and if CMP didn't think Haarms AND the team could benefit from getting him on campus after Christmas, he wouldn't be coming. At the worst, Haarms is able to provide a tall body to practice against and a chance to the big guys to rest a bit more in practice when scrimmaging a bit.
No such thing as 1/2 a redshirt. If he plays this year, it's a year gone. If he plays next year it's a year gone. So he'd be down 2 years at the end of next season if he plays in both.
Totally get that, Dry....I didn't take it as harsh, and I would think there are more than you think that side with your position. All I was mainly doing was speculating on what CMP MIGHT do. I appreciate you posting your thoughts, whether you get criticized or not for them.....and I didn't intend to criticize....just shed more light, and "keep the conversation lively."
Tex: We're good, I'm with you I think it is most likely CMP will petition for a 6th year if Taylor can't play the rest of this year.
Who's minutes is Spike going to get? PJ is playing well, you have to have CE on the floor, Dakota is consistent and his D is looking good, Cline is heating up from outside. Spike and PJ might be an even tradeoff but I'm not sure.
He takes someone's minutes who gets injured, in foul trouble, or who is having a bad game.
Also, when he was healthy early in the season I felt he looked the most confident in breaking full court pressure. I might also add that he is probably our best free throw shooter. IMO, I'd want him on the floor anytime we're trying to ice away a game. Carsen and PJ are only shooting 60% from the free throw line.
I'll also add that Spike Albrecht has the experience of knocking down big shots in a big game....someone posted recently (forget who) they thought SA would still play some part down the line in a crucial stretch/contest, and I agree with that sentiment. The tough thing, however, is that the longer he's out, the tougher it is for him to not only get worked back into the game flow but also get himself into "game" shape (especially mentally). We'll see....I look forward to seeing him back out on the court.
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fully ...fully understand...but in the today "ME" world of instant gratification it may be difficult to have all 13 playing the amount they may want. I don't think there is a question you were more correct years ago...but not sure how it shakes out now
I'm just enjoying that the discussion has changed from, "does he deserve a Purdue scholarship?" to "can he immediately help us win games as a freshman with no B1G conditioning and no experience in the Purdue system?"
You don't know that for sure (that he would be a mop-up player if he plays this season). He can potentially be a rotation player, backing up Swanigan or V. Edwards at the 4 and maybe even being the backup default 5 at times.
