Swanigan declares for NBA
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Except when it comes to UNC or UK.
The paranoia is understandable, but the NCAA cannot place themselves above the law. The law says that Barnes is Caleb's legal guardian. Barnes and Caleb have all of the rights that go with a father-son relationship. The NCAA can not infringe upon those rights. Barnes is a Purdue grad, so he's a smart guy, and he knows the rules.
While I think Vince is skilled and talented, he is indeed "far off the NBA" at this point...very far off...the guy was an Honorable Mention All-Conference selection...not All-American, but All-Conference...guys that are going to play (and make it) in the NBA not only do not disappear as he did at times for Purdue, but they dominate the game in college, and do so on a consistent basis.
He should declare and go through the process certainly, but he is not anywhere close to being a legitimate consideration at this point for playing in the NBA.
[QUOTE="NBA scouts are not going to give a big contract to an unproven player no way no how. The NBA favors players who stay in college until they are seniors and come out a star fully received (blaring talent aside).
Slowness is a huuuuge issue for Swanigan. It is going to be two years in college at minimum to get up to top college speed let alone NBA. His game can't hold up in the NBA until that is resolved and he would do himself major favors by remaining in college for 2 more years minimum. Shooting is average, inside play is far more difficult in NBA where speed and shooting ability are much more important. Rebounding ability fades into obscurity with capable rebounders everywhere. Shooting, speed, talent, size to athletic ratio. Swanigan needs to work to greatly improve his speed, and to become a better shooter, and a better all-round athlete before putting himself on NBA market. Hammons played it smart. He is coming out a far far better player this year than last and instead of being mediocre he is coming out probably the best center in NCAA this year. It pays to stays.[/QUOTE]
Actually, NBA teams give big contracts to unproven players on an annual basis...and they do not favor players who stay in college, it is the opposite in that guys that stay have their games picked apart.
Caleb has things to work on for certain, but he has things in his favor as well...age being the greatest, as well as measurables (like wingspan). He can handle the ball and get up and down the floor, and while he is not a knock down shooter, he can shoot the ball and will continue to improve in that regard. Is he ready for the NBA right now? Not at all, but neither are Deyonte Davis or Skal Labissiere, each of who have been projected to be lottery picks.
Slowness is a huuuuge issue for Swanigan. It is going to be two years in college at minimum to get up to top college speed let alone NBA. His game can't hold up in the NBA until that is resolved and he would do himself major favors by remaining in college for 2 more years minimum. Shooting is average, inside play is far more difficult in NBA where speed and shooting ability are much more important. Rebounding ability fades into obscurity with capable rebounders everywhere. Shooting, speed, talent, size to athletic ratio. Swanigan needs to work to greatly improve his speed, and to become a better shooter, and a better all-round athlete before putting himself on NBA market. Hammons played it smart. He is coming out a far far better player this year than last and instead of being mediocre he is coming out probably the best center in NCAA this year. It pays to stays.[/QUOTE]
Actually, NBA teams give big contracts to unproven players on an annual basis...and they do not favor players who stay in college, it is the opposite in that guys that stay have their games picked apart.
Caleb has things to work on for certain, but he has things in his favor as well...age being the greatest, as well as measurables (like wingspan). He can handle the ball and get up and down the floor, and while he is not a knock down shooter, he can shoot the ball and will continue to improve in that regard. Is he ready for the NBA right now? Not at all, but neither are Deyonte Davis or Skal Labissiere, each of who have been projected to be lottery picks.
Actually, NBA teams give big contracts to unproven players on an annual basis...and they do not favor players who stay in college, it is the opposite in that guys that stay have their games picked apart.
Caleb has things to work on for certain, but he has things in his favor as well...age being the greatest, as well as measurables (like wingspan). He can handle the ball and get up and down the floor, and while he is not a knock down shooter, he can shoot the ball and will continue to improve in that regard. Is he ready for the NBA right now? Not at all, but neither are Deyonte Davis or Skal Labissiere, each of who have been projected to be lottery picks.[/QUOTE]
I agree completely about his age and wing span. His shooting has a long ways to go. IMHO his biggest disadvantage is his lack of explosiveness. He is actually slow footed and very deliberate at this stage. At the next level he would have a hard time even getting a shot off in the paint. The others you mentioned (Davis, Skal) are the exact opposite. They are explosive and quick footed around the basket. That's why their draft status is much higher right now.
Obviously the first reaction to hearing that he didn't hire an agent is one of reassurance, but I tried to find out exactly what the rule book states on this. Here is what I found:
NCAA Bylaw 12.3.1 (General Rule) states that an individual shall be ineligible for participation in an intercollegiate sport if he or she ever has agreed (orally or in writing) to be represented by an agent for the purpose of marketing his or her athletics ability or reputation in that sport. Further, an agency contract not specifically limited in writing to a sport or particular sports shall be deemed applicable to all sports, and the individual shall be ineligible to participate in any sport.
While "hiring" (i.e. paying for professional services) clearly voids the eligibility, the rule itself doesn't reference "hiring" an agent, it speaks to being "represented" by an agent. Sure, one could debate where exactly you draw the line on what constitutes representation, but the rule reads as though if Barnes engages in the marketing activities that an agent would do - such as talking with teams, shoe companies, or whatever else agents do - that could be construed as a violation of the rule. That said, I'm sure Barnes knows what activities would clearly be across the line and is smart enough to not botch it, but based solely on the wording, I don't think Biggie/Barnes necessarily have a free pass to do whatever just because of the guardianship.
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If your fears were justified, Caleb would have not have cleared the NCAA clearinghouse and would have been ineligible to play for Purdue this season.
NBA talent doesn't always mean a college player has to be a star. Troy Williams was 3rd team B1G and projected around a 2nd round pick. Vince isn't far off of him and Vince is a year younger.
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Maybe I wasn't clear... I wasn't suggesting the fact that his guardian is an agent is - in and of itself - any kind of issue that would impact his eligibility. I was stating that - based on how I read the rule - I don't think Biggie and Barnes have absolute free reign to do whatever they want over the summer "just because" of their relationship. In other words, I don't think Barnes can essentially act as an agent for him - and do everything an agent would do - and have it be overlooked simply because Barnes is his legal guardian. It's basically the same situation Mike Conley was in when he declared early. His dad was an agent, but I don't believe his dad was allowed to be out negotiating with shoe companies and whatnot just because he was Conley's father as opposed to a for-hire professional. In other words, it's a great resource to have at your disposal, but I don't think it warrants a free pass for things that would otherwise disqualify other kids. Again, going by nothing more than what's stated in the rule book, which like all other rule books, is open to interpretation.
Correct me if I am wrong but, the only guaranteed contracts are to 1st rounders. So basically everything is moot unless some teams goes nuts and say I want you now-unlikely. It is a great tool for Biggie to see and assess what he needs to work on just like AJ. last year. Betcha his next year will be awesome.
Troy Williams is projected solely on his freakish athleticism and size, opposed to actual production. While comparable with respect to what they can do on the floor certainly, Vince is not close to the athlete that Williams is unfortunately...ironically, he is/likely will be a better player.
Maybe he should talk to Glenn Robinson III. Listening to agents and leaving before he was ready didn't work out so well.
Meh, it's just as fun to speculate and 90% of the time GBI doesn't know more than anyone else and just guesses, which is why they've been wrong on several things.
He signed a 3 year deal with Pacers. 2nd and 3rd years are not guaranteed. He is making $1.1 million this season.
I don't know if this is good or bad for him just wanted to clarify that he is in the league making some money.
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