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Still Blaming Officiating?

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Anyone gonna blame another loss on officiating? We have issues at guard and making shots, that is why we have lost, not officials. Plus our defensive stopper cannot ever stop Hood.

I hope we get one of next 2 and claim the Big 10, but we will be lucky to get by 2nd game of NCAA.
 
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Anyone gonna blame another loss on officiating? We have issues at guard and making shots, that is why we have lost, not officials. Plus our defensive stopper cannot ever stop Hood.

I hope we get one of next 2 and claim the Big 10, but we will be lucky to get by 2nd game of NCAA.
The NW game is the only loss this year that you could blame on the officiating.

We need more production at the 2 and 3 spots.
 
Officiating had nothing to do with the loss. Terrible second half. Missed a lot of FTs and could not make a shot. Hodd Schifino is the real deal. Painter needs to make some adjustments, but doubt he will.
 
Officiating had nothing to do with the loss. Terrible second half. Missed a lot of FTs and could not make a shot. Hodd Schifino is the real deal. Painter needs to make some adjustments, but doubt he will.
Edey has limitations defensively that pretty much force us to play that drop coverage when he’s in. When JHS is hitting that midrange, we really can’t stop it.
 
Anyone gonna blame another loss on officiating? We have issues at guard and making shots, that is why we have lost, not officials. Plus our defensive stopper cannot ever stop Hood.

I hope we get one of next 2 and claim the Big 10, but we will be lucky to get by 2nd game of NCAA.
Not this game, not tonight. This loss was on us and the way we played.
 
Anyone gonna blame another loss on officiating? We have issues at guard and making shots, that is why we have lost, not officials. Plus our defensive stopper cannot ever stop Hood.

I hope we get one of next 2 and claim the Big 10, but we will be lucky to get by 2nd game of NCAA.
Did not see or read one comment to that affect regarding that with regards to this game.
 
Edey has limitations defensively that pretty much force us to play that drop coverage when he’s in. When JHS is hitting that midrange, we really can’t stop it.
That’s true against certain opponents. Zach doesn’t need to be as soft in his drop coverage if you don’t have TJD behind it. You’re 100% right tonight but the lost of oppornents who can exploit it as IU did is fairly short.
 
Did not see or read one comment to that affect regarding that with regards to this game.
Totally Ghost.

Posted this in that other thread and sorry for sounding like a broken record but:

Couple posters really seem to be enjoying mentioning "anyone wanna blame this one on the refs?"

Have not heard or seen any Purdue people doing so. This was nothing like the Northwestern and Maryland games where the refs absolutely influenced those two outcomes.

Purdue was truly brutal from 3 pt and the FT line = game over. Even with as amazing as JHS was, anything even close to average from 3, or a bit better at the stripe and the outcome is likely different

Pretty horrible defense and rotations in this one too
 
Edey has limitations defensively that pretty much force us to play that drop coverage when he’s in. When JHS is hitting that midrange, we really can’t stop it.
Like to see him in the middle of a 2 - 3 zone every once and awhile. Could stop the high post pick that has been killing us lately!
 
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I believe that officiating did influence strongly the outcome of the IU game. However, it was not the officiating of the IU game. Refs in earlier games allowed Purdue players, particularly the Purdue guards to be beaten up. Those beatings took a physical toll from which they are still suffering. I believe that cumulative fatigue is affecting their shooting. It is fair to say that freshmen "...hit a wall." The problem is that the beatings made the wall come sooner and harder.
 
They still has hands on Smith every time he tries to turn the corner, so ya the officials can make it harder for us , but we need to be tougher and stronger
 
I believe that officiating did influence strongly the outcome of the IU game. However, it was not the officiating of the IU game. Refs in earlier games allowed Purdue players, particularly the Purdue guards to be beaten up. Those beatings took a physical toll from which they are still suffering. I believe that cumulative fatigue is affecting their shooting. It is fair to say that freshmen "...hit a wall." The problem is that the beatings made it the wall come sooner and harder.
May have been doing this team a favor.
 
Just hope that we find our shots again, sport is very much a what have you done for me lately thing. Kind of ignoring that we had the best start in school history and played ourselves from un ranked to number 1. Yea it’s been a tough two weeks, let’s see where it goes. Guaranteed wt worst a share of the conference title, pretty damn good for a rebuilding year.
 
Anyone gonna blame another loss on officiating? We have issues at guard and making shots, that is why we have lost, not officials. Plus our defensive stopper cannot ever stop Hood.

I hope we get one of next 2 and claim the Big 10, but we will be lucky to get by 2nd game of NCAA.

Sure B10 officiating is just wonderful. They are consament professionals who are unaffected by home crowds, personal biases or by gambling dollars. We are all blessed by their work.



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If we had hit just a few more of those 3-pointers, this would have looked like a different game. We shot poorly from the outside. We had open shots but could not nail them.
You could say that about every loss in the history of basketball. Yeh, hit a few more shots and it's a different game. Duh.
 
You could say that about every loss in the history of basketball. Yeh, hit a few more shots and it's a different game. Duh.

The point is it wasn’t a blowout and we were in it until the end despite our poor play. Nobody is saying we deserved to have won or making an excuse. Just a little bit of improvement would make us pretty hard to beat.
 
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Edey has limitations defensively that pretty much force us to play that drop coverage when he’s in. When JHS is hitting that midrange, we really can’t stop it.
There are several things that could have been tried but weren't. I've been around here too long to go down that rabbit hole, but I will say that putting Newman on him instead of Morton is not the only thing that could have been tried. CMP won't do it, but there were other options to try other than just putting a different guy on him.

Granted, outcome could have been the same, but we'll never know.....
 
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The point is it wasn’t a blowout and we were in it until the end despite our poor play. Nobody is saying we deserved to have won or making an excuse. Just a little bit of improvement would make us pretty hard to beat.
Purdue been scouted and how to play D against them is now well known:
Pressure and play really physical with the guards, double the post, leave Morton open and make Loyer put it on the floor.
 
Purdue been scouted and how to play D against them is now well known:
Pressure and play really physical with the guards, double the post, leave Morton open and make Loyer put it on the floor.
Yeah, Morton’s man doubling Zach isn’t going away until he starts consistently hitting the 3 ball.
 
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The point is it wasn’t a blowout and we were in it until the end despite our poor play. Nobody is saying we deserved to have won or making an excuse. Just a little bit of improvement would make us pretty hard to beat.
Wasn't a blowput but Indiana controlled the game the 2nd half and kept it about 10 points for most of the half.
 
Yeah, Morton’s man doubling Zach isn’t going away until he starts consistently hitting the 3 ball.
Morton's not going to magically become a 45-50% 3 pt shooter. Any team will be happy to let him launch 5-6 threes. Clearly teams are going to leave him open on the double team and hope that's where Edey goes with the pass.
 
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Wasn't a blowput but Indiana controlled the game the 2nd half and kept it about 10 points for most of the half.

Sure but the point is that with it that close all Purdue had to do was hit 1-2 of those open shots and Indiana is no longer in control. Esp because (as Painter likes to point out) that would have allowed our defense to get set and prevented IU from getting in transition which is an obvious weakness of ours.

I know we don’t have great shooting, but we are better than we were on Saturday. Sometimes those shots just don’t fall.
 
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Morton's not going to magically become a 45-50% 3 pt shooter. Any team will be happy to let him launch 5-6 threes. Clearly teams are going to leave him open on the double team and hope that's where Edey goes with the pass.
What I would like to see in this situation is for Morton to drive and if someone helps off their man to stop the drive, kick out to the man they left or maybe he can get into range for a 15 footer and knock that down. At least it wouldn’t be an empty trip.
 
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Morton's not going to magically become a 45-50% 3 pt shooter. Any team will be happy to let him launch 5-6 threes. Clearly teams are going to leave him open on the double team and hope that's where Edey goes with the pass.
He doesn’t have to get to 45%. 36-38% would be good enough.
 
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What I would like to see in this situation is for Morton to drive and if someone helps off their man to stop the drive, kick out to the man they left or maybe he can get into range for a 15 footer and knock that down. At least it wouldn’t be an empty trip.
I can count on 1 hand the number of times Morton has taken it hard to the hole with the intention of scoring or drawing a foul. It's just not part of his game. He's a pass first, pass second player and unfortunately, the other team knows this and is going to hedge the D away from him and make it tougher on other guys.
 
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I can count on 1 hand the number of times Morton has taken it hard to the hole with the intention of scoring or drawing a foul. It's just not part of his game. He's a pass first, pass second player and unfortunately, the other team knows this and is going to hedge the D away from him and make it tougher on other guys.
Oh yeah, it’s a pipe dream. But it’s just what I wish would happen.
 
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Purdue been scouted and how to play D against them is now well known:
Pressure and play really physical with the guards, double the post, leave Morton open and make Loyer put it on the floor.
Dare the entire Purdue roster to put it on the floor.

Morton, Jenkins, Gillis, Kaufman-Renn, and Furst won't dribble-drive.

Smith can and will be good, but currently turns it over a lot off the bounce. Loyer and Newman can do a little, but it's still their lesser skill. If Edey bounces it there's the chance to double him.

That's it.
 
Sure but the point is that with it that close all Purdue had to do was hit 1-2 of those open shots and Indiana is no longer in control. Esp because (as Painter likes to point out) that would have allowed our defense to get set and prevented IU from getting in transition which is an obvious weakness of ours.

I know we don’t have great shooting, but we are better than we were on Saturday. Sometimes those shots just don’t fall.
Actually this type of shooting from three has happened a number of times in the past ten games.
 
Actually this type of shooting from three has happened a number of times in the past ten games.
Tired legs I suspect. Smith, Loyer, Gills and Furst are all good shooters. In the IU game none of them could throw a rock into the ocean, etc. If they had shot like they did during the first half of the season, we could have walked away with a V.
 
Tired legs I suspect. Smith, Loyer, Gills and Furst are all good shooters. In the IU game none of them could throw a rock into the ocean, etc. If they had shot like they did during the first half of the season, we could have walked away with a V.
They had a week off before the iu game......they're 18-22 year olds. They don't get tired legs.
 
They had a week off before the iu game......they're 18-22 year olds. They don't get tired legs.
Are you ok? Do you need a hug?

Your statement above is just silly. In addition to the 'common knowledge' that players can wear down during the season, there's been scientific research to show that that's the case.

I'm not saying that's why this team is missing shots but saying that college players 'don't get tired legs' is simply not true.
 
They had a week off before the iu game......they're 18-22 year olds. They don't get tired legs.

Are you ok? Do you need a hug?

Your statement above is just silly. In addition to the 'common knowledge' that players can wear down during the season, there's been scientific research to show that that's the case.

I'm not saying that's why this team is missing shots but saying that college players 'don't get tired legs' is simply not true.

Mike Woodson was asked about whether he was worried TJD was being overused and getting tired after carrying the team in the B1G tourney last year,

Interviewer: "Trayce Jackson Davis, even though he played pretty heavy minutes yesterday, he responded with what I assume were pretty tired legs."
Woody: "Well hell, he's 20 years old. Shit, he should be able to respond. He's a young man."

Now mentally tired because it's a lot for a young player that hasn't been through it before? Yes, that I agree with.
 
Mike Woodson was asked about whether he was worried TJD was being overused and getting tired after carrying the team in the B1G tourney last year,

Interviewer: "Trayce Jackson Davis, even though he played pretty heavy minutes yesterday, he responded with what I assume were pretty tired legs."
Woody: "Well hell, he's 20 years old. Shit, he should be able to respond. He's a young man."

Now mentally tired because it's a lot for a young player that hasn't been through it before? Yes, that I agree with.
Well if 93 year old Mike Woodson says it, it must be true 🤣 Hell, Woodson thinks Izzo is a young man.

Coaches want to make sure that players don't use it as an excuse because everyone is tired and you're right, they just have to get through it. Agree that it's more difficult mentally if you haven't been through it before.
 
Well if 93 year old Mike Woodson says it, it must be true 🤣 Hell, Woodson thinks Izzo is a young man.

Coaches want to make sure that players don't use it as an excuse because everyone is tired and you're right, they just have to get through it. Agree that it's more difficult mentally if you haven't been through it before.
Stop slurping Izzo! He's about five years older than Woody. Fran and Woody are also basically the same age.

And Woody could definitely kick Izzo's ass in a game of one on one old man basketball.
 
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Tired legs I suspect. Smith, Loyer, Gills and Furst are all good shooters. In the IU game none of them could throw a rock into the ocean, etc. If they had shot like they did during the first half of the season, we could have walked away with a V.
Furst is not a good shooter
 
Dare the entire Purdue roster to put it on the floor.

Morton, Jenkins, Gillis, Kaufman-Renn, and Furst won't dribble-drive.

Smith can and will be good, but currently turns it over a lot off the bounce. Loyer and Newman can do a little, but it's still their lesser skill. If Edey bounces it there's the chance to double him.

That's it.
good post, been saying all year we have too many stand around shooters
 
You could say that about every loss in the history of basketball. Yeh, hit a few more shots and it's a different game. Duh.
It's different when they're good shots. I'd say at least 80% of our shots would be considered quality looks. It's different when you shoot 35% with most of them being contested or bail-out attempts.
 
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Well if 93 year old Mike Woodson says it, it must be true 🤣 Hell, Woodson thinks Izzo is a young man.

Coaches want to make sure that players don't use it as an excuse because everyone is tired and you're right, they just have to get through it. Agree that it's more difficult mentally if you haven't been through it before.
Isn’t Izzo younger than Woodson? Without looking that would be my guess.
 
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