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Well that would be tampering and that's not something that Painter would do. You can't actively pursue a player on scholarship at another school.
I could see Williams reaching out to Painter and Painter telling him exactly what he told Haas when committed to Wake Forest. When Haas asked him what he should to, Painter said something to the effect of "I'd keep my commitment to Wake Forest but if you do decommit, then we can talk."
Are you sure that the rumor wasn’t about Ramey? Williams is already enrolled at UL.
This. Williams can initiate the contact. But does Painter want him?
Ramey makes sense. He did not sign an LOI and is fair game.
Tomorrow I don't know more about it but we'll know..... Oh forget it.
How about that Drew Brees?-OT
How about that Drew Brees?-OT
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Joy to watch. Been a great weekend for Boilers.
Yeah it’s about williams. I work with a former D1 Snider player. I didn’t say he was talking to the player at all.
As long as it’s ethical, I have no issue with it, but it seems like the ball is completely in Williams’ court.
Uhhh because he would immediately be one of the best players on the team
Not sure how everything will play out with UL. I guess some folks are assuming that current players will be allowed to transfer out and play immediately. I’m not sure that will be the case....
You sure about that? We'll have 3 centers on the team already next year. Which one are we going let go?
Not this will happen; but Painter wouldn’t hesitate playing Haarms and Williams together next year at the 4/5
I was under the impression that MP recruited Haarms, Williams, and Dow as centers. Maybe I was wrong.I could see Williams playing the 4 ,but not Dow or Haarms.
Haarms is a stretch 5 with a potential capability of playing the 4 with another athletic big like Taylor or Williams.
Why would Painter have to let one go?
I don't know if Painter is interested, but he may be anticipating that someone leaves early. They continue to recruit Jackson-Davis at Center Grove for the 2019 class.
I think the guy we're talking about is in the 2018 class. I guess it's Painter's decision ,it doesn't really matter what I think.
Williams is a freshman playing at Louisville. He has already played for them, so his eligibility clock has started ticking. If he transfers anytime between now and January, he will have to sit out until January 2019 -- unless there is some rule that would allow players in his situation to compete immediately. That's what makes this discussion interesting. So many unknowns.
Specifically, why couldn't Haarms play a 4? What is it Purdue needs in a 4 to do? Are there many areas or some more crucial than others? Now, Dow is a 5 now and maybe forever. Williams, I don't know anything about,but if he is a 5 and Matt is open to him as a 5, then he must see potential in Haarms as a 4...and if T. Williams loses weight...why would anyone consider him a 5?
Maybe we shouldn't get hung up on numbers as the mix and match of skillsets and physical dimensions of certain players. Biggie was a 5 in high school, but within a year he was a 4...his goal for the NBA...like T Williams. I was shocked that Malik went to Louisville instead of Purdue and so I could see the move to Purdue..and all I would say ...is welcome home Malik. Purdue doesn't have to have a 5. They can play with two 4's fine..or a 4 and 5 with the right 1,2 and 3 spots...or a 5 and the right 4 with an imperfect 1,2,3....come on home Malik...always a spot for a 7 footer than can move...
Seeing Haarms not getting stuck with his back to the basket all the time should tell Malik what Matt tried to tell him before...and I don't want begin to think how good purdue could be with bookends of Haarms and Malik and then three guys off this forum...
Purdue under Painter has been better when they had a 4 who could shoot from outside. He might get there but Haarms hasn't shown that skill yet.
My thought of Williams is if he was released by the NCAA or wants to transfer is that he would be considered as a 2019 recruit! And as we've been talking, Purdue will have 3 scholarships to give and I believe one would go to a BIG whether out of high school or a transfer.
My only question is Williams better than Jackson-Davis ?
My only question is Williams better than Jackson-Davis ?
yeah, but that doesn't mean motion by itself is better. IU did pretty well with Turner and tolbert, minny did well with McCale and ???? solid 4's out to 15. Teh spacing on the court is better than 4 behind the arc. What team has Matt had where he had a real 4? Robbie played pg in high school. Johnson was 5. Byrd played 2 or 3 in high school. Has Matt ever had a real 4? Biggie came in as a 5 and developed an outside shot to become a 4. In video Haarms has shown a 4 with his shooting...even if he hasn't stroked it behind the arc. Are we of the opinion that a 4 shoots behind the arc always? Some may have a 4 to do that, because there are not a whole lot of 4's that can play out to 15 with size, but much easier to find smaller (6'7", 6'8") players to play the 4 spot due to population statistics. Was it MSU that had Appleton and Miles or something like that? Unlike football basektball players go both ways and so it is a weighing of the offense and defense advantages and disadvantages of each player on the whole team. If Haas is too slow to guard the perimeter on D, he needs to be an offensive machine on O and the "net" effect is all that is important.
If Matt has never had a real 4...or a traditional 4 can we say what Purdue or Matt would do with one? I can't see a reason why Motion is better with 4 behind the arc than three behind the arc...and I have always thought shooting can be improved..but I really don't know how well Haarms can shoot, because he hasn't been placed in that role. I don't even know if Wagner and Wilson were able to stroke it behind the arc or developed that at Michigan...but they were two 4's as well. I have no idea what the newcomers can do becasuse quite frankly we haven't seen them in that position. I do know that already this year Matt has played Haarms wiht Haas and Haarms with Taylor more than the entire senior year with AJ and Haas. Now is this due to just trying to get them some minutes...or does Matt see potential with the two bigs if they can develop? I don't know, but "IF" that can be developed to be effectively used during times it would be an advantage...then Purdue is better for developing it...
Huh?
Haarms is a natural 3/4 (depending on how you define your bigs!), with an ability to play the 5. This guy's talent is SCREAMING to play him as someone away from the basket, with the ability to move inside with his back to the rim.
An objective evaluation of the Haarms we've seen to date is that this kid is just scratching the surface of what he will/can become. He's going to blow up from the outside.
Williams is athletic enough to play the 4 spot. You still take him; he's that good.
Haarms is a good player, no doubt...but he is not and never will be a 3.
Not sure he is a 3, but a whole LOT of potential for a great team at a 4 should he continue to develop and be a good shooter from 15. I have no idea how well he can shoot at this time...because he hasn't needed to do that, but his old video shows he has in the past...AND he has said prior to Purdue he played the perimeter (although a lower level).Too many people think a 4 has to be a 3 pt shooter because that is what Matt has HAD in the past. As recruiting continues to improve, Matt will get more size with skill...and if Purdue lands Malik from Louisville...watch out.
Whatever disadvantage Haarms may have on the perimeter he flips that for the team when down on the other end. If a 4 for another team is that much quicker than Haarms, then there is a VERY good chance that Haarms is that much taller than him on the other end. If the other team has a 6'8" or so at teh 4, then that guy is probably not as quick as a 6'6" guy at the 4. It is all about skillset and size matchup and mismatch advantage. Statistical population has a lot more 6'8" guys than 7'3" guys and when you have an anomaly in size and skill usually encountered, that is an advantage. Purdue, under Matt has been a "contrarian" type team anyway in that he uses more screening away from the ball than many and understands all the advantages of pounding the ball inside. Lastly, "if" Matt does not play Haarms some at the 4 this year...what is he going to do when Dow comes in and cannot play the 4, but will play some?
This could be a possibility for sure.......
The future could be:
Taylor (Potential spot open because of injury), Haarms, Williams and Dow.
*Note: All above could play the 4/5 spots in the rotation if needed, but Taylor and Dow mostly a 5.
*Note: I see Ewing and Wheeler more as 3/4 type guys in the rotation.
*Note: Possibly Painter has gone to Taylor and said hey your my guy at the 5 spot next year as a senior but you have to be healthy and since there is that chance you may not be I need to bring in one more 4/5 player.
Enter Williams of U of L into the conversation....
Those are just my thoughts and love the open communication Painter has with his players so they all know where they stand.
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The future could be:
Taylor (Potential spot open because of injury), Haarms, Williams and Dow.
*Note: All above could play the 4/5 spots in the rotation if needed, but Taylor and Dow mostly a 5.
*Note: I see Ewing and Wheeler more as 3/4 type guys in the rotation.
*Note: Possibly Painter has gone to Taylor and said hey your my guy at the 5 spot next year as a senior but you have to be healthy and since there is that chance you may not be I need to bring in one more 4/5 player.
Enter Williams of U of L into the conversation....
Those are just my thoughts and love the open communication Painter has with his players so they all know where they stand.
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but because there was no 5 that played he played low most the time...Great story of a short (I think in the pros he was between 6'7" and 6'8")...powerful person on the blocks. Forgot about the juco...
Still, most of his time was with his back to the basket because there wasn't a 5 playing that would allow him to play more of a 4
I'll defer to your crystal ball, although that doesn't look like a wise prediction.
He brings a combination of skills uncommon to Purdue basketball. He has height, he has agility, he has touch.
Truth is, it's going to depend on who, of the incoming recruits, sees the court, which could dictate how Painter uses him. He's also going to continue to improve his strength, footwork, ball handling and shooting.
Matt won't have any contact with a committed or verbaled player.
HE won’t...doesn’t mean there wouldn’t be contact thru a back channel, like a HS or AAU coach.
