Smoke Signals again for some new recruits....

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Seems with Tayvonn Kyle adn Evander Craft stepping away from their commitments, a few players may be ready to jump on board with Brohm and Purdue! Hopefully it is a few guys who can step in immediately next season and provide a big time boost to return to a bowl game next season like Rondale Moore, Taylor, or McDuffie on the defensive side.

 

[PaBoiler78]

Seems with Tayvonn Kyle adn Evander Craft stepping away from their commitments, a few players may be ready to jump on board with Brohm and Purdue! Hopefully it is a few guys who can step in immediately next season and provide a big time boost to return to a bowl game next season like Rondale Moore, Taylor, or McDuffie on the defensive side.

I'll guess Taylor takes Kyle's spot and McDuffie takes Craft. Also hoping for Alexander.

 

[FirstDownB]

Don't forget we are still +3 over for 2018. Perhaps this also means somebody is going to make grades that was on the fence. May be a smaller class than originally planned, which to me is a good sign. Take a player who has been through a year in the system over an unknown recruit any day (with all else being equal).

 

[nat100]

Don't forget we are still +3 over for 2018. Perhaps this also means somebody is going to make grades that was on the fence. May be a smaller class than originally planned, which to me is a good sign. Take a player who has been through a year in the system over an unknown recruit any day (with all else being equal).

Disagree. The players Brohm inherited were recruited to whatever system Shoop/Malone tried to run. They dont fit what Brohm wants to do and he has to change his system to fit them. I would prefer he get his guys in here faster and have no problem with him telling a current scholarship player it might be best if they looked elsewhere.

 

[FirstDownB]

Disagree. The players Brohm inherited were recruited to whatever system Shoop/Malone tried to run. They dont fit what Brohm wants to do and he has to change his system to fit them. I would prefer he get his guys in here faster and have no problem with him telling a current scholarship player it might be best if they looked elsewhere.

With regards to certain upperclassmen that might be the case. The 2017 class (current freshman class) obviously doesn't fit into that category nor do the JuCo's since Brohm recruited them. Freshmen and JuCo's tend to be your highest risks academically and were my point of comparison for someone making grades who was on the fence. I'll take my chances with any of our current freshmen LB over Craft. WR's Edwards, Hamilton, Anthrop, and Sparks definitely over Kyle. Franklin and Catlett are probably a wash, but again at least they are more of a known commodity to the staff at this point.

If you can get a game changer at this point, great. Otherwise, I'd rather see an average commit look elsewhere than lose a freshman to academics. That was my point.

 

[Wolegib]

of the freshman class , only Sipe Mackey and Allstott were Hazell recruits. All of the other signees (jucos, transfers, recruits) were recruited by Brohm for his system..

yes Brohm could suggest to a player to leave, and yes a player could become academically ineligible. but the likelihood an upper classmen becomes ineligible is rather low. and unlike previous years, the police blotter for football players has been rather low, and suspensions due to positive drug tests has been rather low.

I don't believe the attrition rate is going to be a big as it has been in the past. Brohm already weeded out the majority of the swamp last year.

I believe the highest likely player who would leave due to academics would be a freshman or juco. and those would be players Brohm brought to Purdue to fit his system. The Hazell era is over. the players who stayed, stayed because they either bought into Brohm. or want a Purdue degree.

We are now down to 3 over, and our incoming class has remained under 25. I hate to say this, but I'm going to speculate again, that our incoming class is going to be lower than expected , and will be 22-23 players. and our attrition will also be lower than predicted, as several players brought their grades up and will remain.

 

[ChuckJr]

I respectfully disagree. There are at least 10 on the roster who are not contributing and could leave or be counseled out. If I'm the CEO of the football program, I don't think I would want deadwood on the roster. there are players on the roster now who were given a chance to get better. Brohm could not afford to get rid of every Hazell recruit or he would have had no depth. I did the same thing 4 years ago when I bought a business with lots of underperforming personnel. After 2 years, we only had about 30% left. They bought in, got raises, got promotions and are part of our team.

 

[Wolegib]

I respectfully disagree. There are at least 10 on the roster who are not contributing and could leave or be counseled out. If I'm the CEO of the football program, I don't think I would want deadwood on the roster. there are players on the roster now who were given a chance to get better. Brohm could not afford to get rid of every Hazell recruit or he would have had no depth. I did the same thing 4 years ago when I bought a business with lots of underperforming personnel. After 2 years, we only had about 30% left. They bought in, got raises, got promotions and are part of our team.

I can agree with your statement. However, Brohm was given a new restriction. he can encourage non-contributors to leave. he could also find potential schools and make some calls. and yes, there are probably 10-15 non contributors. but under the new rules imposed for power 5 teams, he can't just yank a scholarship unless the player mutually agrees or is disqualified because of drugs or academic performance. I believe there are players Brohm wants to get rid of, but unfortunately, some of them will remain.

if it was my son, and the coach approached me and said my son wasn't going to play, and it would be best for my son to go to some other school so that he could get more playing time, my reply would be thank you for that information. I knew when he was offered the scholarship that he'd never start, and both my son and I knew that going in. but I want my son to have a Purdue degree rather than transferring to ISU. a contract is a contract. and he's staying whether he plays or not.

I suspect there are many non-contributors on Alabama's team. and some probably signed just so they can get a ring and be on a national championship team. I'm sure Saban wants to get rid of a bunch of his players. but legally, he now has restrictions.

my son has an academic scholarship. that scholarship is only good for one school. he's also an athlete. if he came home and said he hates his coach and wants to transfer, my response as a parent would be NO !!!! he would not transfer unless he received an equal scholarship to attend and equal academic school. now if Michigan or Stanford were to offer, as a parent, I'd accept that scholarship, and NEVER give it up.

I suspect some of those non-contributors share the same opinion. You might want them gone as they may appear as a wasted scholarship. But they are using that scholarship to get a Purdue degree. and for many, that Purdue degree means a lot more than playing time on a football team.

 

[pastorjoeboggs]

I can agree with your statement. However, Brohm was given a new restriction. he can encourage non-contributors to leave. he could also find potential schools and make some calls. and yes, there are probably 10-15 non contributors. but under the new rules imposed for power 5 teams, he can't just yank a scholarship unless the player mutually agrees or is disqualified because of drugs or academic performance. I believe there are players Brohm wants to get rid of, but unfortunately, some of them will remain.

if it was my son, and the coach approached me and said my son wasn't going to play, and it would be best for my son to go to some other school so that he could get more playing time, my reply would be thank you for that information. I knew when he was offered the scholarship that he'd never start, and both my son and I knew that going in. but I want my son to have a Purdue degree rather than transferring to ISU. a contract is a contract. and he's staying whether he plays or not.

I suspect there are many non-contributors on Alabama's team. and some probably signed just so they can get a ring and be on a national championship team. I'm sure Saban wants to get rid of a bunch of his players. but legally, he now has restrictions.

my son has an academic scholarship. that scholarship is only good for one school. he's also an athlete. if he came home and said he hates his coach and wants to transfer, my response as a parent would be NO !!!! he would not transfer unless he received an equal scholarship to attend and equal academic school. now if Michigan or Stanford were to offer, as a parent, I'd accept that scholarship, and NEVER give it up.

I suspect some of those non-contributors share the same opinion. You might want them gone as they may appear as a wasted scholarship. But they are using that scholarship to get a Purdue degree. and for many, that Purdue degree means a lot more than playing time on a football team.

For some reason, I thought that athletic scholarships are offered on a year by year basis. Am I wrong about that?

 

[ChuckJr]

I think Big 10 changed the rule to a 4 year commitment recently.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I can agree with your statement. However, Brohm was given a new restriction. he can encourage non-contributors to leave. he could also find potential schools and make some calls. and yes, there are probably 10-15 non contributors. but under the new rules imposed for power 5 teams, he can't just yank a scholarship unless the player mutually agrees or is disqualified because of drugs or academic performance. I believe there are players Brohm wants to get rid of, but unfortunately, some of them will remain.

if it was my son, and the coach approached me and said my son wasn't going to play, and it would be best for my son to go to some other school so that he could get more playing time, my reply would be thank you for that information. I knew when he was offered the scholarship that he'd never start, and both my son and I knew that going in. but I want my son to have a Purdue degree rather than transferring to ISU. a contract is a contract. and he's staying whether he plays or not.

I suspect there are many non-contributors on Alabama's team. and some probably signed just so they can get a ring and be on a national championship team. I'm sure Saban wants to get rid of a bunch of his players. but legally, he now has restrictions.

my son has an academic scholarship. that scholarship is only good for one school. he's also an athlete. if he came home and said he hates his coach and wants to transfer, my response as a parent would be NO !!!! he would not transfer unless he received an equal scholarship to attend and equal academic school. now if Michigan or Stanford were to offer, as a parent, I'd accept that scholarship, and NEVER give it up.

I suspect some of those non-contributors share the same opinion. You might want them gone as they may appear as a wasted scholarship. But they are using that scholarship to get a Purdue degree. and for many, that Purdue degree means a lot more than playing time on a football team.

If you are in engineering, athletic training, nursing, pharmacy, etc......but let's be honest with ourselves, how many of these guys are in those degree tracks or how many of those young men are in political science, liberal arts, or OLS and can go to another university, get better playing time, and likely a better degree than what Purdue could provide in those areas. For instance, I love that I went to Purdue for my education degree....but every other university in the state has a better degree in that area....I simply paid for the prestige that those other degrees have brought to Purdue, and I thank them for that!

There isn't anything wrong with majoring in something that isn't one of the big time degrees at Purdue...but some of these guys want the PT over where they get their degree from.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I think Big 10 changed the rule to a 4 year commitment recently.

You are correct:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...t-major-conference-to-guarantee-scholarships/

 

[Wolegib]

For some reason, I thought that athletic scholarships are offered on a year by year basis. Am I wrong about that?

that rule changed in 2014 . the BIG 10 was the leader in making that change, and now all power 5 conferences have agreed to a 4 year commitment from the school unless the player and school mutually agree to leave. or the player flunks out or tests positive too many times.

unless the player agrees to leave, the team is basically stuck with them.

 

[Wolegib]

If you are in engineering, athletic training, nursing, pharmacy, etc......but let's be honest with ourselves, how many of these guys are in those degree tracks or how many of those young men are in political science, liberal arts, or OLS and can go to another university, get better playing time, and likely a better degree than what Purdue could provide in those areas. For instance, I love that I went to Purdue for my education degree....but every other university in the state has a better degree in that area....I simply paid for the prestige that those other degrees have brought to Purdue, and I thank them for that!

There isn't anything wrong with majoring in something that isn't one of the big time degrees at Purdue...but some of these guys want the PT over where they get their degree from.

exactly. I chose Purdue based on its academic excellence. Sometimes I have to remind myself that I was never an athlete, and my goals for life are a lot different. I used academics to get out of the trailer park. Many athletes have different dreams and different visions than mine.

there are some athletes who go to a school simply to play their sport rather than to go to class. I know a 4 * TE who has said his #1 priority in choosing a school will be his ability to start as a Sophomore at that school. He has offers from every SEC school, and about 5 BIG 10 schools including Mich. He's leaning to Georgia and Auburn over Michigan and Alabama. Why? because they told him he'd start as a sophomore. To me that's a really STUPID reason for choosing a school. if my son had those offers, he'd be going to U of I or Michigan. and he'd get a degree. because a NFL football career is basically 5 years . but this athlete doesn't really care about academics like I do. he wants to start at TE as a sophomore.

I'm not making this stuff up or pulling it out of my ass. He's actually gone on record as saying this to both the media and his family and friends.

 

[TheBoris]

Many athletes have different dreams and different visions than mine.

I hate to say it but I think most athletes don't care one iota about academics. In fact, weak academics might be part of the appeal for some of these schools, e.g. Louisville.

 

[Wolegib]

I hate to say it but I think most athletes don't care one iota about academics. In fact, weak academics might be part of the appeal for some of these schools, e.g. Louisville.

you're probably correct. we all seek that path to our dreams. I chose academics. My dream was not to play sports. my son's dream was sports. So he's majoring in Sports Administration with dreams of being part of a pro or college sports team.

I would expect an athlete's dream is to make the NBA or NFL or MLB. and they take the easiest path.

Even in academia, very few of us wanted the toughest professors. if an engineer didn't have to take thermodynamics, would he?

 

[TheBoris]

So he's majoring in Sports Administration

No offense intended but that is the worst major that he could have chosen. Check out the employment rates of Sports Manage/Admin majors.

I know a guy who majored in that at U of Michigan. He now works for a tobacco company selling cigarettes in Charlotte.

 

[Inspector100]

No offense intended but that is the worst major that he could have chosen. Check out the employment rates of Sports Manage/Admin majors.

I know a guy who majored in that at U of Michigan. He now works for a tobacco company selling cigarettes in Charlotte.

I thought you were going to say "shoes."

 

[Summy1]

Can they tell a player that they will have to take their scholarship away but they can stay on the team as a walk on? This way Brohm can say he gave the player an option?

 

[Wolegib]

No offense intended but that is the worst major that he could have chosen. Check out the employment rates of Sports Manage/Admin majors.

I know a guy who majored in that at U of Michigan. He now works for a tobacco company selling cigarettes in Charlotte.

Four years ago he was going to be an accounting major and was accepted into the University of Illinois Business school . I was such a happy dad, although my posts here didn't reflect my enthusiasm. I was too busy hating on Hazell. the University of Illinois has one of the top 10 business schools in the nation. and he had an academic scholarship. but then, he wanted to be an athlete......... and gave it all up to be an athlete. sad and bitter times ....... So as a dad, what do you tell your athlete son? Go to that premier academic school? or go to a school where you can be an athlete and starter for 4 years? he has an opportunity to be a MVC conference track champion this year both in his event and for his school. he might even set a school record for his event and have his name in a database somewhere. he might even go to the NCAA track championship. He has friends who are actual Olympians. His coaches were Olympic coaches. he's actually competed against and beaten some Purdue and IU athletes. He's a decathlete.

As you can guess, dad is not totally thrilled with his son's decision to get "more playing time and become a star at a lesser school". His dream was to play basketball at Michigan, and then he stopped growing. So he's still sort of pursuing that dream. he'll probably end up as some assistant coach somewhere, or the towel guy at golds gym.

 

[Wolegib]

Can they tell a player that they will have to take their scholarship away but they can stay on the team as a walk on? This way Brohm can say he gave the player an option?

Brohm can no longer just take a scholarship away without just cause. You can thank the BIG 10 administrators for pushing that rule through the NCAA.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

Brohm can no longer just take a scholarship away without just cause. You can thank the BIG 10 administrators for pushing that rule through the NCAA.

I do thank them. That’s a good thing.

 

[Wolegib]

I do thank them. That’s a good thing.

my guess would be a lot of football powerhouses were constantly adding 5 star athletes and getting rid of their deadweight every year. and OSU was constantly losing to Alabama and Florida. So by creating the new rule, OSU was forcing Alabama to keep some of its deadweight on its team.

I have reservations the new rule was imposed to actually protect the student athlete. I believe it's a great rule. But it sure doesn't sound like one that an AD would think of. .

 

[BoilerBulldog]

my guess would be a lot of football powerhouses were constantly adding 5 star athletes and getting rid of their deadweight every year. and OSU was constantly losing to Alabama and Florida. So by creating the new rule, OSU was forcing Alabama to keep some of its deadweight on its team.

I have reservations the new rule was imposed to actually protect the student athlete. I believe it's a great rule. But it sure doesn't sound like one that an AD would think of. .

I never want to be Alabama.

 

[PaBoiler78]

I never want to be Alabama.

speaking of bama, Michael Parker committed to them earlier in the month, hoping for Austin Alexander to be our TE prospect this class.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

speaking of bama, Michael Parker committed to them earlier in the month, hoping for Austin Alexander to be our TE prospect this class.

My thoughts are that there is going to be a decent amount of fluidity between now and the 20th with our class. We were all surprised (coaching staff included) about the run of recruits that came in the summer. Some of those are still with the class but I believe as people actually saw the product on the field and got to know the coaches more and more through recruiting contact, realized that there was no smoke and mirrors to Brohm. That gave way to more access and realistic chances at better and better recruits and we are seeing that as fans in the visits since the end of the season, beating IU, and getting to a bowl game. My guess is that more and more guys are going to be told they are free to seek commitment elsewhere as their spot is no longer guaranteed.

 

[FirstDownB]

My thoughts are that there is going to be a decent amount of fluidity between now and the 20th with our class. We were all surprised (coaching staff included) about the run of recruits that came in the summer. Some of those are still with the class but I believe as people actually saw the product on the field and got to know the coaches more and more through recruiting contact, realized that there was no smoke and mirrors to Brohm. That gave way to more access and realistic chances at better and better recruits and we are seeing that as fans in the visits since the end of the season, beating IU, and getting to a bowl game. My guess is that more and more guys are going to be told they are free to seek commitment elsewhere as their spot is no longer guaranteed.

At this point I almost have more confidence in predicting a signed LOI from the uncommitted guys who are visiting this weekend than the committed guys who haven't been visited recently by the staff.

Hopefully most of the guys who get the blessing to look elsewhere have already had that talk with the staff. There might already be some unknown to the public/twitter. I hope that is the case now under a week from signing day.

 

[Wolegib]

I almost feel like some of the visits were to inform the recruit a truthful sorry but we're looking at somebody else now. Especially if an assistant visited! I'm wondering about RB as the one recruit said if he wasn't planning on signing early, Brohm was going to sign somebody else! And the two RBs rumored have not been offered and seem to be less talented than the two that left! Brohm is doing his do diligence and trying to flip some recruits! I wonder if there is a RB I haven't seen mentioned yet! I suspect this will be the last big recruiting weekend.

 

[Indy_Rider]

I love the new rule, never been in favor of yanking scholarships from kids. If the kid decides to transfer are forced to transfer they still have to sit out a year and whether the kids admit it at first, most are going to be pro's so they are here for a degree. Pulling their scholarship and forcing them to transfer hampers that and by the time you are doing it, most, if they are realistic, have to come to the conclusion they are here for a degree and not to become a pro athlete.

 

[boilermaker75]

No offense intended but that is the worst major that he could have chosen. Check out the employment rates of Sports Manage/Admin majors.

I know a guy who majored in that at U of Michigan. He now works for a tobacco company selling cigarettes in Charlotte.

I seem to recall no course in Sports Management counts for credit in any other academic program at Michigan.

 

[Purdue85]

that rule changed in 2014 . the BIG 10 was the leader in making that change, and now all power 5 conferences have agreed to a 4 year commitment from the school unless the player and school mutually agree to leave. or the player flunks out or tests positive too many times.

unless the player agrees to leave, the team is basically stuck with them.

Wow. So, let me make sure I understand this . . . the SCHOOL . . . is making a FOUR YEAR COMMITMENT to a . . . STUDENT/athlete.

Okay. I think I've got it.

 

[Purdue85]

I do thank them. That’s a good thing.

YES! yes, it is.

Creaning is bad.

Players jumping from program to program is bad.

I like the Grad transfer rule; Graduate on time, and if you have another year of eligibility, play where you want. It rewards STUDENT/athletes.

 

[TheBoris]

I seem to recall no course in Sports Management counts for credit in any other academic program at Michigan.

I don't know, may be true. I do know this UM guy didn't even have a job interview in his career field and to his knowledge, none of his SM peers did either. It was like having a degree in General Studies.

Reminds me of Landscape Architecture at Purdue. Circa 1960-65 Purdue offered a BS degree in LA . Only a few kids enrolled but virtually none had job offers upon graduation. One year they had a class of 12 grads and none of them had job offers in LA, not one. That's when purdue terminated the program.

 

[Wolegib]

Sports Administration is my son's choice not mine. I went to college to get a degree in computer science, and walked away with a dual degree in Elementary / Math Education. I got a job teaching junior high math, and then joined the Air Force to be a Communications/Computer systems officer. Did the Air Force look at my college transcript and saw EE from Purdue and made the wrong assumption? I hope not. I hope they looked at my military entrance test scores and assigned me to a career field based on my intelligence. I have no idea what my son is going to do with his degree. but at least, unlike many, I know he'll have one. My brother graduated with a degree in Women's studies from UWM, and has worked 30 years as a personnel specialist for people with special needs. I never saw that coming.

but the scholarship rule is a fact, and the BIG 10 was the leader in its implementation. There are NO MORE 1 years scholarships. If a school gives a student a 4 year scholarship, it's a 4 year commitment from the school to the student. The student can give it back and transfer. A student can lose his scholarship if he doesn't meet personal standards clause or academic requirements. But the school can't just take the scholarship back once the LOI is signed. And I believe that's a great idea for the STUDENT who is also a school athlete. It places academics as a greater priority than winning and performance on the field.

And yes, there some athletes who could care less about academics, and just want to play. and if that's their priority, they can always leave if they are not receiving the playing time, money, and love they need.

 

[Wolegib]

I will say that Purdue has one of the best college placement services in the U.S. I've attended or worked for about 10 different colleges and universities. and the placement service that Purdue provides for free is 10 times better than any outside private or public job placement service.

 

[TheBoris]

I will say that Purdue has one of the best college placement services in the U.S. I've attended or worked for about 10 different colleges and universities. and the placement service that Purdue provides for free is 10 times better than any outside private or public job placement service.

Yep, says that right here.

http://www.onlineclasses.net/top-schools/