9 man rotation prediction with minutes

[qazplm]

Would be a crime if TKR plays less than 30. He’s the best PF in the country.

Believe they have said Murphy will be more of a small ball 4–similar to Heide.

And we have Murphy who we hope can shoot like him, but we don’t know if he can at a high level of competition. Hoping he can. But I think Murphy is gonna play 5-8 minutes at the 4 and no 3 time.

To play devils advocate and to to ask what you did above…where’s the last time paint switched his offense up with the core 3 back?

Cox was the only one that showed he could go on a heater and him and fletch can play together. Maybe Mayer dips into fletch’s mins.

I think he was focused on the front court with Cluff and Murphy. Mayer is more for the future.

Mayer is only for the future if he's overrated. If he's not he's a one or two year player at best.

I haven't seen anything restricting Murphy to the 4. We've already got four guys at the 4-5. Unless Paint is redshirting Burgess.

TKR played less than 31 minutes last season when he was basically all we had down low. Some of that was rest, some of it was foul trouble. I don't think the line of crime is 31 minutes or 28 minutes. Why is 30 minutes this magic line? For Loyer and now for TKR? Big men need rest. Not everyone is a freak like Edey. We have the players to rest him, and to spell him when he occasionally gets into foul trouble which we all know happens.

If each of the big 3 play 3-4 minutes less this upcoming season it's not even going to be noticeable to people watching the game. Loyer played three minutes less a game when we had Jones. Did it somehow hurt us? I think having three big men who can mix and match gives us a lot of flexibility.

Now who knows, maybe DJ isn't ready. Maybe Cluff is overrated. Maybe Mayer is overrated. Maybe Murphy never leaves the bench. Maybe Benter plays mop up minutes. Maybe we have to run it back with the same minutes as last season.

Maybe we take Colvin and Heide's 37 minutes and that's all that Mayer, Murphy, Cluff, DJ, and Benter get. Yeah, we could see Burgess not play but he didn't take up many minutes last season anyways.

It's possible, I just find it unlikely. Someone's minutes are going down at least a little to make room for these guys. To me three of those guys minimum are getting 10+, and because I "trust Painter" to identify talent, I think it's going to be closer to 20 a game for at least three of them some if not most games. That's 25-30 minutes more you're going to have to find out of Colvin and Heide's minutes. So if you think that's possible, and it appears you aren't high on Mayer being one of them, but you have to think Cluff and DJ are each at least 20 right? Where do those extra minutes come from?

 

[qazplm]

I'd guess that Murphy and Loyer are hardly ever on the court together. Maybe only in situation where we're down late and we need extra 3-point shooting. Sounds like Murphy's bigger so could play some Heide-4 like Purvis said. Not sure about his rebounding skills. In that case it could be with Braden and 2 of Cox/Harris/Mayer with 1 big, Jacobsen probably for the rim protection and rebounding.

The possibilities are really endless.

Your last sentence is really it. Painter has options now. A lot. I think he wanted options for this season. I think he's going to use some of those options. He has a lot of them as you say.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I'd guess that Murphy and Loyer are hardly ever on the court together. Maybe only in situation where we're down late and we need extra 3-point shooting. Sounds like Murphy's bigger so could play some Heide-4 like Purvis said. Not sure about his rebounding skills. In that case it could be with Braden and 2 of Cox/Harris/Mayer with 1 big, Jacobsen probably for the rim protection and rebounding.

The possibilities are really endless.

I don’t think we can ever have 2 of fletch, Murphy or Benter out there together UNLESS it’s at the end of a game and we have the last possession on offense while down 😂

 

[qazplm]

I don’t think we can ever have 2 of fletch, Murphy or Benter out there together UNLESS it’s at the end of a game and we have the last possession on offense while down 😂

Is Murphy bad at defense? I honestly don't know.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Mayer is only for the future if he's overrated. If he's not he's a one or two year player at best.

I wouldn’t say he’s overrated. I would say he wouldn’t be featured as much as the future years/I’m not sure we will see his full capabilities until he gets the keys to the car. He is being talked about as the biggest steal form the international side and he just so happened to pick the school with the best PG in the country.

I haven't seen anything restricting Murphy to the 4. We've already got four guys at the 4-5. Unless Paint is redshirting Burgess.

Brian has talked about it on podcasts. Burgess just had the same surgery at the end of the season as DJ did…it would make the most sense for him to RS to give his body a good amount of rest to recover. But nothing has been said.

TKR played less than 31 minutes last season when he was basically all we had down low. Some of that was rest, some of it was foul trouble. I don't think the line of crime is 31 minutes or 28 minutes. Why is 30 minutes this magic line?

It’s the line because that’s what he averaged so I’d assume you play a first team all American 30 mins or more in a game.

For Loyer and now for TKR? Big men need rest. Not everyone is a freak like Edey. We have the players to rest him, and to spell him when he occasionally gets into foul trouble which we all know happens.

If each of the big 3 play 3-4 minutes less this upcoming season it's not even going to be noticeable to people watching the game.

True.

Loyer played three minutes less a game when we had Jones. Did it somehow hurt us? I think having three big men who can mix and match gives us a lot of flexibility.

Agree.

TKR 30+ (depending on game flow)
Cluff 20-25
DJ 15-20
RB/Murphy combo of them with remaining mins

Now who knows, maybe DJ isn't ready. Maybe Cluff is overrated. Maybe Mayer is overrated.

I think it’s more they aren’t featured/the focal point. Just need them do their job—front court needs to rebound and protect the rim and Mayer plays solid behind Branden or with. As of now, he’s not a great 3pt shooter nor shooter in general. However, Purdue and staff has shown they can quickly improve that.

Maybe Murphy never leaves the bench. Maybe Benter plays mop up minutes. Maybe we have to run it back with the same minutes as last season.

Maybe we take Colvin and Heide's 37 minutes and that's all that Mayer, Murphy, Cluff, DJ, and Benter get. Yeah, we could see Burgess not play but he didn't take up many minutes last season anyways.

It's possible, I just find it unlikely. Someone's minutes are going down at least a little to make room for these guys. To me three of those guys minimum are getting 10+, and because I "trust Painter" to identify talent, I think it's going to be closer to 20 a game for at least three of them some if not most games. That's 25-30 minutes more you're going to have to find out of Colvin and Heide's minutes. So if you think that's possible, and it appears you aren't high on Mayer being one of them, but you have to think Cluff and DJ are each at least 20 right? Where do those extra minutes come from?

Smith locked in at 35

The rest can fluctuate +- 5 mins (and yes that includes Loyer)

Loyer 30
Cox 20
Harris 20
Mayer 15
Benter 0-5 (maybe even Waddell mins for just this upcoming year)
West RS or also 0-5 (unless he’s really good right away, which would be awesome, prob best interest to RS)

Hopefully I did math right 😂

 

[POTFHBTFU]

Again, if Fletch plays 30+ minutes and Smith plays near 40 you only have 15 minutes total for the new guys unless you are going to take minutes away from Cox and Harris.

TKR probably loses a few minutes too because again there are way more quality players on this team next season then possibly Purdue has ever had.

When's the last time we had three guys who could all legit play center at a high level?

We have 9 guys at the 1-3. Painter didn't bring in Murphy to ride the pine. He didn't bring in Mayer to play 5-10 minutes.

Loyer played so many minutes bc Colvin didn't make the jump, and bc Heide spent time at the 4 which opened up minutes at the 1-3 so you could play Loyer 30+ bc you didn't have as much competition for minutes and you didn't have anyone who could shoot like him, and you really only had the personnel to play one way.

Now, as you've correctly pointed out, we have variability in play styles possible now. We could go two big, spacing out with shooters which in those scenarios that's a Fletch game.

Or we can go more fast paced with DJ anchoring down low and putting athletic guys around him, that's not a Fletch game.

We also have alternatives for when Fletch is off, and yes, that happens. We also have players that can get into a heater which might delay another players return.

If Painter wanted to do exactly what we did last season, he wouldn't have used the portal, he's just have run it back

I think where many of us are in disagreement is on Braden and loyers minutes. Hey won’t play 70 minutes, they played 68 this last year and paint said it was too much. It will likely be closer to 60 than 70.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Is Murphy bad at defense? I honestly don't know.

Both him and Jack aren’t too quick on that side of the ball.

 

[qazplm]

I think where many of us are in disagreement is on Braden and loyers minutes. Hey won’t play 70 minutes, they played 68 this last year and paint said it was too much. It will likely be closer to 60 than 70.

I mean if it's closer to 60 than I'm guessing more minutes come from Loyer than Smith. Where did Painter say it was too much? If he said that that would certainly end the conversation.

 

[qazplm]

I wouldn’t say he’s overrated. I would say he wouldn’t be featured as much as the future years/I’m not sure we will see his full capabilities until he gets the keys to the car. He is being talked about as the biggest steal form the international side and he just so happened to pick the school with the best PG in the country.

Brian has talked about it on podcasts. Burgess just had the same surgery at the end of the season as DJ did…it would make the most sense for him to RS to give his body a good amount of rest to recover. But nothing has been said.

It’s the line because that’s what he averaged so I’d assume you play a first team all American 30 mins or more in a game.

True.

Agree.

TKR 30+ (depending on game flow)
Cluff 20-25
DJ 15-20
RB/Murphy combo of them with remaining mins


I think it’s more they aren’t featured/the focal point. Just need them do their job—front court needs to rebound and protect the rim and Mayer plays solid behind Branden or with. As of now, he’s not a great 3pt shooter nor shooter in general. However, Purdue and staff has shown they can quickly improve that.

Smith locked in at 35

The rest can fluctuate +- 5 mins (and yes that includes Loyer)

Loyer 30
Cox 20
Harris 20
Mayer 15
Benter 0-5 (maybe even Waddell mins for just this upcoming year)
West RS or also 0-5 (unless he’s really good right away, which would be awesome, prob best interest to RS)

Hopefully I did math right 😂

Well if Benter and West get five you need to find ten minutes. If they both get 0 then there you go but we will have to agree to disagree that Murphy only sees minutes at the 4. But yeah, that's all I'm saying man, we are going to see fluctuations on minutes game to game simply bc of the more options we have and sometimes that's gonna mean Loyer is in the 20s, as one example.

 

[POTFHBTFU]

I mean if it's closer to 60 than I'm guessing more minutes come from Loyer than Smith. Where did Painter say it was too much? If he said that that would certainly end the conversation.

He frequently said that about Braden last year. He said the same about TKR at times, in reference to a short bench.

 

[BoilerAndy]

Both him and Jack aren’t too quick on that side of the ball.

I don't doubt your word, but I want to see them play. If Benter is a smart, crafty player, he could join a long list of "slow" Boilers who were good defenders.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I don't doubt your word, but I want to see them play. If Benter is a smart, crafty player, he could join a long list of "slow" Boilers who were good defenders.

But you don’t want them and Loyer on the floor together is all I’m sayin 😂

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

He frequently said that about Braden last year. He said the same about TKR at times, in reference to a short bench.

No way smith is under 35 min this year 😂
(Unless Purdue is up on a ton of opponents)

 

[qazplm]

No way smith is under 35 min this year 😂
(Unless Purdue is up on a ton of opponents)

90 percent no. But we might actually be up on a lot of opponents. Most top 4 teams have a lot of those games in a season.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

90 percent no. But we might actually be up on a lot of opponents. Most top 4 teams have a lot of those games in a season.

Prob a few but the way paint has scheduled the non con it won’t be that many

 

[qazplm]

Prob a few but the way paint has scheduled the non con it won’t be that many

It's not like the conference is loaded with top 25 teams, plenty of games will not require 35+ from Smith.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

It's not like the conference is loaded with top 25 teams, plenty of games will not require 35+ from Smith.

Let’s hope

 

[Heads up BOILER]

I don’t think we can ever have 2 of fletch, Murphy or Benter out there together UNLESS it’s at the end of a game and we have the last possession on offense while down 😂

If that’s the case then I think it doesn’t speak positively or confidently about our team. If we’re going to have to play Loyer 30+ minutes a game still like some folks are saying because we can’t play him with a group of new players, (but doesn’t address guys like Cox, Harris, Mayer…then did the team that actually add enough to get to the next level they’re striving to achieve? So why’d we even pick up Murphy? It’s like saying Benter is now gonna be hanging out in Waddells old shoes. I don’t think he will based off rumblings about his play on scout team last season and comments painter makes about him when he’s asked. That also reflects on anyone else on the floor (excluding Smith &TKR) with them doesn’t it? This screams these three guys are weak defenders and would cost us if playing together.

 

[Heads up BOILER]

Just a little word on one of our guys

 

[POTFHBTFU]

No way smith is under 35 min this year 😂
(Unless Purdue is up on a ton of opponents)

We will be. I’m sure he will play 35+ in close games. I’ve said all along on here he will likely average 35.

 

[Heads up BOILER]

Cox looks to be tearing it up this off season

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Cox looks to be tearing it up this off season

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If he can be in the 10+ range consistently every night and be a lockdown on ball defender….👀👀👀

 

[Heads up BOILER]

Omer Mayer scout info

 

[Gman544]

Here is what the last few champs started 1-3

Florida: 6-2, 6-2, 6-5
UConn: 6-4, 6-5, 6-6
UConn: 6-5, 6-5, 6-6
Kansas: 6-1, 6-5, 6-6
Baylor: 6-2, 6-3, 6-4(including 6-5 at the 4)

Lots of big guards

 

[northside100]

I don't doubt your word, but I want to see them play. If Benter is a smart, crafty player, he could join a long list of "slow" Boilers who were good defenders.

Benter will be fine as a defender so long as he puts in the scout. Murphy isn’t guarding a three in the Big Ten.

 

[Bank Shot Podcast]

Lots of big guards

Everyone 3 was 6-5 or 6-6. It was the 1 and 2 that differed. UConn was big both years.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Omer Mayer scout info

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Interesting stuff!

What stood out to me:

“He can control the pace of the game (and no shade to cox or harris), but it is what is needed once smith is taking a breather”

“He’ll be ready like Jakucionis from illinois”

“He scored 30 in a second half (included double OT) in U19 games vs Serbia.”

Excited to see how he fits and how well he does!

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Interesting stuff!

This is the 2nd time now that I've seen at least parts of this interview, and I can't get over the fact that the scout/expert looks like he has to be younger than Omer!

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

This is the 2nd time now that I've seen at least parts of this interview, and I can't get over the fact that the scout/expert looks like he has to be younger than Omer!

And shows no emotion whatsoever. Don’t even know if he’s actually good at scouting these guys or not. Greg gives him that nod but I have no clue haha

 

[Hausta01]

Is Murphy bad at defense? I honestly don't know.

Its not a strength - but he just needs to not be Jalen Brunson bad and hit open 3s. Hes 6'8" and not a ball handler so I would imagine he won't be in the court with only 2 guards at all. He may very well be the 4 for late game lead situations as a solid FT shooter (75% career)

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Its not a strength - but he just needs to not be Jalen Brunson bad and hit open 3s. Hes 6'8" and not a ball handler so I would imagine he won't be in the court with only 2 guards at all. He may very well be the 4 for late game lead situations as a solid FT shooter (75% career)

I believe paint said (or maybe it was neubert or boiler in the stands) Murphy’s a good corner 3pt shooter (might be his best spot on the court) which is perfect for when Smith comes off the PnR.

 

[qazplm]

Its not a strength - but he just needs to not be Jalen Brunson bad and hit open 3s. Hes 6'8" and not a ball handler so I would imagine he won't be in the court with only 2 guards at all. He may very well be the 4 for late game lead situations as a solid FT shooter (75% career)

What if those two guards are Mayer and Smith? Or Smith and Cox?