Recruiting advantage

[BoilerStutz]

So the Boilers really struggled to recruit under Hope and Hazell, even with Hope's (actually Burke's) "futuristic recruiting" plan - egads, this was dumb. But with a new and highly capable coaching staff and a new and fancy football facility, recruiting should improve rather quickly. And perhaps the greatest advantage Purdue has to offer is immediate playing time for talented recruits. Everyone wants to play right away, and I trust our coaches are telling recruits the opportunities to do so at Purdue right now are immense. I'm eager to see talented kids come our way.

 

[SKYDOG]

So the Boilers really struggled to recruit under Hope and Hazell, even with Hope's (actually Burke's) "futuristic recruiting" plan - egads, this was dumb. But with a new and highly capable coaching staff and a new and fancy football facility, recruiting should improve rather quickly. And perhaps the greatest advantage Purdue has to offer is immediate playing time for talented recruits. Everyone wants to play right away, and I trust our coaches are telling recruits the opportunities to do so at Purdue right now are immense. I'm eager to see talented kids come our way.

Early playing time has been the promise for a long time around here already. I hope they have something else to sell.

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

I think alot of recruits saw what Brohm did at Western KY and think he can do the same at Purdue.

 

[TheBoris]

But with a new and highly capable coaching staff and a new and fancy football facility, recruiting should improve rather quickly.

I hope you're right but there is no palpable reason at all, none, to believe that recruiting will "...improve rather quickly...". None of the top kids in the 2017 class in Indiana switched to Purdue, they're all going out of state to Clemson, Louisville, Ohio State, Michigan, etc.

I'd love to see another Tiller miracle but getting our current train wreck turned around is going to a long, slow, difficult process if it happens at all.

 

[boilerbusdriver]

I hope you're right but there is no palpable reason at all, none, to believe that recruiting will "...improve rather quickly...". None of the top kids in the 2017 class in Indiana switched to Purdue, they're all going out of state to Clemson, Louisville, Ohio State, Michigan, etc.

I'd love to see another Tiller miracle but getting our current train wreck turned around is going to a long, slow, difficult process if it happens at all.

I really believe it will happen, some how some way, string together 2 decent recruiting classes in a row, start winning, keep increasing the win totals from year- to- year, showing PU is making progress
It will happen....enough said!

 

[TheBoris]

I really believe it will happen, some how some way, string together 2 decent recruiting classes in a row, start winning, keep increasing the win totals from year- to- year, showing PU is making progress
It will happen....enough said!

Let me know when the 4-5 stars start signing up, OK?

 

[boilerbusdriver]

You bet I will Boris, it won't be tomorrow, but hold on Buddy, it's gonna happen!!

 

[boilerbusdriver]

Let me know when the 4-5 stars start signing up, OK?

Give me 2 great classes 3*-4* players, who are ALL in and ready to out work everyone and bust their behinds with this Coaching staff and I'll show you a 8 Win season, would that be enough?

 

[StickPurdue]

It will be a slow process, but he hs already shown potential in bringing the program back. A facilities upgrade will help. Winning will help. Ideally, Purdue will be bowl eligible within three years, but that might be on the optimistic side. His recruiting approach is light years ahead of the haze. Unfortunately, even with the improved coaching, the talent is pretty thin. I don't think that CJB realized how bad things were when he took the job. Patience will likely be a word thrown around a lot for the next few years. CJB has strong ties to Midwest recruiting and was a perfect fit. I don't know that I would expect top 250 players until the winning starts, but with a full year to recruit it will improve. Only place to go is up.

 

[TheBoris]

It appears that we're all in agreement that the statement "...recruiting should improve rather quickly..." is wildly optimistic. It's gonna be a long, slow process. If you read through this thread again, that's what I said above.

 

[PaBoiler78]

It appears that we're all in agreement that the statement "...recruiting should improve rather quickly..." is wildly optimistic. It's gonna be a long, slow process. If you read through this thread again, that's what I said above.

I think it will happen too, if it's on the slow side for some people so be it, if it happens too fast guess what happens? our coach will get poached.

 

[TheBoris]

I think it will happen too, if it's on the slow side for some people so be it, if it happens too fast guess what happens? our coach will get poached.

I do not agree that Brohm will automatically get poached. Myles Brand is gone and we have a new AD and, I believe, a new philosophy. I would hope that we'd keep his salary competitive enough that he'd be here long term.

 

[jsglenn4]

I do not agree that Brohm will automatically get poached. Myles Brand is gone and we have a new AD and, I believe, a new philosophy. I would hope that we'd keep his salary competitive enough that he'd be here long term.

While it's not automatic Brohm will get poached, Purdue's AD would be wise to have a plan in place in case Louisville comes calling. Due to their outside resources, U of L can spend with all but the very top programs. I suspect they are your only serious threat for the next few years. A sustained run of excellence at Purdue (which I know you all hope for) probably makes him a target for the elite programs in about 5 years time. Purdue (and 95% of other schools) can't hope to compete on compensation at that point. You will need some serious quality of life advantages to hope to retain him at that point.

 

[PaBoiler78]

While it's not automatic Brohm will get poached, Purdue's AD would be wise to have a plan in place in case Louisville comes calling. Due to their outside resources, U of L can spend with all but the very top programs. I suspect they are your only serious threat for the next few years. A sustained run of excellence at Purdue (which I know you all hope for) probably makes him a target for the elite programs in about 5 years time. Purdue (and 95% of other schools) can't hope to compete on compensation at that point. You will need some serious quality of life advantages to hope to retain him at that point.

I agree esp. with a quick turn around, also noticed that Fleck got 12 3 stars committed already.

 

[Bippus33]

Early playing time has been the promise for a long time around here already. I hope they have something else to sell.

So true....but this time you do not have a clown wearing a coaches costume trying to selling it!!

 

[TheBoris]

While it's not automatic Brohm will get poached, Purdue's AD would be wise to have a plan in place in case Louisville comes calling. Due to their outside resources, U of L can spend with all but the very top programs. I suspect they are your only serious threat for the next few years. A sustained run of excellence at Purdue (which I know you all hope for) probably makes him a target for the elite programs in about 5 years time. Purdue (and 95% of other schools) can't hope to compete on compensation at that point. You will need some serious quality of life advantages to hope to retain him at that point.

It appears that you are unaware that Petrino has a $10 million buyout at U of L. Your thesis is hogwash.

http://www.courier-journal.com/stor...-is-where-i-want-to-finish-my-career/4390429/

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I agree esp. with a quick turn around, also noticed that Fleck got 12 3 stars committed already.

Minny and Purdue are on two totally different levels right now. Minny has had legit success and chances at winning the West the last few years.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Minny and Purdue are on two totally different levels right now. Minny has had legit success and chances at winning the West the last few years.

Too bad Jerry Kill's health went south or they'd be a strong contender in the West every year.

 

[jsglenn4]

It appears that you are unaware that Petrino has a $10 million buyout at U of L. Your thesis is hogwash.

http://www.courier-journal.com/stor...-is-where-i-want-to-finish-my-career/4390429/

First, I believe I'm on record here as saying Brohm is a good hire for Purdue and will likely do well. If not, I'm doing so now. Having said that, Petrino will either a) Continue to win at Louisville and the buyout isn't meaningful as the Cards are not looking to change their coach, b) Not continue to win at Louisville and the buyout isn't meaningful because UofL wants the change, not Petrino, or c) he does something to invoke the morals clause, in which case the buyout doesn't apply. In a perverse way, the buyout may actually work against Purdue in that it may prevent Petrino from jumping ship before Brohm has a chance to build an impressive resume in WL. If UofL were in the market for a new coach in the next year or two, they likely would search for someone with a higher profile than Brohm currently has.

"While it's not automatic Brohm will get poached, Purdue's AD would be wise to have a plan in place in case Louisville comes calling."

My "thesis" is that Purdue would be wise to have a plan for dealing with Louisville coming after their football coach. Brohm grew up in Louisville, was a high school legend in Louisville, and became a Cardinal football legend playing at Louisville. Purdue made a good hire and if he excels, they should expect they are going to have a very difficult time holding off Louisville and even bigger suitors in a few years. Is it automatic he will leave for Louisville? No, it is not, but any Purdue fan who does not recognize the likelyhood here is simply living in denial.

 

[BoilerBloodline]

Let me know when the 4-5 stars start signing up, OK?

LMAO...how many "stars" did Brees have? Short? Kerrigan? Spencer? Light? Okeafor? We all put far too much stock into how many stars follow a players name. I've seen no star kids end up starting in the NFL and "5 Star" kids barely see the field in college.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

First, I believe I'm on record here as saying Brohm is a good hire for Purdue and will likely do well. If not, I'm doing so now. Having said that, Petrino will either a) Continue to win at Louisville and the buyout isn't meaningful as the Cards are not looking to change their coach, b) Not continue to win at Louisville and the buyout isn't meaningful because UofL wants the change, not Petrino, or c) he does something to invoke the morals clause, in which case the buyout doesn't apply. In a perverse way, the buyout may actually work against Purdue in that it may prevent Petrino from jumping ship before Brohm has a chance to build an impressive resume in WL. If UofL were in the market for a new coach in the next year or two, they likely would search for someone with a higher profile than Brohm currently has.

"While it's not automatic Brohm will get poached, Purdue's AD would be wise to have a plan in place in case Louisville comes calling."

My "thesis" is that Purdue would be wise to have a plan for dealing with Louisville coming after their football coach. Brohm grew up in Louisville, was a high school legend in Louisville, and became a Cardinal football legend playing at Louisville. Purdue made a good hire and if he excels, they should expect they are going to have a very difficult time holding off Louisville and even bigger suitors in a few years. Is it automatic he will leave for Louisville? No, it is not, but any Purdue fan who does not recognize the likelyhood here is simply living in denial.

I can't honestly see Petrino getting another shot at a big boy program that would put him in a better situation than Louisville both monetarily and to win.

 

[jsglenn4]

I can't honestly see Petrino getting another shot at a big boy program that would put him in a better situation than Louisville both monetarily and to win.

I think you're probably right that Louisville is now the ceiling for Petrino. He's only 56 years old. If he keeps winning (and his nose clean), Purdue is likely safe on that front. If I were one of you guys, I'd become a closet Cardinal fan. If Brohm's progression at Purdue runs something like 4, 5, 7, 8, 9 wins over five years, you've got to be prepared for the perennial powers to come after your guy hard.

 

[FirstDownB]

I think you're probably right that Louisville is now the ceiling for Petrino. He's only 56 years old. If he keeps winning (and his nose clean), Purdue is likely safe on that front. If I were one of you guys, I'd become a closet Cardinal fan. If Brohm's progression at Purdue runs something like 4, 5, 7, 8, 9 wins over five years, you've got to be prepared for the perennial powers to come after your guy hard.

If Brohm turns this thing into an 8-9 win program in 5 years he can run for governor for all I care (and he might win). After Hazell we are at the nadir of D1 FBS college football. This program is on life support and Brohm & Co. are doing their best to revive it. Worrying about whether someone will poach him because he wins too much is like a starving person winning a five year supply of free food worried about whether or not it is organic.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

If Brohm turns this thing into an 8-9 win program in 5 years he can run for governor for all I care (and he might win). After Hazell we are at the nadir of D1 FBS college football. This program is on life support and Brohm & Co. are doing their best to revive it. Worrying about whether someone will poach him because he wins too much is like a starving person winning a five year supply of free food worried about whether or not it is organic.

Agree here. If Brohm gets Purdue to 9 wins....it opens up a talent pool for coaching that Purdue didn't have after Hazell. Getting a guy that got Purdue (in your mind) to 9 wins from that limited pool would be the equivalent of finding the best QB of all time in the 6th round of the NFL Draft (Tom Brady).

 

[BSTJim]

The key is Bobinski. I hope we can keep him for another 10 years. The guy is a winner. If Brohm goes on to great success and leaves Purdue,. I'm confident that Bobo will get a good follow up.

 

[SKYDOG]

LMAO...how many "stars" did Brees have? Short? Kerrigan? Spencer? Light? Okeafor? We all put far too much stock into how many stars follow a players name. I've seen no star kids end up starting in the NFL and "5 Star" kids barely see the field in college.

However, the odds of the higher rated players are usually the better players. Saban, Meyer, and other top coaches recruit four and five star players for a reason.

 

[TheBoris]

The key is Bobinski. I hope we can keep him for another 10 years. The guy is a winner. If Brohm goes on to great success and leaves Purdue,. I'm confident that Bobo will get a good follow up.

Bobinski will be here until Jack Swarbrick leaves ND and that might sooner than you think.

 

[TheBoris]

I think you're probably right that Louisville is now the ceiling for Petrino. He's only 56 years old. If he keeps winning (and his nose clean), Purdue is likely safe on that front. If I were one of you guys, I'd become a closet Cardinal fan. If Brohm's progression at Purdue runs something like 4, 5, 7, 8, 9 wins over five years, you've got to be prepared for the perennial powers to come after your guy hard.

Louisville is recruiting Indiana better than Purdue is, regardless that it is probably the worst academic school in the P5. This includes football, men's hoops and women's hoops. You might want to back off in being a Cardinal fan.

 

[BSTJim]

Bobinski will be here until Jack Swarbrick leaves ND and that might sooner than you think.

Maybe so. It probably depends upon how Kelly does this year. If Kelly gets fired, I think it moves Swarbrick's probable retirement date forward and ND would probably want a new AD to hire the next football coach. If that's the case, there is a chance that Bobinski wouldn't jump this soon. If ND really went full court press on him, it would be really tough for him to say no. I'd hate to see him go.

Bobinski going to ND could potentially help Purdue in some ways. Just a wild ass guess, but it might lead to some really interesting developments. With the relationships that Bobinski is cultivating with other BIG ADs.... A renewed series with ND? ND making moves toward the BIG?

 

[TheBoris]

Maybe so. It probably depends upon how Kelly does this year. If Kelly gets fired, I think it moves Swarbrick's probable retirement date forward and ND would probably want a new AD to hire the next football coach. If that's the case, there is a chance that Bobinski wouldn't jump this soon. If ND really went full court press on him, it would be really tough for him to say no. I'd hate to see him go.

Bobinski going to ND could potentially help Purdue in some ways. Just a wild ass guess, but it might lead to some really interesting developments. With the relationships that Bobinski is cultivating with other BIG ADs.... A renewed series with ND? ND making moves toward the BIG?

Right, Bobinski going to ND could help Purdue and it could also hurt Purdue. It's entirely possible that we could lose both an AD and a football coach to ND.

It's hard to guess what might happen but if ND goes goes something like 4-8 again, something will change in South Bend.

 

[BSTJim]

Right, Bobinski going to ND could help Purdue and it could also hurt Purdue. It's entirely possible that we could lose both an AD and a football coach to ND.

It's hard to guess what might happen but if ND goes goes something like 4-8 again, something will change in South Bend.

I have serious doubts that ND would hire Brohm from West Lafayette, especially if he hasn't turned the corner yet. If Brohm has Purdue bowling in 1-3 years, all bets are off. ND will be in a serious competition for his services. Bobinski would certainly be a solid candidate for the ND AD job, but far from the only good candidate.

That said, I've never feared losing good people....as long as good people are making the replacement decisions. Right now, Purdue has a pretty good team pulling the strings. I've always had confidence in Daniels and I've been impressed with Berghoff's impact.

 

[BoilerBloodline]

However, the odds of the higher rated players are usually the better players. Saban, Meyer, and other top coaches recruit four and five star players for a reason.

Yes...BUT they get the very best of those 4-5 Star guys. The ones that have been physically & mentally scrutinized the most.

 

[Bippus33]

LMAO...how many "stars" did Brees have? Short? Kerrigan? Spencer? Light? Okeafor? We all put far too much stock into how many stars follow a players name. I've seen no star kids end up starting in the NFL and "5 Star" kids barely see the field in college.

Amen!!!!!!! The Temple OLB was a walk-on and was drafted in the upper half of the first round of the draft.

 

[Bippus33]

First, I believe I'm on record here as saying Brohm is a good hire for Purdue and will likely do well. If not, I'm doing so now. Having said that, Petrino will either a) Continue to win at Louisville and the buyout isn't meaningful as the Cards are not looking to change their coach, b) Not continue to win at Louisville and the buyout isn't meaningful because UofL wants the change, not Petrino, or c) he does something to invoke the morals clause, in which case the buyout doesn't apply. In a perverse way, the buyout may actually work against Purdue in that it may prevent Petrino from jumping ship before Brohm has a chance to build an impressive resume in WL. If UofL were in the market for a new coach in the next year or two, they likely would search for someone with a higher profile than Brohm currently has.

"While it's not automatic Brohm will get poached, Purdue's AD would be wise to have a plan in place in case Louisville comes calling."

My "thesis" is that Purdue would be wise to have a plan for dealing with Louisville coming after their football coach. Brohm grew up in Louisville, was a high school legend in Louisville, and became a Cardinal football legend playing at Louisville. Purdue made a good hire and if he excels, they should expect they are going to have a very difficult time holding off Louisville and even bigger suitors in a few years. Is it automatic he will leave for Louisville? No, it is not, but any Purdue fan who does not recognize the likelyhood here is simply living in denial.

Lets see if he can win seven games in a season first..........

 

[TheBoris]

Amen!!!!!!! The Temple OLB was a walk-on and was drafted in the upper half of the first round of the draft.

Tough talk but you've seen how well our 2&3-stars play against Ohio State and Michigan.

 

[njm8845]

Amen!!!!!!! The Temple OLB was a walk-on and was drafted in the upper half of the first round of the draft.

The reason this was even notable is because it's so rare. Hardly an argument for the benefits of recruiting 2 star players.

 

[njm8845]

Yes...BUT they get the very best of those 4-5 Star guys. The ones that have been physically & mentally scrutinized the most.

"Yes...BUT that doesn't fit my narrative."

If you can't see that a four star guy has a higher probability of succeeding....

 

[BoilerBloodline]

"Yes...BUT that doesn't fit my narrative."

If you can't see that a four star guy has a higher probability of succeeding....

Interesting narrative. So...did you happen to watch any of the NFL draft? It's pretty amazing seeing players from Bucknell, Villanova etc. (didn't even know they had football team) get drafted over draftable players from the P5...many of which were certainly 4-5 star kids in HS. Point being...neither you or I have any idea what these Young's players will become. Which is exactly why it is important to remember the "Stars" are simply a measuring stick for where that player currently stands compared to their peers.
It isn't uncommon for the 2-3 Star kids to turn out as the best player on the team and get drafted. The proof is right there for you to see in the draft, year after year.

 

[StickPurdue]

Interesting narrative. So...did you happen to watch any of the NFL draft? It's pretty amazing seeing players from Bucknell, Villanova etc. (didn't even know they had football team) get drafted over draftable players from the P5...many of which were certainly 4-5 star kids in HS. Point being...neither you or I have any idea what these Young's players will become. Which is exactly why it is important to remember the "Stars" are simply a measuring stick for where that player currently stands compared to their peers.
It isn't uncommon for the 2-3 Star kids to turn out as the best player on the team and get drafted. The proof is right there for you to see in the draft, year after year.

I read that this year set the record for 5 star kids drafted in round one at 9. I know their are less five star kids, but their are a lot of 3-4* kids with first round talent. It is impossible to expect to win consinstantly in the Big Ten with nothing but 2-3* recruits. CJB is aggressively targeting 4* kids. He will likely start his success on offense, but if the defensive coach can give a good showing, top end defensive players will start to come. Purdue used to consitsnarly produce stud defensive lineman and offensive linemen. Let's hope CJB can live up to his words that it all starts up front. 5* kids tend to flock to big name coaches/schools. Purdue is nowhere close to that yet. New facilities, new AD, and new coach will improve those odds. For now, we will have to prove we can win with mostly 3* and the occasional 4* kids. Purdue can compete with 4* talent I am sure. Get a few classes in the top 25 and the recruiting will become easier. CJB already has pipelines and good connections. I think he can have his first top 25 class within 3 years. Especially if he finds a way to sniff .500 this year with the mess that he inherited.

 

[TheBoris]

Interesting narrative. So...did you happen to watch any of the NFL draft? It's pretty amazing seeing players from Bucknell, Villanova etc. (didn't even know they had football team) get drafted over draftable players from the P5...many of which were certainly 4-5 star kids in HS. Point being...neither you or I have any idea what these Young's players will become. Which is exactly why it is important to remember the "Stars" are simply a measuring stick for where that player currently stands compared to their peers.
It isn't uncommon for the 2-3 Star kids to turn out as the best player on the team and get drafted. The proof is right there for you to see in the draft, year after year.

We all understand this and we understood it before you provided your childish "explanation". Let's forget the stars and talk about the caliber of player recruited, OK?

Purdue has not been recruiting the caliber of player who has a high probability of success in the Big Ten. Top recruits are not choosing Purdue. We need to recruit better athletes if we are to build a successful football program.