Should hear some news soon....

[BoiledSteel]

Look at his success with bigs. Where is it relating to recruiting/NBA? As I said quit being a CMP honk for a few minutes, and you can see it just isn't there. Landry was 100 years ago. JJ was a total flop outside of Purdue. The others have had no success outside of Purdue.

I've read some of your responses on here and have come to the conclusion that it is you that has the blinders on.

You are so emotionally bent tied in to how Purdue does in the tourney that you just can't see the bigger picture. You're quick to criticize Painter but lack the ability to give him credit for pretty much anything. That also makes you a hypocrite basically and sadly I think your emotions make it impossible for you to see reality.

 

[NashvilleBoiler]

I've read some of your responses on here and have come to the conclusion that it is you that has the blinders on.

You are so emotionally bent tied in to how Purdue does in the tourney that you just can't see the bigger picture. You're quick to criticize Painter but lack the ability to give him credit for pretty much anything. That also makes you a hypocrite basically and sadly I think your emotions make it impossible for you to see reality.

There is no "bigger picture". My response to you is that you can't see the forrest for the trees. Anyway, they are all just opinions based on expectations. You have yours (low), and I have mine (high). Cool?

 

[Dakota Girl]

AJ Hammons my bad 3 that's still not several

Yeah...I think maybe it is.

 

[BoiledSteel]

There is no "bigger picture". My response to you is that you can't see the forrest for the trees. Anyway, they are all just opinions based on expectations. You have yours (low), and I have mine (high). Cool?

There most certainly is a bigger picture and it's rather sad that you and the few like you can't see it. But you're right, I have my realistic opinion and you have your emotionally driven, small picture one.

 

[hoosierdog1]

Tillman, Eastern and Jackson are the 3 biggies that are realistically still in play for us.

I would add Young to that list.

 

[cgnops]

I love Edwards but I don't think he'd make it in the NBA...Edwards is not athletic enough nor does he got a quick first step...

To be fair though, the criticisms that you have for Vince Edwards are the same as those said about ETwaun Moore before the 2011 draft. Moore proved he has what it takes to stay in the NBA. Not sure that Vince doesnt stay four years but lets hope he continues to develop like Moore.

 

[bonefish1]

Both players will be here all four years. Both players will probably get drafted in the second round after their senior year. But I don't think either one stays in the NBA. You will see both overseas.

I agree on Edwards. He's a nice college player, but he's not an elite athlete. There's a bunch of 6'8 guys in college who can shot, handle the ball, etc., but not that many that do all those things well enough at the NBA level.
I think Haas will find a home. 7'2, and fairly athletic is hard to find/teach. He might not be a star, but if he can do what Brad Miller did, he can play 10 years and make $70-100 mil, he'll be happy.

 

[TC4THREE]

Look at his success with bigs. Where is it relating to recruiting/NBA? As I said quit being a CMP honk for a few minutes, and you can see it just isn't there. Landry was 100 years ago. JJ was a total flop outside of Purdue. The others have had no success outside of Purdue.

Frankly, I think it's a testament to Painter and his system that JJ had the opportunity to be an AA and first rounder. Most players ranked similarly to JJ coming out of high school do not end up in the NBA at all, let alone getting first round guaranteed money.

Also, if you're expecting him to turn every big man recruit into an NBA all star then you are an idiot. We aren't Kentucky. Most recruits that come here aren't doing so with realistic NBA aspirations. For a 4-star recruit to make it to the NBA in any capacity is pretty good. I mean, how many 4 stars are there each year? 80? Obviously, most aren't going to end up playing in the NBA. Seems to me he does ok with taking what he gets and putting them in the best position to make money at the next level. The players we've had with that ability seem to have always got a shot in the pros.

 

[bonefish1]

Frankly, I think it's a testament to Painter and his system that JJ had the opportunity to be an AA and first rounder. Most players ranked similarly to JJ coming out of high school do not end up in the NBA at all, let alone getting first round guaranteed money.

Also, if you're expecting him to turn every big man recruit into an NBA all star then you are an idiot. We aren't Kentucky. Most recruits that come here aren't doing so with realistic NBA aspirations. For a 4-star recruit to make it to the NBA in any capacity is pretty good. I mean, how many 4 stars are there each year? 80? Obviously, most aren't going to end up playing in the NBA. Seems to me he does ok with taking what he gets and putting them in the best position to make money at the next level. The players we've had with that ability seem to have always got a shot in the pros.

"Most recruits that come here aren't doing so with realistic NBA aspirations"
WTF?
This isn't Div II. This is big time, power 5 money ball. I want every one of our recruits to have the NBA as a goal. I want them working their asses off every day trying to get there. I want our coach to be helping them achieve their goals. Obviously most won't, and they'll realize that somewhere along the journey, but I want them to have those aspirations.
Actually, now that I think about it, you're comment doesn't surprise me because if I recall, being average is good enough for you.

 

[TC4THREE]

"Most recruits that come here aren't doing so with realistic NBA aspirations"
WTF?
This isn't Div II. This is big time, power 5 money ball. I want every one of our recruits to have the NBA as a goal. I want them working their asses off every day trying to get there. I want our coach to be helping them achieve their goals. Obviously most won't, and they'll realize that somewhere along the journey, but I want them to have those aspirations.
Actually, now that I think about it, you're comment doesn't surprise me because if I recall, being average is good enough for you.

I want puppies that poop money too. But I forgot, you are a lottery ticket guy.

Having those aspirations is great. I'm not going to fire the coach because DJ Byrd didn't make it to the league though.

 

[bonefish1]

I want puppies that poop money too. But I forgot, you are a lottery ticket guy.

Having those aspirations is great. I'm not going to fire the coach because DJ Byrd didn't make it to the league though.

Who said firing anybody over that? But, the bigger problem is that if word gets out among the recruits (and with social media, AAU, handlers, etc, word and opinion travels fast) that a certain coach isn't going to help you develop your game for the NBA (if you've got that kind of talent), then those guys will look someplace else (case in point: our PG situation the last 3 years).
I realize that not every kid that's going to commit will have any shot at the NBA and that you need role players. But, you've got to consistently have 2-4 NBA level talents to consistently do well in the tourney and getting that talent all goes back to the ability to convince them while they're in high school to come to Purdue.

 

[TheRealDeal73]

Brad Miller's game and Isaac two different games Brad Miller can get up and down the court in an NBA game I don't think Isaac will be able to do that he's too big. Isaac would have been a number one pick 30 years ago when the game was played slow but it's not played that way anymore I think he struggles to stay in the NBA. And that's not a knock on Isaac it's just what it is. He will definitely end up being a good college player but it don't go no further than that maybe overseas.

 

[tjreese]

Frankly, I think it's a testament to Painter and his system that JJ had the opportunity to be an AA and first rounder. Most players ranked similarly to JJ coming out of high school do not end up in the NBA at all, let alone getting first round guaranteed money.

Also, if you're expecting him to turn every big man recruit into an NBA all star then you are an idiot. We aren't Kentucky. Most recruits that come here aren't doing so with realistic NBA aspirations. For a 4-star recruit to make it to the NBA in any capacity is pretty good. I mean, how many 4 stars are there each year? 80? Obviously, most aren't going to end up playing in the NBA. Seems to me he does ok with taking what he gets and putting them in the best position to make money at the next level. The players we've had with that ability seem to have always got a shot in the pros.

pretty close to what I would say, but have little desire to get into this. It is similar to a student that is an above average student testing out of all his AP classes. JJ couldn't have done much better in college for his offerings. We need to quit confusing college with the NBA. The bottom line is to have the best team possible and if that is four star seniors competing with 5 star freshmen and sophomores...so be it. Enough success and the 5 stars will come and although I think tourney success is more player than coach...many players and fans drink the kool-aid from the media and so a good team is important and the "perception" of that team is media driven by tourney hype. Consequently, players are important and the higher the star the more more positive the correlation...with enough regression that a team of four stars that improve and work as a team ...with the right chemistry will beat individual five stars.

I'm fine with four stars being seniors and keep reloading gradually until teh success brings in even more talent. Purdue is light years ahead of where they were just a few years ago...

 

[BoilerBiker]

1. If Haas ends up an NBA all star like Miller, that would be great!

2. JJ was rivals #42, so I think most at that upper tier of 4 star would definitely be thinking pro (which stretches to 120 now). He solidified himself and got into round 1.

 

[boilerzz]

1. If Haas ends up an NBA all star like Miller, that would be great!

2. JJ was rivals #42, so I think most at that upper tier of 4 star would definitely be thinking pro (which stretches to 120 now). He solidified himself and got into round 1.

Given that only 60 people get drafted every year, at least 1/4 of those go to international players, and more than half of the 2nd round gets cut or shipped overseas, I'd say the 42nd ranked player every year has less than a 50/50 chance of sticking in the NBA.

 

[Cevol03]

who are the visitors this weekend?

 

[BoilerBiker]

Given that only 60 people get drafted every year, at least 1/4 of those go to international players, and more than half of the 2nd round gets cut or shipped overseas, I'd say the 42nd ranked player every year has less than a 50/50 chance of sticking in the NBA.

Agree, and likely even less for your second point.

I referred to the initial step - jj thinking of the pros and aspirations of being drafted, and had similar numbers in mind.

For your further thought of then sticking in the league, it is definitely difficult.
Late first round picks have a greater than fifty percent chance of being stuck deep on the bench or not even playing.
The average nba career lasts about six years, so making a career of it doesn't happen for many.
http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

 

[Monk1014]

who are the visitors this weekend?

I believe the visitors this weekend are Xavier Tillman and Nojel Eastern.

 

[tjreese]

Almost didn't get Biggie but they still had a spot open. And yes, I know what you mean. I was thinking along the lines of more 4 or 3 star players. Just wondered if they ever compete with each other to see who will commit first?

Carsen committed because he was afraid another would take it soon...

 

[PU52Chevy]

Jackson, Eastern, Young, John, Tillman.......domino's should start falling soon.

Also guys like Epperson, Battey, Gueye, Smith, Roberts, Pierre-Louis and Ondigo.....could also factor in.....

I would like any mix of the guys listed above...but I think we see two versatile SF/PF, one PG/SG and one PF/C because of the possible exits of Biggie, Haas and Edwards.

Excited to see who joins the Purdue Family! Boiler Up!

I am very excited to hear some news from this weekend.....love T. Brown's size and in the picks I saw of Tillman on his visit he looked happy and very good in our Purdue grey basketball uniform and looks like he fits right in.

I guess they all laced up the shoes and played with the current players a little and hope the chemistry was good.

Hope the visits went well and Boiler Up!

 

[*Shockerrr*]

Carsen and Nojel would be a lethal weapon together. Would love to see that backcourt duo!

 

[BoilerDeac]

I would add Young to that list.

I think Young is Butler's to lose.

 

[TC4THREE]

I think Young is Butler's to lose.

Are you sharing premium info?

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Brad Miller's game and Isaac two different games Brad Miller can get up and down the court in an NBA game I don't think Isaac will be able to do that he's too big. Isaac would have been a number one pick 30 years ago when the game was played slow but it's not played that way anymore I think he struggles to stay in the NBA. And that's not a knock on Isaac it's just what it is. He will definitely end up being a good college player but it don't go no further than that maybe overseas.

Haas doesn't have to do it for an entire game. If he can give a team 10-15 minutes as a 7'2 player with touch around the rim...he'll make millions.

 

[hunkgolden]

Are you sharing premium info?

So no one else on social media or elsewhere has mentioned this?

 

[TC4THREE]

So no one else on social media or elsewhere has mentioned this?

I don't know. He didn't link a source.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

I don't know. He didn't link a source.

To my knowledge, his only planned official visits are Butler and OSU. It seems like they are the front runners based on that.

 

[hunkgolden]

I don't know. He didn't link a source.

What if someone in the know told him? How does one link a conversation?

 

[TC4THREE]

What if someone in the know told him? How does one link a conversation?

What if the "someone in the know" was Brian?

 

[BoilerDeac]

Are you sharing premium info?

Nah, I could just kind of tell based off of a variety of factors. No "source," just a strong hunch that ended up being correct.

 

[TC4THREE]

Nah, I could just kind of tell based off of a variety of factors. No "source," just a strong hunch that ended up being correct.

Nice call. I had heard similar rumblings so I wondered.

 

[hunkgolden]

What if the "someone in the know" was Brian?

My response is the same - how does one link a conversation?

 

[TC4THREE]

My response is the same - how does one link a conversation?

You record the conversation and put it out on youtube where you can share it with others.

 

[lbodel]

I think he needs to improve conditioning to get a serious look in the pros. With the pace of game in the NBA, a 7 footer that can't sprint the floor isn't going to last very long.

Bingo. It's easy to forget, but we had a tremendous situation in having 2 starter-worthy centers, which kept them fresh not only in most individual games, but also through an entire season. Haas only averaged 15 minutes a game last year! Hammons averaged just under 25.

I don't think we'll see Haas average any more than 20-23 minutes a game. Obviously in some games he will play more along the 25-30 range. But NBA games are 60. That'll be a big hurdle for him. Something he can certainly do as he's improved his fitness each year - but not sure if it will be best for him to leave early. Him and Edwards are your prototype 4 year college players that can have very good NBA careers.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Bingo. It's easy to forget, but we had a tremendous situation in having 2 starter-worthy centers, which kept them fresh not only in most individual games, but also through an entire season. Haas only averaged 15 minutes a game last year! Hammons averaged just under 25.

I don't think we'll see Haas average any more than 20-23 minutes a game. Obviously in some games he will play more along the 25-30 range. But NBA games are 60. That'll be a big hurdle for him. Something he can certainly do as he's improved his fitness each year - but not sure if it will be best for him to leave early. Him and Edwards are your prototype 4 year college players that can have very good NBA careers.

Halfway through the third overtime? yes

Kidding aside, I see where you're going with this....and agree for the most part.

 

[Dryfly88]

Bingo. It's easy to forget, but we had a tremendous situation in having 2 starter-worthy centers, which kept them fresh not only in most individual games, but also through an entire season. Haas only averaged 15 minutes a game last year! Hammons averaged just under 25.

I don't think we'll see Haas average any more than 20-23 minutes a game. Obviously in some games he will play more along the 25-30 range. But NBA games are 60. That'll be a big hurdle for him. Something he can certainly do as he's improved his fitness each year - but not sure if it will be best for him to leave early. Him and Edwards are your prototype 4 year college players that can have very good NBA careers.

Good to see you back Ibodel.

I agree Haas will not see many 30 minute games. Fouls and conditioning will both play a role. If we can get 20-25 quality minutes out of him and then go smaller when he's out I think we will be in good shape. I actually like the idea of having a different look when he's not in there. Should give our offense more variety and not be as predictable.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Bingo. It's easy to forget, but we had a tremendous situation in having 2 starter-worthy centers, which kept them fresh not only in most individual games, but also through an entire season. Haas only averaged 15 minutes a game last year! Hammons averaged just under 25.

I don't think we'll see Haas average any more than 20-23 minutes a game. Obviously in some games he will play more along the 25-30 range. But NBA games are 60. That'll be a big hurdle for him. Something he can certainly do as he's improved his fitness each year - but not sure if it will be best for him to leave early. Him and Edwards are your prototype 4 year college players that can have very good NBA careers.

Again, who says Haas has to play 60 minutes in the pros? If he can give a team 10-20 minutes a game, at 7'2, with great touch around the rim...he could easily give a team a quick 8-10 points a night, disrupt the paint against other traditional centers (Dwight Howard for example), and rebound the ball. Don't forget, he is a good free throw shooter and his ability to draw fouls would be good against other teams with strong front courts. Every player doesn't have to be a starter that will play 40-50 minutes a night. Some guys can make millions playing specialized minutes.

 

[TC4THREE]

Halfway through the third overtime? yes

Kidding aside, I see where you're going with this....and agree for the most part.

Easy mistake to make. All NBA games feel much longer than they are.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Bingo. It's easy to forget, but we had a tremendous situation in having 2 starter-worthy centers, which kept them fresh not only in most individual games, but also through an entire season. Haas only averaged 15 minutes a game last year! Hammons averaged just under 25.

I don't think we'll see Haas average any more than 20-23 minutes a game. Obviously in some games he will play more along the 25-30 range. But NBA games are 60. That'll be a big hurdle for him. Something he can certainly do as he's improved his fitness each year - but not sure if it will be best for him to leave early. Him and Edwards are your prototype 4 year college players that can have very good NBA careers.

Haas, at best, will be a backup center in the NBA given his lack of speed and athleticism, and backups play 12-16 minutes a game. I don't see him leaving early either.

 

[BoilerDeac]

Haas, at best, will be a backup center in the NBA given his lack of speed and athleticism, and backups play 12-16 minutes a game. I don't see him leaving early either.

Yep. Isaac's best quality his his back to the basket offensive game. Unfortunately, that skillset is not as coveted as it once was (Greg Monroe is a good example).

The fact that Deandre Jordan was a 1st Team All NBA center says it all.

The NBA wants athletic rim protectors and rebounders.