Talent or Coaching
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Talent. DH2's recruiting classes were at the bottom of the B10. Many of these players simply are B10 caliber. Throw in depth issues and you have a team that fades down the stretch.
The final 2 and half minutes of this game was on the coaching. Pure and simple, we never should have lost this game. I could have coached us to victory in the last 2 and half minutes. Just let DJ Knox run the ball a few more times - get a second first down in that drive and we win. Go for it on 4th down if you have to. Nothing is 100% guaranteed, but why did Knox get pulled after he got the first down that caused Nebraska to start burning timeouts. Its killing me.
brohm was supposed to be an offensive genius but he came out in the first quarter and played the most vanilla offense i have ever seen. to top it off, he played not to lose on our last meaningful possesion. whoever is coaching the defensive backs needs to be fired. we knew they were passing every down and still they were highly succesful. our "prevent defense" prevented nothing but allowed them to march down the field and score. put this loss squareley on the coaching staff
It comes down to trust. He doesn't trust the team yet, and that's fair because it lacks talent to compete in the Big Ten. I also question why Purdue seems to abandon the run when it's clicking, but at some point the kids have to make plays. Way to many 3 and outs and dropped passes. The fact that Purdue was even in the game was impressive. We are seeing that the talent is so bad that if CJB doesn't call the perfect game, they lose. There is absolutely no margin for error.
As for the defense, losing Hunte and already being out TJ can't be understated. Purdue has almost no depth this year and has battled injuries.
Look, I know this loss hurts and they are piling up, but Purdue has been competitive and had a chance in every game. Looking at the roster and the circumstances that is pretty darn impressive. Especially when next year the offensive line and WR positions should make a significant jump. The question will be in replacing all of the seniors and leadership on defense. Purdue will once again have to turn to graduate transfers.
BOTH...just to clarify it has been the coaching, not the coach, that has had a couple of bad games. In no way am I saying we have a bad coach!
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I would say the answer is somewhere between “Brohm = Lombardi” and “Brohm is a bad coach”, but that would allow for rational thought.
Both. It was bad coaching at times. Staff also has not worked together for more than half a season. There is a dearth of talent we knew about as well.
Hate to lose, but miles ahead of last four years. We are competitive. We are improved. We aren't going to win big this year or next, but we will win some. As John Wooden said, "You can lose with talent, but you can't win without it." Coaches don't have a lot to work with at this point.
If our receivers catch the ball the last two games would not have been close. Instead we lose both of them.
Four weeks ago the coach was God what happened. Why so many turning their backs on him already. With that kind of fan support he won't be here long. Funny thing is Matt Painter had three to four Bad seasons in a row but nobody went off on him like this. I can recall people getting called trolls when they said anything bad about Matt Painter. Football's harder to coach than basketball more players to deal with. The coach will be fine let him get his players here before you guys crucify him.
I'm giving him a mulligan this year, before the season I had Rutgers as a win, Neb as a loss
Because they’ve seen alarmingly bad coaching decisions the last two weeks - things that most felt were remedied with the new staff.
Going away from the run when it’s working
Going ultra conservative on both O and D in the fourth
Things we all thought were a thing of the past...
We just don’t have the talent plain and simple. Coaches don’t have the faith in our players, so they have made the offense more vanilla each week in hopes that might work. We cannot execute a plain vanilla offense.
We have no depth, so an injury gets exploited. Hunte goes down and where does Nebraska start throwing the ball. I don’t care how many “stars” a QB might be. If we have WRs that cannot catch balls in the numbers and an OL that cannot give the QB time, it really does not matter who lines up under center.
We can have coaches with NFL game plans ready to go, but we don’t have the players to execute them right now. Our cupboard was left bare, it is going to take time unfortunately. We were all praying that 1997 part 2 would happen. It didn’t. Tiller had more talent to start out with. The future looks bright, but unfortunately is it the future, not the present.
We have no depth, so an injury gets exploited. Hunte goes down and where does Nebraska start throwing the ball. I don’t care how many “stars” a QB might be. If we have WRs that cannot catch balls in the numbers and an OL that cannot give the QB time, it really does not matter who lines up under center.
We can have coaches with NFL game plans ready to go, but we don’t have the players to execute them right now. Our cupboard was left bare, it is going to take time unfortunately. We were all praying that 1997 part 2 would happen. It didn’t. Tiller had more talent to start out with. The future looks bright, but unfortunately is it the future, not the present.
Bottom line is that the last 4 loses for Purdue is the other team made the plays when it counted and Purdue didn't. Who you put the blame on I don't know, but Damn lets make some plays at the critical time.
You asked why people were questioning the coaching now. I answered the question - we’ve seen some odd coaching calls the last 2 weeks.
It has nothing to do with Matt Painter
Just asking a question why so harsh on this new coach after a half of a season being here? When we watch Matt Painter after being here for 10 season not make the Tournament 2 years in a row then get bounced out in the first round two years in a row and not a thing was said. Why so harsh on this coach? And not the other.
I'm not dumb I understand Matt Painter has nothing to do with the football team. But he is a coach here at Purdue. It seems nobody can say anything bad about even when the times are bad.
And I'm okay with painter being Purdue's coach. I'm just wanting to know why the double standards.
Near as I can tell when Painter f's up there is no shortage of posts pointing it out.
I see Painter being called out on the football board pretty often, so I suppose that I will see Brohm called out on the basketball board in a couple of weeks... but somehow, I don't really foresee that happening so much.
I see Painter being called out on the football board pretty often, so I suppose that I will see Brohm called out on the basketball board in a couple of weeks... but somehow, I don't really foresee that happening so much.
Has anything I said Above This offended anybody? Because I'm having a hard time figuring out why I just got threatened to get blacklisted. I didn't think I said anything wrong please let me know what I said it was so wrong. Basically taking up for the football coach because people was dogging him. What's so wrong with that
I haven't verbally attacked anybody on this board like I've been attacked. He threatened to Blacklist me but you got other people on here that call people names talk about their grammar but all that's okay. Here's my response whatever.
Probably just time to take a break for a day or so. Your biggest fault is that you can't let anything go and take every comment as an attack on you personally. Need to try to take it all with a grain of salt and learn to walk away to play another day.
Coaching... Purdue faithful has been using excuses for years now. Every year now before the season all hype is Purdue will be better this year and all you buy into it. reminds me of this year's election hype it up and be decieved. When will you all learn? Save your money and give it to the less fortunate.
P.S. Don't forget next year you will hear the same old song and dance with same results.
P.S. Don't forget next year you will hear the same old song and dance with same results.
Not turning our backs on him just recognizing the last two and a half minutes are squarely on his shoulders. I like him and we’ll likely do well next yr. We also should have won the last two weeks if he adjusts his play and trusts his instincts.
I am not going to respond with frustration on my mind. Realistically speaking the talent is just not very good and very deep on this team. If we could mix in a few more players with the talent of Bentley and Robinson this team would be at six wins already. The coaching staff has to be vanilla at times because of the inability to catch a football and the lack of depth. Right now injuries are not doing any kindness to us either. I know it is frustrating that we are not winning these close games and we are all fans of the old gold and black. However for myself I need to be realistic and enjoy the fact that we are in these games and we actually look pretty good. The coaching staff is going after good recruits, even great recruits and landing much better talent than what is on the roster. Give it one more year maybe two and These kind of games are victories. No one is patient in society anymore, but I am grateful that we have a very good basketball program and we have the right coach in place to make the football team competitive once again! Go Boilers!
I've said this for YEARS now, but the biggest problem Purdue has is a lack of DEPTH. Purdue's recruiting hasn't been good over the past several years, but is there a respectable starting 11 on offense and defense? Sure, enough to be winning some games and be competitive against the lower/middle of the pack Big Ten (2/3 of the conference).
But football is not a game of 22 players. It's a physically demanding game and injuries are a part of the game. Look at Purdue over the past several years - it's not uncommon for Purdue to look "promising" or start with an at least decent record. But if you look at Purdue's record in October/November, it beyond stinks.
Now, part of it is that you're in the conference schedule which includes some tough opponents. But you also see Purdue play bad teams in that time - types of bad teams that Purdue has had success against earlier in the season, then look poor against later in the season.
This screams depth problems. Purdue's second string is a BIG drop off. And when you start having injuries, you don't have anyone to replace those people with. And not only that, but you don't just play a starting 11 in a game. So you maybe aren't cycling in players in the first half of the season as other teams may be. So in October, most teams players are still fresh, whereas some of Purdue's may be overworked because there isn't that rotation available to the team.
Until Purdue starts getting DEPTH, it's not going to be consistently competitive, and in particularly they will always have a drop-off as the season goes on. Now, you can still have fluke games, but that doesn't mean a whole lot. You look at the Michigan game now - and Michigan is still a good team - but it's a lot clearer now that the Michigan offense was more of the issue in keeping it a close game than Purdue playing exceptionally well.
There's some good things that you see with this team, but it's still a ways off from being an actual legit good team. I think it was easy to think it was going to be a quick turnaround based on the start of the season, but a few games don't tell the whole story, as we know.
I like your analysis, I think it is easy for all of us to get frustrated with the lack of success after such a great start. But I think it speaks volumes to watch this coaching staff will be able to do once they have talent and depth. I'm excited about next year just from the standpoint that I know we will have even a little bit more depth. And it will be a season four CJB's players and recruits to get their feet wet in his system. True the best results are yet to come in years three and four.
But Coach Tiller inherited some pretty darn good talent. This staff has and hair today dumpster fire, of which we should all be thankful that what is being put on the field on game day is very respectable. Sure we have snatch defeat from the jaws of victory recently but we are losing games by a few points or one or two plays I could have gone our way. The past couple years the game was over in the first quarter. Have a greatful ever true!
I just posted on this, but I don't think we're exactly "in the clear" in terms of a lack of talent. Our current recruiting class may be Brohm's recruits and perhaps they fit in better with his ideal systems than some of our current players - but half of our recruiting class are 2 star recruits. That's the same general make up of Hazell's and Hope's classes. We have 0 four star commits.
So this notion that next year is going to be better because we'll have better depth - I mean, I guess it is how you define "better" (like I said, his own recruits vs. inherited recruits), but talent-wise I'm not sure we've seen a noticeable shift in recruiting. Doesn't mean it can't happen in the future, but I certainly wouldn't act as if it is fixed.
As long as half of our roster is made up of 2 star recruits, we're only going to get so far particularly when depth matters so much in this sport.
The name of the game in college football is recruiting. We can call out the coaching staff and should, but recruiting has to improve. The players and the game day coaching have to share some of the blame for the loses the last 2 weeks. But the root cause is the talent level on the field.
Having said that, I don't recall so many passes dropped and it is up to the coaches to correct that and they have not. These players could catch in the past. Most of us learned to do that in grade school. Seems like the coaches should be able to coach this receiving core up instead of throwing in the towel.
My biggest concern is that the defense will take a step back next season with the loss of Bentley,Ezechukwu, McCollum, and Hunte. Will the offense improve enough to compensate? Not sure how yet. Brohm's 1st recruiting class doesn't look to change things unless he is better at find the "diamonds in the rough" than the last two coaches. The Oline getting better with experience is the only hope.
Having said that, I don't recall so many passes dropped and it is up to the coaches to correct that and they have not. These players could catch in the past. Most of us learned to do that in grade school. Seems like the coaches should be able to coach this receiving core up instead of throwing in the towel.
My biggest concern is that the defense will take a step back next season with the loss of Bentley,Ezechukwu, McCollum, and Hunte. Will the offense improve enough to compensate? Not sure how yet. Brohm's 1st recruiting class doesn't look to change things unless he is better at find the "diamonds in the rough" than the last two coaches. The Oline getting better with experience is the only hope.
the last two losses have been frustrating, but that has a lot to do with the higher expectations that the new staff has created since the beginning of the year.
for every play call i question as well, there have been plenty others that put the team into position to potentially win in the first place.
i expected 3 maybe 4 wins before the season, and that's where we stand with a month of games remaining. hope to see a strong finish to the year, and guys remaining healthy as possible
for every play call i question as well, there have been plenty others that put the team into position to potentially win in the first place.
i expected 3 maybe 4 wins before the season, and that's where we stand with a month of games remaining. hope to see a strong finish to the year, and guys remaining healthy as possible
Theres always two components to building a competitive roster. Recruiting able bodied talent and then player development. Last staff did very little of either. If we had a better roster, Brohm playing out the clock at the end would have absolutely the right choice. However a weary defense missing two key starters was set up to fail in that situation. Also, I have a feeling he did not want Blough trying to do too much and potentially throwing a pick on that final 3rd down.
1st, Brohm may not be able to spell Lombardi. 2nd, I put yesterday's loss, especially that last drive right on his shoulders. I had my doubts when he was hired and they're still there.
Sorry, but Painter couldn't eat at the local McDonald's for those few years. He was crucified.
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