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Grade: A

Butch Davis, Florida International: Though the amount of talent in South Florida should help any coach be competitive here, it’s still a tough job. And Davis, at 65, is knocking it out of the park with the Panthers at 5-2. His predecessor, Ron Turner, won just 10 games total in 3 1/2 seasons.

Lane Kiffin, Florida Atlantic: Freed from Nick Saban’s shackles, Kiffin has found time not only to up his Twitter trolling game but also turn around a program that finished 3-9 in each of the last three seasons. After a shaky start, FAU is 4-0 in C-USA and has averaged 52 points in the league, beating the league’s traditional powers in Middle Tennessee and Western Kentucky.

Grade: A-Lincoln Riley, Oklahoma: He has looked poised and totally prepared as Stoops’ successor, snagging a big early win at Ohio State. The only knock is a somewhat shaky defense, which was a problem before he became head coach.

Jeff Tedford, Fresno State: Though a home loss to UNLV last weekend knocked him down from an A, the 5-3 Bulldogs had allowed 34 points in their previous four Mountain West games combined. Last season, Fresno State went 1-11 and gave up more than 34 points six times. Five years removed from his Cal tenure, Tedford looks rejuvenated.

Grade: B+

P.J. Fleck, Minnesota: This is not a talented Gophers team, but at 4-4 they still have a chance for the postseason and were competitive in losses to Michigan State and Iowa. Fleck has dialed down his “Row the Boat” schtick a notch and been solid in resetting the culture at Minnesota.

Willie Taggart, Oregon: Though the Ducks are probably headed for 6-6, the product looks much better and more physical than it did last season, particularly on defense. Despite losing quarterback Justin Herbert to injury, they haven’t fallen off a cliff.
Jeff Brohm, Purdue: Though the shine has worn off a little bit with close losses in a row to Wisconsin, Rutgers and Nebraska to fall to 3-5, Brohm has made Purdue fun and somewhat relevant. There’s still plenty of work to be done, but Brohm has the Boilermakers on a trajectory to compete in the Big Ten West in the next few years.

Shawn Elliott, Georgia State: After an embarrassing debut loss to Tennessee State, the Panthers have pieced together a solid season at 4-3 and project to be a bowl team for the second time in history with winnable games down the stretch.

Grade: B

Justin Wilcox, California: Though the defense has slipped the last few weeks, the 37-3 upset of Washington State still resonates.

Matt Rhule, Baylor: Despite the 0-8 record, Baylor is still playing hard and has been competitive against good teams. It’s a massive rebuilding job.

Randy Edsall, Connecticut: Though the Huskies aren’t good at 3-5, they’re at least watchable and somewhat of a threat on offense, which wasn’t the case last season under Bob Diaco.

Grade: B-Tom Herman, Texas: It would be disingenuous to say anything other than the Longhorns have been underwhelming at 4-4, given the expectation that Herman’s offense would be the key to a talented roster competing in the Big 12. Instead, Todd Orlando’s defense has been far more impressive.

Ed Orgeron, LSU: Though you have to give him credit for stabilizing things midseason, the loss to Troy still resonates. The Tigers have a shot to go 9-3, which would be a moderately successful first season.

Charlie Strong, South Florida: Though they’re 7-1, the Bulls have far too often been sloppy and unimpressive and haven’t exactly overwhelmed a soft schedule. Their +14 turnover margin has kept them from a very disappointing season.

Mike Sanford, Western Kentucky: Brohm’s offense is gone, and the Hill-toppers have really struggled to light up the scoreboard under Sanford.

Tim Lester, Western Michigan: Fleck is a tough act to follow, but the 5-4 Broncos did pull out one of the season’s most exciting games, beating Buffalo 71-68 in seven overtimes.

Geoff Collins, Temple: There wasn’t a whole lot of offensive talent left over from the Rhule era, but the 3-5 Owls could be in much better shape, having lost three one-possession games in the AAC.

Major Applewhite, Houston: Beating South Florida on a late touchdown last weekend helped tremendously, but the Cougars have been pretty ordinary at 5-3. Unless they win out, Applewhite will have fallen short of expectations in Year 1.

Grade: C/C-Tom Allen, Indiana: The Hoosiers are 0-5 in the Big Ten and haven’t cashed in numerous opportunities to pull an upset.

Jay Norvell, Nevada: They’re scoring points, but 1-7 is still 1-7.

Luke Fickell, Cincinnati: There was a lot to clean up from Tommy Tuber-ville’s final years, but improvement hasn’t really been evident yet at 2-6.

Brent Brennan, San Jose State: The Spartans are probably the worst team in FBS at 1-8, having beaten only Cal Poly.
 
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Grade: A

Butch Davis, Florida International: Though the amount of talent in South Florida should help any coach be competitive here, it’s still a tough job. And Davis, at 65, is knocking it out of the park with the Panthers at 5-2. His predecessor, Ron Turner, won just 10 games total in 3 1/2 seasons.

Lane Kiffin, Florida Atlantic: Freed from Nick Saban’s shackles, Kiffin has found time not only to up his Twitter trolling game but also turn around a program that finished 3-9 in each of the last three seasons. After a shaky start, FAU is 4-0 in C-USA and has averaged 52 points in the league, beating the league’s traditional powers in Middle Tennessee and Western Kentucky.

Grade: A-Lincoln Riley, Oklahoma: He has looked poised and totally prepared as Stoops’ successor, snagging a big early win at Ohio State. The only knock is a somewhat shaky defense, which was a problem before he became head coach.

Jeff Tedford, Fresno State: Though a home loss to UNLV last weekend knocked him down from an A, the 5-3 Bulldogs had allowed 34 points in their previous four Mountain West games combined. Last season, Fresno State went 1-11 and gave up more than 34 points six times. Five years removed from his Cal tenure, Tedford looks rejuvenated.

Grade: B+

P.J. Fleck, Minnesota: This is not a talented Gophers team, but at 4-4 they still have a chance for the postseason and were competitive in losses to Michigan State and Iowa. Fleck has dialed down his “Row the Boat” schtick a notch and been solid in resetting the culture at Minnesota.

Willie Taggart, Oregon: Though the Ducks are probably headed for 6-6, the product looks much better and more physical than it did last season, particularly on defense. Despite losing quarterback Justin Herbert to injury, they haven’t fallen off a cliff.
Jeff Brohm, Purdue: Though the shine has worn off a little bit with close losses in a row to Wisconsin, Rutgers and Nebraska to fall to 3-5, Brohm has made Purdue fun and somewhat relevant. There’s still plenty of work to be done, but Brohm has the Boilermakers on a trajectory to compete in the Big Ten West in the next few years.

Shawn Elliott, Georgia State: After an embarrassing debut loss to Tennessee State, the Panthers have pieced together a solid season at 4-3 and project to be a bowl team for the second time in history with winnable games down the stretch.

Grade: B

Justin Wilcox, California: Though the defense has slipped the last few weeks, the 37-3 upset of Washington State still resonates.

Matt Rhule, Baylor: Despite the 0-8 record, Baylor is still playing hard and has been competitive against good teams. It’s a massive rebuilding job.

Randy Edsall, Connecticut: Though the Huskies aren’t good at 3-5, they’re at least watchable and somewhat of a threat on offense, which wasn’t the case last season under Bob Diaco.

Grade: B-Tom Herman, Texas: It would be disingenuous to say anything other than the Longhorns have been underwhelming at 4-4, given the expectation that Herman’s offense would be the key to a talented roster competing in the Big 12. Instead, Todd Orlando’s defense has been far more impressive.

Ed Orgeron, LSU: Though you have to give him credit for stabilizing things midseason, the loss to Troy still resonates. The Tigers have a shot to go 9-3, which would be a moderately successful first season.

Charlie Strong, South Florida: Though they’re 7-1, the Bulls have far too often been sloppy and unimpressive and haven’t exactly overwhelmed a soft schedule. Their +14 turnover margin has kept them from a very disappointing season.

Mike Sanford, Western Kentucky: Brohm’s offense is gone, and the Hill-toppers have really struggled to light up the scoreboard under Sanford.

Tim Lester, Western Michigan: Fleck is a tough act to follow, but the 5-4 Broncos did pull out one of the season’s most exciting games, beating Buffalo 71-68 in seven overtimes.

Geoff Collins, Temple: There wasn’t a whole lot of offensive talent left over from the Rhule era, but the 3-5 Owls could be in much better shape, having lost three one-possession games in the AAC.

Major Applewhite, Houston: Beating South Florida on a late touchdown last weekend helped tremendously, but the Cougars have been pretty ordinary at 5-3. Unless they win out, Applewhite will have fallen short of expectations in Year 1.

Grade: C/C-Tom Allen, Indiana: The Hoosiers are 0-5 in the Big Ten and haven’t cashed in numerous opportunities to pull an upset.

Jay Norvell, Nevada: They’re scoring points, but 1-7 is still 1-7.

Luke Fickell, Cincinnati: There was a lot to clean up from Tommy Tuber-ville’s final years, but improvement hasn’t really been evident yet at 2-6.

Brent Brennan, San Jose State: The Spartans are probably the worst team in FBS at 1-8, having beaten only Cal Poly.

Not a bad list. I just have 3 changes I would make.

Fleck at a B+ is a bit of a head scratcher for me. 4 wins and they are all against sub .500 teams. 1-4 in the Big Ten and the only win is against Illinois. They are fighting for a bowl exactly like Brohm and Minnesota was in a far better place than Purdue. Not to mention, Purdue beat them head to head. I would say he has been a C+ at best. Not impressive, but a decent incoming recruit class will go a long way. He may be able to get back on track but Minnesota has vastly underperformed.

Rhule gets a B? At 1-8 with the only win over Kansas. You think that was a bigger rebuild than what Purdue was saddled with? Rhule is probably more like a C and he only gets the C because even with everything they are facing and as awful as they have been, they still have a dang good recruiting class.

I think Fickel should be more like a B-. 3-6 and 3 of those losses were to ranked opponents. Cincinnati had a lot to overcome, but he has still pulled in a solid recruit class and the needle is pointing up. They have two bad teams left and a .500 team in temple ahead. They could end up 5-7 or 6-6. That isn't a bad start considering where Cincinnati was at 4-8 and the team was lacking talent.
 
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I think this roster has matured a bunch over the past couple of seasons, and I don't -believe you can make them the scapegoat. I've said for awhile that Brohm is still a question mark.

Twin,

It has matured, and there is some solid talent, but when 2012 is the last recruiting class that wasn't last or 2nd last in the conference, the cupboard (and depth chart) is essentially bare compared to the competition. Is there a lot of work to be done? yes......but given where things stood, for this team to be as competitive as it has been......you have to attribute a chunk of that to Coach Brohm and his staff. JMHO

The Rutgers and Nebraska games hurt big-time because it probably costs a shot at a bowl, which would have been another positive step toward the rebuild. Brohm's injury is unfortunate as well. Hope he makes a full recovery.

I like what I've seen so far.....better than I expected. Let's see how this team finishes.
 
I think this roster has matured a bunch over the past couple of seasons, and I don't -believe you can make them the scapegoat. I've said for awhile that Brohm is still a question mark.
Huh? This roster has no depth, no playmakers, and a couple of average quarterbacks. Have you watched the games?
 
I think this roster has matured a bunch over the past couple of seasons, and I don't -believe you can make them the scapegoat. I've said for awhile that Brohm is still a question mark.
We have very little depth at certain positions. The offensive line is limited as are the receivers. They have some running backs. The defensive line has no depth and that has made Brohm trying to protect them by more running plays to shorten the game. Anyway I guess we will have to disagree on this issue.

I don't know if Brohm is going to be the savior for Purdue football, but so far in my book he has been a miracle worker.
 
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Wtf has Fleck done to deserve an A- at this point? He’s a C at best so far.
Love this revisionist history that he had to rebuild Minnesota from the ashes. They won 9 games last season and have gone to five straight bowl games, and will probably miss out this season. Just yesterday, one of the BTN guys was predicting a breakout game against Michigan.. not so much. They might be the second worst team in the conference.
 
Agree that Fleck HAS NOT done a great job IMO. As far as I understand it, they only needed to replace their QB on O. Both RBs and a young group off WRs were back and they haven’t really done much with them.

Dunno what the situation on D was but Indint think their D has been that and this year.

I also don’t know how to feel about Allen as a C/C- they continue to play well on D but I said it even before they fired Wilson...when he goes, so will their identity and that offense will slowly slip from great to good to the IU we were used to for so many years. He continues to recruit at the level Wilson did which worries me a bit...but slowly I think we will turn the tide here.
 
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Grade: A

Butch Davis, Florida International: Though the amount of talent in South Florida should help any coach be competitive here, it’s still a tough job. And Davis, at 65, is knocking it out of the park with the Panthers at 5-2. His predecessor, Ron Turner, won just 10 games total in 3 1/2 seasons.

Lane Kiffin, Florida Atlantic: Freed from Nick Saban’s shackles, Kiffin has found time not only to up his Twitter trolling game but also turn around a program that finished 3-9 in each of the last three seasons. After a shaky start, FAU is 4-0 in C-USA and has averaged 52 points in the league, beating the league’s traditional powers in Middle Tennessee and Western Kentucky.

Grade: A-Lincoln Riley, Oklahoma: He has looked poised and totally prepared as Stoops’ successor, snagging a big early win at Ohio State. The only knock is a somewhat shaky defense, which was a problem before he became head coach.

Jeff Tedford, Fresno State: Though a home loss to UNLV last weekend knocked him down from an A, the 5-3 Bulldogs had allowed 34 points in their previous four Mountain West games combined. Last season, Fresno State went 1-11 and gave up more than 34 points six times. Five years removed from his Cal tenure, Tedford looks rejuvenated.

Grade: B+

P.J. Fleck, Minnesota: This is not a talented Gophers team, but at 4-4 they still have a chance for the postseason and were competitive in losses to Michigan State and Iowa. Fleck has dialed down his “Row the Boat” schtick a notch and been solid in resetting the culture at Minnesota.

Willie Taggart, Oregon: Though the Ducks are probably headed for 6-6, the product looks much better and more physical than it did last season, particularly on defense. Despite losing quarterback Justin Herbert to injury, they haven’t fallen off a cliff.
Jeff Brohm, Purdue: Though the shine has worn off a little bit with close losses in a row to Wisconsin, Rutgers and Nebraska to fall to 3-5, Brohm has made Purdue fun and somewhat relevant. There’s still plenty of work to be done, but Brohm has the Boilermakers on a trajectory to compete in the Big Ten West in the next few years.

Shawn Elliott, Georgia State: After an embarrassing debut loss to Tennessee State, the Panthers have pieced together a solid season at 4-3 and project to be a bowl team for the second time in history with winnable games down the stretch.

Grade: B

Justin Wilcox, California: Though the defense has slipped the last few weeks, the 37-3 upset of Washington State still resonates.

Matt Rhule, Baylor: Despite the 0-8 record, Baylor is still playing hard and has been competitive against good teams. It’s a massive rebuilding job.

Randy Edsall, Connecticut: Though the Huskies aren’t good at 3-5, they’re at least watchable and somewhat of a threat on offense, which wasn’t the case last season under Bob Diaco.

Grade: B-Tom Herman, Texas: It would be disingenuous to say anything other than the Longhorns have been underwhelming at 4-4, given the expectation that Herman’s offense would be the key to a talented roster competing in the Big 12. Instead, Todd Orlando’s defense has been far more impressive.

Ed Orgeron, LSU: Though you have to give him credit for stabilizing things midseason, the loss to Troy still resonates. The Tigers have a shot to go 9-3, which would be a moderately successful first season.

Charlie Strong, South Florida: Though they’re 7-1, the Bulls have far too often been sloppy and unimpressive and haven’t exactly overwhelmed a soft schedule. Their +14 turnover margin has kept them from a very disappointing season.

Mike Sanford, Western Kentucky: Brohm’s offense is gone, and the Hill-toppers have really struggled to light up the scoreboard under Sanford.

Tim Lester, Western Michigan: Fleck is a tough act to follow, but the 5-4 Broncos did pull out one of the season’s most exciting games, beating Buffalo 71-68 in seven overtimes.

Geoff Collins, Temple: There wasn’t a whole lot of offensive talent left over from the Rhule era, but the 3-5 Owls could be in much better shape, having lost three one-possession games in the AAC.

Major Applewhite, Houston: Beating South Florida on a late touchdown last weekend helped tremendously, but the Cougars have been pretty ordinary at 5-3. Unless they win out, Applewhite will have fallen short of expectations in Year 1.

Grade: C/C-Tom Allen, Indiana: The Hoosiers are 0-5 in the Big Ten and haven’t cashed in numerous opportunities to pull an upset.

Jay Norvell, Nevada: They’re scoring points, but 1-7 is still 1-7.

Luke Fickell, Cincinnati: There was a lot to clean up from Tommy Tuber-ville’s final years, but improvement hasn’t really been evident yet at 2-6.

Brent Brennan, San Jose State: The Spartans are probably the worst team in FBS at 1-8, having beaten only Cal Poly.
Interesting list. However, Lane Kiffin, Florida Atlantic: getting an A? As far as I'm concerned Kiffin is a blow hard and a losewr. Maybe at some D2 school he can show off.
 
Agree that Fleck HAS NOT done a great job IMO. As far as I understand it, they only needed to replace their QB on O. Both RBs and a young group off WRs were back and they haven’t really done much with them.

Dunno what the situation on D was but Indint think their D has been that and this year.

I also don’t know how to feel about Allen as a C/C- they continue to play well on D but I said it even before they fired Wilson...when he goes, so will their identity and that offense will slowly slip from great to good to the IU we were used to for so many years. He continues to recruit at the level Wilson did which worries me a bit...but slowly I think we will turn the tide here.
Speaking of Wilson,he was standing at the bus stop in Iowa City to get a ride back to the SHOE!!!!!
 
Agree that Fleck HAS NOT done a great job IMO. As far as I understand it, they only needed to replace their QB on O. Both RBs and a young group off WRs were back and they haven’t really done much with them.

Dunno what the situation on D was but Indint think their D has been that and this year.

I also don’t know how to feel about Allen as a C/C- they continue to play well on D but I said it even before they fired Wilson...when he goes, so will their identity and that offense will slowly slip from great to good to the IU we were used to for so many years. He continues to recruit at the level Wilson did which worries me a bit...but slowly I think we will turn the tide here.
Allen inherited a very experienced defense as well as an offense that returned a number of playmakers. They've take a step backward this year, and I can't help but think that they will do the same with all that they will lose after this season.
 
Just went back and looked at preseason predictions from CBS, Athlon, Sporting News. All had Minnesota between 3rd and 5th in the West. Purdue was no higher than 6th. I am confident we got the better coach.
 
Wtf has Fleck done to deserve an A- at this point? He’s a C at best so far.
Love this revisionist history that he had to rebuild Minnesota from the ashes. They won 9 games last season and have gone to five straight bowl games, and will probably miss out this season. Just yesterday, one of the BTN guys was predicting a breakout game against Michigan.. not so much. They might be the second worst team in the conference.
Illinois and IU are the worst in the conference. Minny makes a bowl if I have to wager.
 
Agree that Fleck HAS NOT done a great job IMO. As far as I understand it, they only needed to replace their QB on O. Both RBs and a young group off WRs were back and they haven’t really done much with them.

Dunno what the situation on D was but Indint think their D has been that and this year.

I also don’t know how to feel about Allen as a C/C- they continue to play well on D but I said it even before they fired Wilson...when he goes, so will their identity and that offense will slowly slip from great to good to the IU we were used to for so many years. He continues to recruit at the level Wilson did which worries me a bit...but slowly I think we will turn the tide here.
Love your optimism, but in reality Allen is a far better whiner than he is a coach. Fred really could have hired a much better option, but that's Fred. My guess, IU may win one more game this year....and I agree about Wilson's loss. I would give Allen a D.
 
Love your optimism, but in reality Allen is a far better whiner than he is a coach. Fred really could have hired a much better option, but that's Fred. My guess, IU may win one more game this year....and I agree about Wilson's loss. I would give Allen a D.
I wouldn't at all be surprised to see IU still become bowl eligible. We will be their toughest game and, without our injury situation improving, I don't know that we can beat them.
 
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I wouldn't at all be surprised to see IU still become bowl eligible. We will be their toughest game and, without our injury situation improving, I don't know that we can beat them.
IU beats themselves PT. Hate him or love him, Wilson had the secret for IU. Love him or hate him, Allen is Tom Crean in cleats. IU doesn't make a bowl unless five wins get them in one.
 
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Stupid and pointless, as are most polls and rankings. Clickbait and nothing more. You can't evaluate untill at least after the third season, and even then adjustments to each unique situation need to be made.
 
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