Who can create their own shots, drive to the hoop, pull up for a two or three and are long on D. That’s a part of NCAA winning teams. Does not have to be the main guy/ star of team. Many teams have more than one of these guys. I see them on the Elite eight teams this year. We have none, usually have none. Last one of note was Vince Edwards.
Six foot seven or eight athletic guys…
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We had one of those... then Painter decided to redshirt him thinking he'd never play because of our "depth".
Kaufman was hurt and he still wouldnt have helped with ball handling or on ball defense. He also will have trouble guarding the three spot next year. From what little I saw this year he wasnt very quick.
Guards and wings that can create off the dribble win bball games in this era. Yet here we are continuously losing EARLY TO SCRUB TEAMS by playing with post up players. A ****ing dumb as **** strategy.
Oh but 1 year we made the elite 8!!!! Yeo, with an elite guard and a center than ran high PnRs and could defend high PnRs.
Exactly my ****ing point.
Painter is stubborn and has hurt this team tremendously.
Forcing edey and the rest if our bad defenders to play man to man when they cant do it is unbelievable. Its arguably worse that we continue to play a brand of high turnover and ineficient basketball.
So tired of it.
Oh but 1 year we made the elite 8!!!! Yeo, with an elite guard and a center than ran high PnRs and could defend high PnRs.
Exactly my ****ing point.
Painter is stubborn and has hurt this team tremendously.
Forcing edey and the rest if our bad defenders to play man to man when they cant do it is unbelievable. Its arguably worse that we continue to play a brand of high turnover and ineficient basketball.
So tired of it.
Completely agree. And some jackass on here was actually being extremely rude towards me for suggesting that going all in with Kaufman this year was somehow a bad idea.
Nope. Hit one drive to hoop all year. Right now just a jump shooter.
He's good around the hoop, too. Seems like Trevion hit Gillis on a lot of back door cuts going to the basket.
No. Of course he got rebounds or a pass and gets a layup I am talking about a guy who gets the ball outside drives to the basket for a layup or can pull up. Create his own shot. Maybe he can do it, but he hasn’t…but a few times.
He can't...he is a spot-up shooter, and, struggled mightily down the stretch for Purdue this year unfortunately.
Incredible effort and a glue-type guy, but, not a guy like what is being talked about here...definitely a guy that you can win with though.
It was a shame that an attempt at an effort play resulted in the most inopportune foul late in the game when he went after a loose ball.
We need more shot creators on the floor. Didn’t have any at the 3,4, or 5 positions, other than Tre.
To be clear I am not knocking Gillis. Someone else brought him up as the type of player I was talking about.
Who was the last true 3 that fit that bill for Purdue? I am sure that there was someone, and, maybe I will think of one, but, THAT has been an issue for some time seemingly without spending much thought on it. I am deeming Hummel a 4 admittedly, otherwise it would be him, but, even then he is one of the few that I can think of quickly. Dakota was a shooter opposed to scorer, and, not someone that created his shot or beat guys off the dribble.
Kaufman-Renn lacked Big Ten strength and needed surgery.
Gillis is 6-5 and can only stand and watch the underarms of real forwards until airballs land.
We let an actual 6-9 veteran forward go off to where he could go off for 31 and 7 against an actual Elite Eight team … after his new team beat St. Pete by 21.
31 points, a level not seen at Purdue this year. Except by opponents. Nor a win over St. Peter’s.
Gillis is 6-5 and can only stand and watch the underarms of real forwards until airballs land.
We let an actual 6-9 veteran forward go off to where he could go off for 31 and 7 against an actual Elite Eight team … after his new team beat St. Pete by 21.
31 points, a level not seen at Purdue this year. Except by opponents. Nor a win over St. Peter’s.
You guys are absolutely incredible when it comes to making shit up. Do you not remember what actually happened? …or does your need to pile on override any rational thinking?
Yes, I do. He made the right decision to go. He didn't fit in with what Painter wanted and it was in his best interest to leave.
We didn't let him go - he left.
We didn't let him go - he left.
his outside shot tailed off towards the end of the season, he has to work on getting his shot quicker. Lots of times he gets the ball and is open by five feet and a defender gets over to him before he could get off the shot then passes the ball.
Did you really watch him this year? He was far more of a creator than all but one of ours. No one burns Nova for 31 by feeds alone. He postered people. But no one can do that on the bench.
You guys are absolutely incredible when it comes to making shit up. Do you not remember what actually happened? …or does your need to pile on override any rational thinking?
Right on. Nothing rational about losing to a 15 seed.
Also nothing rational about a fan base helping run a guy out of town. Did everyone forget the reality of what Sasha had to say about that? “One of the best teammates I’ve ever had in playing basketball. A shame how he was treated by some of you on this app.”
Sasha sure wasn’t talking about me.
I’ve got to amend this … all but Jaden and Trevion. I thoroughly enjoyed all those post moves. That man can dance with a basketball.
I never heard that...what a shame. But, many on here will say their comments have no impact (or if they do, the player is just weak minded).
No question about it...I was only making the case in Mason's case that it was a shame that it happened while selling out to make a play...going to the floor in an effort to get a loose ball...it was just the ultimate "bad luck" foul...Sasha's was just a brutal foul...inexcusable foul...the reverse of Mason's in that he fouled for not having done his job before it on the play and then compounded that by committing the foul. That said, Sasha NEVER should have been on Edert.
Yeah, you have Morton lock up Carr, and then totally forget about him. You play IT and EHJ together. Sasha and Ivey play 35 minutes when both are making huge mental errors over and over. Mind boggling use of players last night.
Nor me for that matter. I highly dislike any post that attempts to place blame for a loss on any specific player. However, We have those fans that try very hard to find the single player that “should transfer to a mid-major”. This year it’s Isaiah for many, and then it was Sasha. Just read some of these idiotic posts.
That said, I think Wheeler had lots of talent. He continued to start because he performed well in practice. However, when in a actual game, he had trouble being as effective as he showed in practices. I’m glad that maybe he found his mojo his senior year. Good! To me, this whole conversation aboutWheeler, and it’s attached made-up-history is nothing more than a weak attempt to pile on Painter for losing the E-Eight game.
A product though of expecting things to happen that have but didn't.
Morton was completely lost last night when he was in...I have said it many times...the whole notion of him being some sort of stopper at that end is something that Purdue/Painter is promoting. He is better at that end than a lot of guys (which should be recognized as a problem opposed to celebrated as an achievement of some sort individually). He has had moments this year at that end, and, he did a great job against Carr, but, he is very often out of position if/when guarding a guy that is not ball dominant (like Carr was), and, that was definitely the case last night. I like the effort that he plays with at that end, as, it is better than a lot of the other Purdue guys right now, and, I like that he wants to be good at that end and is trying to, but, again...this whole notion that he is actually really good at that end simply is not true, and, last night he was a mess at that end.
He went with IT and EJH together because he was desperate for some sort of answer to contain Saint Peter's guards, and, it did not work either unfortunately...Purdue just had no answer for the Saint Peter's guards...and, because it will never play zone, it resorts to desperate measures instead.
Sasha played way too many minutes for more than a month given his shortcomings at one end and failure to provide what he needed to at the other...last night was just the most recent case.
The use of players last night was the same as it has been since January...same pre-determined substitutions, and, just going with the same guys hoping that at some point it was going to work out and ignoring that it had not.
Actually I just like Wheeler, who hails from my 94-year-old dad’s native state and graciously met him with buddies Sasha and Eric. Dad really enjoyed watching and visiting with another Connecticut kid representing his alma mater, just as he did for years with another wearer of Purdue’s No. 1 jersey from his hometown, Keith Carlos, aka “America’s Next Top Model.”
Plus, Wheeler now has fully proven himself, with a year of eligibility left, and he’s exactly the kind of player who always ends up beating us in March. We needed more tall, quick athletes of our own, not less, no small part of the reason today we’re back home again in Indiana.
Yes. Saw him shooting threes and dunking. Didn’t see him creating off the dribble.
not priming Newman during the season didn't help. Does he have some deficiencies? yeah but so does everyone else. Got a 4 star guard in his 3 yd yr and got no PT. You don't get better by sitting on the bench
he always seems to be chasing someone on D. We were up 4 let that clown shoot. Earlier in the half there was a D breakdown and he lost his man for a made 3 in the corner. He fouled someone for 3 I think in the msu tourney game.
I will never understand the complete elimination of minutes for/with him, but, I can appreciate that it would be (and was) difficult trying to play 10 guys.
It is irrelevant now...Painter was trying to win a regular season conference championship and trying to put Purdue in position to earn the best seed that it could, and, there is nothing wrong about that...the focus shifted from player development though, and, it affected Newman and Furst the most...again, I don't know that I would say that it was wrong necessarily, but, nobody (including Painter) foresaw what happened with them. It is not why Purdue lost to Saint Peter's though...it may have been why they lost what would have been the next game if they had won last night, or at least in part.
Newman did have chances to help himself, and, a golden one actually in the game that Ivey sat out earlier this year against Northwestern.
ALWAYS chasing...ALWAYS...and, always out of position on the back-side as well, which is what led to that wide open 3 (and they showed it on replay)...that happened repeatedly all year. Sasha was the greatest defensive liability a team could have...not for a lack of effort, but, for certain a lack of ability at that end. Morton spends WAY too much time chasing as well.
His story is a great story in the sense that he bet on himself to play at Purdue, and, he was really good in many ways and with many things, but, as is so often talked about on here with respect to certain individuals...there is a reason that nobody else had offered. To his credit, he got the most out of his ability, and, he worked really hard to develop into the player that he was and find his way to the floor and become a key guy even...but, he definitely had shortcomings, and, unfortunately, they were visible, and, especially last night.
