Redshirt Fun

[lbodel]

I apologize if this has been discussed recently (haven't seen a thread).

Obviously with the roster, not everyone can play - particularly meaningful minutes. We return 8 players who played meaningful minutes last year. We have 1 who returns who medicaly redshirted (Taylor) and add 4 new players - 2 guaranteed to play.

Has there been any talk of redshirts? Who do you foresee redshirting?

Just going off my own guess, I'd like to for sure see Cline redshirt. I think if Stephens and Mathias are healthy, there's very little room for Cline to play. In addition, it sounds like Edwards has improved his perimeter play and Davis has solidified his (I don't know about Hill's 3 point shooting, but sounds like PJ has also improved his). If we aren't desperate for 3 point shooting, minimizes reasons for Cline to play. I think Cline can develop into a really special player at Purdue and it'd be great to see him get 4 full years to really show off after one year working on his strength.

I also wouldn't mind seeing Smotherman redshirt. I think he'll get a bit lost in the rotation and I really like what he brings. Would also say the same about Taylor - there's not really much room for him between Hammons, Haas and Swanigan.

While I don't see Weatherford getting a lot of minutes, I think his talent level doesn't necessarily put him in a redshirt situation (he probably will not be a traditional starter in his career).

With the depth on this roster, a huge challenge for Painter will be to figure out our best rotation. I can already see people on here complaining about "so and so not getting enough playing time" during the non-conference season and asking why Painter holds a grudge. Sigh.

 

[thenagemj02]

Smotherman has already taken the initiative and started talking to CMP about it, so it looks like he will sit out this season. I doubt anyone else will redshirt besides him. Weatherford could RS theoretically, but his ceiling as a player probably isn't so high as to really warrant sitting out the season for developmental reasons.

 

[Boilerbuck]

I apologize if this has been discussed recently (haven't seen a thread).

Obviously with the roster, not everyone can play - particularly meaningful minutes. We return 8 players who played meaningful minutes last year. We have 1 who returns who medicaly redshirted (Taylor) and add 4 new players - 2 guaranteed to play.

Has there been any talk of redshirts? Who do you foresee redshirting?

Just going off my own guess, I'd like to for sure see Cline redshirt. I think if Stephens and Mathias are healthy, there's very little room for Cline to play. In addition, it sounds like Edwards has improved his perimeter play and Davis has solidified his (I don't know about Hill's 3 point shooting, but sounds like PJ has also improved his). If we aren't desperate for 3 point shooting, minimizes reasons for Cline to play. I think Cline can develop into a really special player at Purdue and it'd be great to see him get 4 full years to really show off after one year working on his strength.

I also wouldn't mind seeing Smotherman redshirt. I think he'll get a bit lost in the rotation and I really like what he brings. Would also say the same about Taylor - there's not really much room for him between Hammons, Haas and Swanigan.

While I don't see Weatherford getting a lot of minutes, I think his talent level doesn't necessarily put him in a redshirt situation (he probably will not be a traditional starter in his career).

With the depth on this roster, a huge challenge for Painter will be to figure out our best rotation. I can already see people on here complaining about "so and so not getting enough playing time" during the non-conference season and asking why Painter holds a grudge. Sigh.

I have three reasons Cline shouldn't redshirt:

1. This year we need to be all in. We don't get as many shots at this as some teams.

2. Matthias and Stephens have yet to prove they can stay healthy or be consistent. Stephens shot a decent percentage, but went cold or took quick, bad shots too often. See Cincinnati game as exhibit one.

3. There is no guarantee you get the fifth year anyway. He could go pro, he could use the fifth year transfer, or he might need the redshirt year later, aka Hummel, so why use one now.

For Smotherman, I think it is a no brained.

 

[BoilerinLouisville]

If Basil redshirts, which looks like he will then Cline plays this year. Can't see Painter redshirting two players.
It's a long season, if Mathias can't stay healthy, or god forbid an injury to a key player we will need him.

 

[GenevaSteve]

Depends on the lineup. In CS is at the 4 and VE the 3 then you need someone to backup the 3 and the 4 because you cannot always just rotate starters. That would suggest that Basil not redshirt because he is needed to play spot minutes at the 4 (or the 3 where I think he is better suited). Yes, VE can play the 4 but he cannot start at the 3 and backup the 4 all of the time and yes, Davis can play the 3 but likewise he can not start at the 2 and backup the 3 always. KS can backup the 3 but I set Basil or possibly Taylor getting minutes at the 4. Injuries, even minor ones could put you in a position where you had to pull a Basil redshirt. Even foul trouble, say 2 quick fouls on CS in the 1st half might mean 10 minutes for the backup.

Cline I wait and see and decide after the exhibition game, especially given Mathias health issues that are still causing him problems. Taylor is not going to Redshirt, if he can produce in few minutes I think he sees occasional minutes at the 5 and 4..

 

[punaj]

I don't think Painter would have brought up the idea of Basil redshirting during media day if it was already a pretty solidly done deal.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

That fact that the idea has been brought up about Basil RS'ing and it being brought up at Media Days is indicates that CMP was very up front with Basil in the first few days of actual practice. I think this speaks to the depth that the team has currently on the wing and that Basil sees the improvement he needs to make to see meaningful minutes going forward. Why waste a year where you will see a maximum of 10 minutes a night if you believe your ceiling will be higher in the next 2 years if given the opportunity?

Basil was brought to Purdue by the staff to be an attacking wing player who can develop a jump shot. That hasn't come at this point and given a year to develop that and then be able to have two years to contribute will do him well, not only in college but in finding a job overseas.

Even given his potential at the 4, Smotherman would be in this standing:

4: Swanigan, Edwards, Smotherman/Taylor
3: Edwards, Davis, Mathias, Stephens, Cline, Smotherman

There just isn't a lot of minutes to be there for a junior. I think it also says a lot about Cline and his ability to come in and play some good minutes that he would take those away from Smotherman to the point of Basil red shirting.

 

[FinallyABoilerFinal4]

How are Mathias & Cline different? Good shooters, good ball-handles, good passers, limited defenders due to athleticism and experience. I don't want anyone to redshirt, but it makes more sense to redshirt one of these two, Mathias because of continued health issues and Cline because of having zero experience.

If the one thing keeping Basil from being a great player was shooting, PJ confirmed that Basil took part in the 50,000 shot challenge again this offseason. That challenge didn't show significant improvement for Bryson or Basil last year. But it might take two years for it to really produce results, one year to build muscle memory, the next to strengthen it. All we have to go on for this year are Basil's stats from the scrimmage: 6-7 from field, 2-3 from 3, 2-2 from line. Plus, you got the normal effect of Basil's team-best athleticism: tied for 3rd in rebounds and tied for second in steals. It's simple: redshirting Basil makes Purdue weaker, redshirting Cline or Mathias has little noticeable effect.

 

[njm8845]

I agree. If the goal is to go "all in" this year, then I think we need Smotherman available. It seems like good tournament teams always have good sparkplugs off the bench.

I feel like Smotherman can change the tide of 2-3 games this year. I'm not so sure about Cline....

 

[Boiler Buck]

[QUOTE="FinallyABoilerFinal4, post: 433382, member: 16441"]How are Mathias & Cline different? Good shooters, good ball-handles, good passers, limited defenders due to athleticism and experience. I don't want anyone to redshirt, but it makes more sense to redshirt one of these two, Mathias because of continued health issues and Cline because of having zero experience. [/QUOTE]

Mathias is tougher, a more experienced defender and has shown himself to understand the game and what Painter is wanting to do. Mathais just will play D at a higher D1 level.

 

[thenagemj02]

Smotherman is probably the most explosive athlete on the team, so there is some reason for concern if he decides to redshirt. The question to ask is would his production be significant enough that if he's not available, is the team worse off for it?

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Smotherman is probably the most explosive athlete on the team, so there is some reason for concern if he decides to redshirt. The question to ask is would his production be significant enough that if he's not available, is the team worse off for it?

I've said he should redshirt, but if he truly has transformed himself into a shooter (like Oladipo did a few years ago), he might be too valuable this season to redshirt.

 

[thenagemj02]

IF the coaching staff KNOWS that he's not going to be fully healthy this season, Mathias might be actually be the best choice to redshirt. I think he, Cline, and Smotherman (because of Smotherman's own concerns about PT) are the only redshirt possibilities for this season. I don't think more than one player should redshirt. Either one player redshirts or no one redshirts in 2015-2016.

 

[BoilerFan#35]

I can see Basil's thinking. Why waist a year of eligibility if you could take a year off and in that year make the next two season a whole lot better. He is just insuring his future. Caleb may stay two years which would open up a starting spot as well as Vince already being on some draft boards. Basil has the right thinking he is a great athlete that could use an extra year to fine tune his game and work on fundamentals. As far as Cline I would like him to RS also. PJ is looking solid which means he could play some fill in 2 when Kendall and Dakota are out.

 

[*4purdue*]

IF the coaching staff KNOWS that he's not going to be fully healthy this season, Mathias might be actually be the best choice to redshirt. I think he, Cline, and Smotherman (because of Smotherman's own concerns about PT) are the only redshirt possibilities for this season. I don't think more than one player should redshirt. Either one player redshirts or no one redshirts in 2015-2016.

No way Mathias red shirts, he will be playing major minutes this year. I don't think Cline does either. We have 3 pure shooters on this team. Cline, Stephens and Mathias. The hot hand will play each night. Between the 3 at least one of them should be on.

 

[thenagemj02]

No way Mathias red shirts, he will be playing major minutes this year. I don't think Cline does either. We have 3 pure shooters on this team. Cline, Stephens and Mathias. The hot hand will play each night. Between the 3 at least one of them should be on.

That's why I used the word IF. If you knew, right now, that Mathias was going to be either sick (I believe he currently has a sinus problem of some sort) or hobbled for the majority or entirety of this upcoming season, would you play him or would you redshirt him?