Romeo vs C Edwards

[hamcoboiler]

Had this thought today...

Although its less and less certain that Romeo Langford is going to IU. It still seems like things are headed that way. He will likely be a one and done or at most two and done player. Whereas Carsen (similar to Yogi) is likely a four year player.

With that said, what would you rather have Langford for a freshman and sophomore campaign or Carsen for a junior and senior campaign?

I will take Carsen all day.

 

[krs84]

It doesn't matter ...Carsen Edwards is a Boiler and a damn good one at that. Romeo Langford chose not to be a Boiler - - I wouldn't give him another thought - - don't give a rat's ass if chooses the Loosiers - - we'll beat 'em anyway.

Any recruits not wise enough to buy what Painter and Purdue have to offer aren't worth the energy of another thought.

I'm not trying to be a smartass, but there is too much IU preoccupation on this board. If kids and their parents can't see the merits of being in the Purdue Basketball Program we don't want them.

 

[Frankie611]

Barring Injury Carsen will be gone before his senior year. But I would take a 3 year Carsen over 1 yr Romeo

 

[Wolegib]

Rather than comparing Romeo to Carsen, I believe it would be better to compare wanting a one and done player verses somebody you expect will play at Purdue all 4 years. Would your opinion of having Carsen change if he had a great year this year and decided to turn pro after two years?

If Hammons, Haas, V Edwards had received assurances they'd be drafted when attending the NBA combine, the possibility exists they might have left early as well. if Haas or Edwards declared for the draft, would your opinion of them change?

many people project JJJ to be a one and done player. Would you rather he played that year at Purdue or MSU ?

Let's make the question more objective rather them emotional. Romeo is a bad example because Purdue is recruiting him and he may sign wit h IU. to better answer your question, we need to look at players who never thought of coming to Purdue.

Would yo u rather have Lonzo Ball or Kyrie Erving for one year or PJ for 4?

Would you rather have Jabari Parker, Wiggins or Josh Jackson for one year or V Edwards for 4 ?

Would you rather have Fultz or Tatum for one year or Dakota for 4?

 

[BoiledSteel]

It doesn't matter ...Carsen Edwards is a Boiler and a damn good one at that. Romeo Langford chose not to be a Boiler - - I wouldn't give him another thought - - don't give a rat's ass if chooses the Loosiers - - we'll beat 'em anyway.

Any recruits not wise enough to buy what Painter and Purdue have to offer aren't worth the energy of another thought.

I'm not trying to be a smartass, but there is too much IU preoccupation on this board. If kids and their parents can't see the merits of being in the Purdue Basketball Program we don't want them.

Please post more often.

 

[Wolegib]

I would choose the one year player or the two and done player over the 4 year player for many reasons. The thing about a 1 year player is that they are often replaced by another 1 year player. To do a fair comparison, you need to compare 4 years against 4 years rather than 1 year against the 4 year player's best year..

granted, a one and done player is not at his best his freshman year. And most NBA teams draft the player on potential rather than actual performance. But neither is a 4 year player at his best his freshman year.. Rather than comparing a 4 year's player's senior year against a 1 year player's only year, you also must evaluate what that 4 year player did his first two years.

When looking at the philosophy of using a one year player, to truly evaluate it, you must look at the team and position for four years, not just one. Kansas provides a good example. They had both Wiggins and Jackson as one year players at basically the same position. So to do a fair comparison against V Edwards and/or Dakota, In all fairness, you need to look at the contributions of Jackson, Wiggins and their other two years to compare. if you compare Edwards against all four years of production at Kansas, I believe the edge would go to Kansas.

the same goes for PJ. Admittedly, it's not the same years, but compare PJ's 4 years to Duke's Erving and 3 years of Duke's other starting PGs. I believe the edge would go to Duke for getting more production out of their PG position than what PJ gave Purdue.

Simply stated, if you were an elite school and had your choice of PJ or Dakota for 4 years, or Romeo, Trent, Ball, and Simmons, at the same position, who would you rather have?

and the thing about one and done players, they attract other elite players, and also future one and done players. Kansas was not a great team because of Jackson or Wiggins. they were a great team because other players came there to play with athletes with their talents. if Duke or UK didn't have one and done players, they wouldn't be able to recruit the other best players in the land.

look at Travis Carroll. he gave up a chance to possibly start at Purdue to be a bench warmer for UK. Why? I believe the answer is obvious.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Barring Injury Carsen will be gone before his senior year. But I would take a 3 year Carsen over 1 yr Romeo

No he won't....sorry but if you look at one of the preeminent draft board that is as close to getting it right most years, nbadraft.net doesn't have him on the 2018 board or the 2019 board. They currently don't have a board up for the 2020 draft which would be Boogie's senior season. I think he'll need two solid seasons as the preeminent player at a program to show his value and worth as a first round pick...much like Biggie did in his two seasons at Purdue.

2018 Mock Drafts not containing Carsen Edwards:
CBS Sports
Bleacher Report
Sports Illustrated
My NBA Draft
NBC Sports

2019 Mock Drafts not containing Carsen Edwards:
NBA Draft Forum (also includes 2nd round)
ESPN

Carsen is a very good player and one that'll likely be a first team All-B1G selection his junior and senior year given he'll shoulder the scoring load pretty heavily after 'The Core Four' (they were the reason for the big turnaround the last four years)...if he can do that and show that sustained ability, he likely jumps onto the draft board as a senior in 2020.

 

[TC4THREE]

Barring Injury Carsen will be gone before his senior year. But I would take a 3 year Carsen over 1 yr Romeo

In my 30-or-so years following Purdue basketball, we've had 2 players go pro early that I can remember, Big Dog and Biggie. We've had far more that at times were speculated to leave early but didn't.

I'd hold off on putting Carsen in the 2019 NBA Draft just yet. I hope he does because that would likely mean he's been phenomenal but there's a ton to prove before we get to that point. It's one thing to be a good player at Purdue but it's another to be one of the best nationally and sometimes even that isn't enough for it to make sense to leave college early. We all saw how Swanigan dominated last year and that only barely got him drafted in the first round (26th of 30 first round picks). Frank Mason III was the one player who beat Swanigan out for most of the POTY awards last season and he didn't even get drafted in the first round.

I'm all for Carsen, or any Boilermaker, to leave early if they have put themselves in the position to get guaranteed NBA money. I just think that hurdle is much higher than the average fan on these boards tends to think.

 

[jadeezra]

If I were to wager on it , I'd bet carsen leaves early. Just my opinion , he can shoot, penetrate and is athletic .

 

[Boiler Wolf]

I think Carsen's size will hold him back from leaving early. Also, he looked great against CSU and had some great games in Taiwan. However, let's see how he plays tonight and against Nova and others before making that call.

 

[Fansince72]

I think Carsen's size will hold him back

How tall was Isaiah Thomas? Same size, if I remember right. Oh , his son is only 5'9"

 

[Boilerman1973]

Exactly what I was going to say Carson's size will keep him from going to the NBA early. Now he is about 3 more inches taller he probably would have been gone last year

 

[Do Dah Day]

Barring Injury Carsen will be gone before his senior year. But I would take a 3 year Carsen over 1 yr Romeo

I just don't see this. I respect why you say it, but I don't see it happening. He needs to hear from the combine at least one year, and I don't think he'll be invited this year.

 

[dumpsterFyre]

How tall was Isaiah Thomas? Same size, if I remember right. Oh , his son is only 5'9"

No relation between those two Is(a)iah's.

 

[Boilersss]

How tall was Isaiah Thomas? Same size, if I remember right. Oh , his son is only 5'9"

Carsen's issue is that his play style is more of a 2 guard. He isn't known for getting very many assists. Both players you mentioned were true PGs. Carsen's best NBA comparison is Patty Mills.

 

[BoilerGal74]

Smaltzie as it may seem, I still think it's important to look at more than just talent when recruiting to Purdue... I'm with Coach P when it comes to a recruit needing character and chemistry as well. Just look at UCLA if anyone questions that. Biggie had all three and none of us ( well almost none of us..lol) had issues with him leaving after 2 years. So really need a bigger picture than just raw talent. I will say, however, that I wouldn't replace our Seniors with anyone out there. They have been through the wars for Purdue...and came out of it only making each other stronger... Setting the bar for any future Purdue recruits.

 

[Dakota Girl]

I would choose the one year player or the two and done player over the 4 year player for many reasons. The thing about a 1 year player is that they are often replaced by another 1 year player. To do a fair comparison, you need to compare 4 years against 4 years rather than 1 year against the 4 year player's best year..

granted, a one and done player is not at his best his freshman year. And most NBA teams draft the player on potential rather than actual performance. But neither is a 4 year player at his best his freshman year.. Rather than comparing a 4 year's player's senior year against a 1 year player's only year, you also must evaluate what that 4 year player did his first two years.

When looking at the philosophy of using a one year player, to truly evaluate it, you must look at the team and position for four years, not just one. Kansas provides a good example. They had both Wiggins and Jackson as one year players at basically the same position. So to do a fair comparison against V Edwards and/or Dakota, In all fairness, you need to look at the contributions of Jackson, Wiggins and their other two years to compare. if you compare Edwards against all four years of production at Kansas, I believe the edge would go to Kansas.

the same goes for PJ. Admittedly, it's not the same years, but compare PJ's 4 years to Duke's Erving and 3 years of Duke's other starting PGs. I believe the edge would go to Duke for getting more production out of their PG position than what PJ gave Purdue.

Simply stated, if you were an elite school and had your choice of PJ or Dakota for 4 years, or Romeo, Trent, Ball, and Simmons, at the same position, who would you rather have?

and the thing about one and done players, they attract other elite players, and also future one and done players. Kansas was not a great team because of Jackson or Wiggins. they were a great team because other players came there to play with athletes with their talents. if Duke or UK didn't have one and done players, they wouldn't be able to recruit the other best players in the land.

look at Travis Carroll. he gave up a chance to possibly start at Purdue to be a bench warmer for UK. Why? I believe the answer is obvious.

I get what you are saying but your premise is false for all teams not named Kentucky duke Kansas or UNC.
Everybody else must stock three and four year players and take the top 15 types whenever they can get them.
The problem takes care of itself. Take the best you can get and deal with whatever happens as far as leaving early goes.

 

[Frankie611]

I just don't see this. I respect why you say it, but I don't see it happening. He needs to hear from the combine at least one year, and I don't think he'll be invited this year.

The players I think of are Trey Burke and Melo Trimble. I don't think either of them are better (or have a higher ceiling rather) than Carsen. Trey struck while the iron was hot, Melo waited too long. If Carsen gets any sort of window to jump early due to media attention like Trey got, I hope he does it. If he stays all four years and is healthy, he will likely have a banner with his name on it hanging in the rafters.

 

[Do Dah Day]

The players I think of are Trey Burke and Melo Trimble. I don't think either of them are better (or have a higher ceiling rather) than Carsen. Trey struck while the iron was hot, Melo waited too long. If Carsen gets any sort of window to jump early due to media attention like Trey got, I hope he does it. If he stays all four years and is healthy, he will likely have a banner with his name on it hanging in the rafters.

Agreed. I just don't see a player his height wowing very many NBA teams. He is a great college player, not sure he's a great NBA player - at least not yet. He has to be way more than good to get a first round pick.

 

[mathboy]

I would choose the one year player or the two and done player over the 4 year player for many reasons. The thing about a 1 year player is that they are often replaced by another 1 year player. To do a fair comparison, you need to compare 4 years against 4 years rather than 1 year against the 4 year player's best year..

granted, a one and done player is not at his best his freshman year. And most NBA teams draft the player on potential rather than actual performance. But neither is a 4 year player at his best his freshman year.. Rather than comparing a 4 year's player's senior year against a 1 year player's only year, you also must evaluate what that 4 year player did his first two years.

When looking at the philosophy of using a one year player, to truly evaluate it, you must look at the team and position for four years, not just one. Kansas provides a good example. They had both Wiggins and Jackson as one year players at basically the same position. So to do a fair comparison against V Edwards and/or Dakota, In all fairness, you need to look at the contributions of Jackson, Wiggins and their other two years to compare. if you compare Edwards against all four years of production at Kansas, I believe the edge would go to Kansas.

the same goes for PJ. Admittedly, it's not the same years, but compare PJ's 4 years to Duke's Erving and 3 years of Duke's other starting PGs. I believe the edge would go to Duke for getting more production out of their PG position than what PJ gave Purdue.

Simply stated, if you were an elite school and had your choice of PJ or Dakota for 4 years, or Romeo, Trent, Ball, and Simmons, at the same position, who would you rather have?

and the thing about one and done players, they attract other elite players, and also future one and done players. Kansas was not a great team because of Jackson or Wiggins. they were a great team because other players came there to play with athletes with their talents. if Duke or UK didn't have one and done players, they wouldn't be able to recruit the other best players in the land.

look at Travis Carroll. he gave up a chance to possibly start at Purdue to be a bench warmer for UK. Why? I believe the answer is obvious.

I like how you answered your own questions there.

However, I do agree that he having a super talented kid play for Purdue for a year or two is better than a medium high talent for all 4years.

 

[Dakota Girl]

The players I think of are Trey Burke and Melo Trimble. I don't think either of them are better (or have a higher ceiling rather) than Carsen. Trey struck while the iron was hot, Melo waited too long. If Carsen gets any sort of window to jump early due to media attention like Trey got, I hope he does it. If he stays all four years and is healthy, he will likely have a banner with his name on it hanging in the rafters.

His decision can not be driven by media alone. The NBA gm’s must agree and they don’t give a damn what ESPN says.
Since i don’t know what the NBA told Melo i don’t know if it was a bad decision or not. That doesn’t mean you are wrong though.

 

[gleap1969]

I would choose the one year player or the two and done player over the 4 year player for many reasons. The thing about a 1 year player is that they are often replaced by another 1 year player. To do a fair comparison, you need to compare 4 years against 4 years rather than 1 year against the 4 year player's best year..

granted, a one and done player is not at his best his freshman year. And most NBA teams draft the player on potential rather than actual performance. But neither is a 4 year player at his best his freshman year.. Rather than comparing a 4 year's player's senior year against a 1 year player's only year, you also must evaluate what that 4 year player did his first two years.

When looking at the philosophy of using a one year player, to truly evaluate it, you must look at the team and position for four years, not just one. Kansas provides a good example. They had both Wiggins and Jackson as one year players at basically the same position. So to do a fair comparison against V Edwards and/or Dakota, In all fairness, you need to look at the contributions of Jackson, Wiggins and their other two years to compare. if you compare Edwards against all four years of production at Kansas, I believe the edge would go to Kansas.

the same goes for PJ. Admittedly, it's not the same years, but compare PJ's 4 years to Duke's Erving and 3 years of Duke's other starting PGs. I believe the edge would go to Duke for getting more production out of their PG position than what PJ gave Purdue.

Simply stated, if you were an elite school and had your choice of PJ or Dakota for 4 years, or Romeo, Trent, Ball, and Simmons, at the same position, who would you rather have?

and the thing about one and done players, they attract other elite players, and also future one and done players. Kansas was not a great team because of Jackson or Wiggins. they were a great team because other players came there to play with athletes with their talents. if Duke or UK didn't have one and done players, they wouldn't be able to recruit the other best players in the land.

look at Travis Carroll. he gave up a chance to possibly start at Purdue to be a bench warmer for UK. Why? I believe the answer is obvious.

Derek Willis - Tacos was a Boilermaker from 2010 thru 2014.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Exactly what I was going to say Carson's size will keep him from going to the NBA early. Now he is about 3 more inches taller he probably would have been gone last year

If he was 3 inches taller, he is probably getting bigger sniffs from P5 programs other than jus us and some other AAC programs like Houston.

 

[Boilerman1973]

Yeah you're probably right on that one

 

[meenie]

Romeo is always injured and very soft.

 

[hamcoboiler]

If I were to wager on it , I'd bet carsen leaves early. Just my opinion , he can shoot, penetrate and is athletic .

comletely agree he can do all these, so could yogi. the problem with both, their height. if carsen was 6'6" he would be gone after this year.

yogi came to IU as a MCDAA, had a termendous career, played on Crean's best teams and didn't have the opportunity to go early.

 

[BoilerAndy]

In my 30-or-so years following Purdue basketball, we've had 2 players go pro early that I can remember, Big Dog and Biggie. We've had far more that at times were speculated to leave early but didn't.

Yeah, there haven't been many. Just outside your 30-year window, Russell Cross went pro after his junior year. With the recent improvement in recruiting, they may come more frequently.

 

[punaj]

comletely agree he can do all these, so could yogi. the problem with both, their height. if carsen was 6'6" he would be gone after this year.

yogi came to IU as a MCDAA, had a termendous career, played on Crean's best teams and didn't have the opportunity to go early.

If Carsen were 6’6” he probably would have went to Kentucky with his AAU teammate Fox and would be in the NBA now.

 

[SnowLeopard]

If he was 3 inches taller, he is probably getting bigger sniffs from P5 programs other than jus us and some other AAC programs like Houston.

Carsen also had offers from SEC, ACC and Big 12 schools.

When he committed in August 2015, we had made our first NCAA tournament in 3 years (exiting in round 1). At that point in time, in terms of where we were as a program, non-Purdue fans would not have rated us as clearly ahead of his other offers like Vanderbilt or Baylor

 

[guppy likes purdue]

comletely agree he can do all these, so could yogi. the problem with both, their height. if carsen was 6'6" he would be gone after this year.

yogi came to IU as a MCDAA, had a termendous career, played on Crean's best teams and didn't have the opportunity to go early.

Yogi's issue was athletiscm the NBA picks based on traits, There are 6 foot point guards picked high but they are all super athletes. Though he has played well so far

Carsens issue is that he is a shooting guard and ball dominant. Athletically he is good enough for the NBA but his game transfers poorly. He doesn't really fit a role in the NBA

 

[Bippus33]

Had this thought today...

Although its less and less certain that Romeo Langford is going to IU. It still seems like things are headed that way. He will likely be a one and done or at most two and done player. Whereas Carsen (similar to Yogi) is likely a four year player.

With that said, what would you rather have Langford for a freshman and sophomore campaign or Carsen for a junior and senior campaign?

I will take Carsen all day.

CARSEN.........The kid is a Bull Dog that has the stones!!!

 

[Mclovin-]

Yogi's issue was athletiscm the NBA picks based on traits, There are 6 foot point guards picked high but they are all super athletes. Though he has played well so far

Carsens issue is that he is a shooting guard and ball dominant. Athletically he is good enough for the NBA but his game transfers poorly. He doesn't really fit a role in the NBA

He actually fits in perfectly with the NBA. It's all about isolation scoring/PnR on a lot of teams. That's what Carsen flourishes at. If he can improve his decision-making and handles, and just keeps improving, we will see Carsen on an NBA roster