How many of you still believe Sumlin would have been a good choice?
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I was always in the minority by saying that I did not want Sumlin. The guy has never won without an ELITE quarterback. Look at Houston when Keenum was hurt early in the season; Their roster still contained 3 1,000yd WRs and 2 1,000yd RBs from the prior season but he couldn’t find a way to do anything on offense once the player he’d inherited was out & he had to play one of his own recruits. A similar thing happened at A&M once Johnny Football left...
I’ll admit that I was on Sumlin’s bandwagon after Hazell was canned. At the time he had won 70% of his games as HC at T A&M and thought he would do well at Purdue, especially with recruiting.
It seems his biggest loss was his DC at A&M. The guy he has now is just plain bad.
I am so glad we got Brohm and not Sumlin. We have an excellent coaching staff and our recruiting has improved considerably. We have a fun, multiple-style offense and a defense that can be among the best the school has had in 40 years. Holt gave up 19 ppg in 2017, which for Purdue is phenomenal.
To gr8, if you’re reading this. You were right....
When it became clear that Brohm was the front-runner I was all-in. He is the right coach for Purdue.
Anybody was better than Hazell.... the fan base was hungry for anybody with a pulse, especially one with Purdue ties
I'll agree with that. Not to beat a dead horse. But I'll never understand how Hazell came as highly recommended as he did. I guess he was the budget choice for Morg...
When our job came open, Sumlin had a very similar career record as Akers did when he left Texas for us. That dampened my enthusiasm for him.
Before I make my remarks, I'll say: I get it. This is a forum. As fans we have opinions. As fans we also should recognize we're ignorant as hell about the process, about what it takes to be successful at Purdue, and ignorant as hell as to what goes on behind the scenes.
With that said... This should be a lesson for all those who are adamant as hell that "their guy" (LES MILES!) should be hired to take the reigns at Purdue.
It also should be a wake up call to understand how hard it is to find the right chemistry for a coaching staff. Sumlin has been very successful. Hazell was successful. Others have been successful. Yet, we have the all-knowing, self-proclaimed experts on this forum who could do it better than the ones who are paid to do the job.
*sigh*...
Okay. Rant over. For now.
But, it should be a good dose of medicine for the back-benchers who think they have all the answers. (Myself included.)
With that said... This should be a lesson for all those who are adamant as hell that "their guy" (LES MILES!) should be hired to take the reigns at Purdue.
It also should be a wake up call to understand how hard it is to find the right chemistry for a coaching staff. Sumlin has been very successful. Hazell was successful. Others have been successful. Yet, we have the all-knowing, self-proclaimed experts on this forum who could do it better than the ones who are paid to do the job.
*sigh*...
Okay. Rant over. For now.
But, it should be a good dose of medicine for the back-benchers who think they have all the answers. (Myself included.)
This is harsh, but Sumlin is football's Cuonzo Martin. You can't just be a good recruiter.
So if I’m reading that correctly, Sumlin kept the DC from the previous regime, and he’s awful?
And yet a bunch of Knuckleheads want Cuonzo as Purdue’s MBB coach.
At TAMU, given how good their recruiting is, he really underachieved.
Well said. I really think a lot of those who pushed for Miles(and to a somewhat lesser extent Sumlin) believe that success in recruiting at those traditional powerhouse programs would've automatically transferred to Purdue.
Not going to claim that I knew all along that Brohm was the ideal choice but he was certainly in a small group of those I favored. He's assembled a really good staff who all seem to be on the same page. It's very telling to see the types of kids who Purdue has had success in recruiting and the comments often seen/heard from them about honesty.
Man, hindsight is 20/20. What if the administration had opened the change purse for Danny Hope?..or Tiller's final years for that matter. I would have been happy with Sumlin and still believe he would have been a great hire. *mumble..Hazell bullshit..mumble, I'm glad we have Brohm.
Also, in hindsight. I keep my avatar as a row boat to remember when I wanted Purdue to hire Fleck. GG no way that bullshitter would have worked here.
Also, in hindsight. I keep my avatar as a row boat to remember when I wanted Purdue to hire Fleck. GG no way that bullshitter would have worked here.
Never got the whole Miles thing. I got a real close look at the Mad Hatter every week and was convinced I could do equality as well with the talent LSU gets for football. He would have not been a good choice for Purdue. It could have even been disastrous. Dude is nuts.
He really turned off Bobinski and Berghoff when they talked to him. It seems he tried to “big time” them and they weren’t impressed. He came across as pompous and he wanted premium dollars.
I actually wanted Brohm from the beginning of the 2016 season, but would have been OK with Fleck.
Although I think PJ Fleck will be a good coach at Minnesota and might have been OK for Purdue, there is no way I could have bought into a "row the boat" philosophy and his constant cheerleading. It would have been annoying as #$&#...
I was never good with Fleck. His style would not work at Purdue and the b.s. with “Year 0” would really not have gone over well. Let the Gophers have ‘Lil PJ. They deserve him. I am elated we have Brohm and his staff. I love his offense.
I think Sumlin would have been just fine here. Hell of a recruiter (which was a big plus over Hope, Haze) and would have brought in some good QB prospects. Gotta remember, he somehow convinced the 2 best 5 star QBs to come to his program at the same time (one was Kyler Murray) when he was at A&M. The Khalil Tate kid he is playing really does not fit his system IMO and the W/L record might suffer with that.
He has battled some demons off the field with alcoholism but he seems to be a generally decent guy outside of that.
He would be "on brand" so far as what he emphasized with a high powered offense.
I am glad we have Brohm but I feel we could have done a lot worse than Sumlin in a potential coaching search. I mean, we basically did with the previous 2 coaching hires to Brohm. I think Sumlin would have EASILY had us at least 6-6 the past 2 years. I think Brohm is doing it a better way....but the on field results need to start showing 3 years in
He has battled some demons off the field with alcoholism but he seems to be a generally decent guy outside of that.
He would be "on brand" so far as what he emphasized with a high powered offense.
I am glad we have Brohm but I feel we could have done a lot worse than Sumlin in a potential coaching search. I mean, we basically did with the previous 2 coaching hires to Brohm. I think Sumlin would have EASILY had us at least 6-6 the past 2 years. I think Brohm is doing it a better way....but the on field results need to start showing 3 years in
I never got the impression Sumlin developed his players well. Once the Sherman recruits were out of the system, the lines went to hell.
My biggest concern with Sumlin would be the DC and the defensive scheme. Not sure he would have been 6-6 both years. And much of that is due to personnel available. Sumlin probably doesn’t get Rondale Moore....
Good assistants would help there...
At the end of the day, I think there are SO MANY things that could go wrong with a seemingly good HC hire. Hazell was clearly not ready...but had he hired somebody different than Shoop as his OC his teams would have been vastly better and we would have likely kept some recruiting momentum heading forward through that era. Probably results not vastly different than Hope....but better than bottom of the trash can while he was here.
I like that things are going right under the current guy and support him 100%. Just simply saying that Sumlin would have been fine here and I don't think I am crazy to say he'd easily be 13-13 (or better) if he were the head coach here now. I think the true question would be about the trajectory of the program going into year 3. We are clearly recruiting better and primed to play better. It doesn't seem like Sumlin has been able to keep that going at programs he has inherited....but you never know if that is the real book on him or that circumstances at each place have led to that.
Again....and I'll say it....I think we hit a homerun and hired the best guy for us when our spot on the coaching carousel came up this time. We needed a long term, tear down and culture build up like Brohm has done. Sumlin was not THAT kind of guy but he's also the guy that could win 7-9 games here and generally have his team pretty competitive, even if it was for a 3-6 year span.
Agree there, but there was no reason for Sumlin not to have good assistants. TAMU has unlimited resources to devote to football.
Both valid points. That said, I think Sumlin would have landed us a big time top 10 QB though. Not that we need that with Blough/Sindelar covering the first 4 years of Brohm….but I am worried about life after those guys right now.
I don't disagree. I look back at Sumlin's time at TAMU though as him having 1 BIG issue.....Nick Saban. But if you look at that SEC West over the past 6 years, every single coach in the division has either lost their job or left because they had to play him every year and it kept their teams from reaching the promised land. I think it's a big reason that a lot of coaches (including Brohm) gave pause to the Tennessee job because they have to play Bama every year even thought they are in the opposite division. Makes it harder to win your side of the conference....and then you'd likely have to beat them twice in a year just to win the SEC....and maybe even 3x in a year to win a Championship.
Even Kirby Smart, a Saban protégé at a program VERY well equipped to overcome all of the other challenges can't seem to get past him.
TAMU fans will soon grow tired of Jimbo Fisher there as well. I don't find it likely that he will get over the hump and regularly win that division. At least not until Saban is gone and then it might be too late.
Everyone has a Nick Saban problem except Dabo.
Sumlin having a Hugh Freeze, Dan Mullen and Gary Pinkel problem probably got him canned.
Anybody would have an upgrade over the Haze...
I'll just say the Haze daze made me quit watching Purdue football for the first time in I can't remember how long. Decades. It was Hope-less. We couldn't be worse, but could be Miles better. Some would catch a lot of Fleck if the boat didn't row. Sumlin was better than nothin, but our new coach is the Brohm!
I will admit that I liked Miles and Sumlin as well (I also wanted Butch Jones when Hazell was hired). My list for the last coaching hire went as follows:
1. Miles
2. Sumlin
3. Brohm
*fifty feet of sh*t*
4. Anyone other than Pj Fleck
1. Miles
2. Sumlin
3. Brohm
*fifty feet of sh*t*
4. Anyone other than Pj Fleck
I see what you did there. By the way, which ones Pink?
As stated earlier Brohm was among my top choices to replace the Haze. I never liked Fleck or Miles but had some others in mind that weren't really on the popular radar. Toledo's coach(Candle), the Memphis coach(Norvell) and, ironically, the coach who Purdue faces Friday(Jay Norvell) all were up and coming types who I felt would be good fits. Of those three I think Candle may be the one to move on to a bigger program next season.
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