Raiders to Las Vegas, Colts to ???

[TheBoris]

Good article by Gregg Doyel in today's IndyStar about the Raiders going to Vegas and how the Colts could be next.

Even though Lucas is a relatively new stadium, Indianapolis is highly vulnerable to losing the Colts to a bigger, better venue. Indy is one of the smallest and least lucrative NFL towns and the Colts pay a measly $250,000/yr rent. They could easily move elsewhere and continue paying the rent at Lucas for another ten years to fulfill their lease.

Fred Glass chaired Indy's Capital Improvement Board at the time this Lucas stadium was unloaded upon the taxpayers. Gotta wonder if he'll own up to it if the Luke becomes the Mother Of All White Elephants.

 

[nat100]

What large markets are left?

 

[tigerchump]

Good article by Gregg Doyel in today's IndyStar about the Raiders going to Vegas and how the Colts could be next.

Even though Lucas is a relatively new stadium, Indianapolis is highly vulnerable to losing the Colts to a bigger, better venue. Indy is one of the smallest and least lucrative NFL towns and the Colts pay a measly $250,000/yr rent. They could easily move elsewhere and continue paying the rent at Lucas for another ten years to fulfill their lease.

Fred Glass chaired Indy's Capital Improvement Board at the time this Lucas stadium was unloaded upon the taxpayers. Gotta wonder if he'll own up to it if the Luke becomes the Mother Of All White Elephants.

I just wonder where the Colts could possibly move to.Most big cities already have a Major League franchise or two,and while places like Portland,Oregon,Salt Lake City,Utah,and San Antonio may be a landing spot for the Colts,I wont believe it until I see it.This makes me recall the rumor going around several years ago about the Pacers going to Cincinnati Why in the world would they go there?The Queen City lost the Royals to Milwaukee years ago,its population is smaller than Indy,.and they already have Bearcat Basketball and Xavier.

 

[TheBoris]

What large markets are left?

Metro areas bigger than Indy include San Antonio, Austin (check a map, those two are pretty close together), San Diego, Riverside-San Bernadino-Ontario aka Orange County, Oakland, Orlando, Portland, Sacramento and Columbus. Also note the top ten cities on this list could easily accommodate a second franchise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

 

[TheBoris]

Metro areas bigger than Indy include San Antonio, Austin (check a map, those two are pretty close together), San Diego, Riverside-San Bernadino-Ontario aka Orange County, Oakland, Orlando, Portland, Sacramento and Columbus. Also note the top ten cities on this list could easily accommodate a second franchise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

I'll throw in another one. Toronto metro area is 6.4 million and would be #6 on the list linked above. They've been trying to get an NFL franchise for years and would open up a HUGE new market for the NFL.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Good article by Gregg Doyel in today's IndyStar about the Raiders going to Vegas and how the Colts could be next.

Even though Lucas is a relatively new stadium, Indianapolis is highly vulnerable to losing the Colts to a bigger, better venue. Indy is one of the smallest and least lucrative NFL towns and the Colts pay a measly $250,000/yr rent. They could easily move elsewhere and continue paying the rent at Lucas for another ten years to fulfill their lease.

Fred Glass chaired Indy's Capital Improvement Board at the time this Lucas stadium was unloaded upon the taxpayers. Gotta wonder if he'll own up to it if the Luke becomes the Mother Of All White Elephants.

Actually, Lucas is a great venue for a multitude of events throughout the year. If the Colts did leave, you are losing...what...8 regular season games and 2 pre-season games? Add in the Monster Jam, AMA Supercross, a FF every 6-8 years (men's or women's), it wouldn't be as big of a loss. Also, I honestly think Indy could do with an MLS franchise and Lucas...although massive...would be a big draw for that.

If they did two stops for the Monster Jam, I would honestly go to both every year. Took my 4 year old for his birthday this year and it was awesome. They have their show run right with little down time once the show starts. I think maybe 20-25 minutes to change the course from racing to freestyle...but that was it for 2 hours and 15 minutes.

I am sure the city would find great uses for Lucas Oil if it needed to...or sell it to one of those big evangelical church leaders and hold congregation every Sunday for 50k!

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

double post

 

[TheBoris]

Actually, Lucas is a great venue for a multitude of events throughout the year. If the Colts did leave, you are losing...what...8 regular season games and 2 pre-season games? Add in the Monster Jam, AMA Supercross, a FF every 6-8 years (men's or women's), it wouldn't be as big of a loss. Also, I honestly think Indy could do with an MLS franchise and Lucas...although massive...would be a big draw for that.

If they did two stops for the Monster Jam, I would honestly go to both every year. Took my 4 year old for his birthday this year and it was awesome. They have their show run right with little down time once the show starts. I think maybe 20-25 minutes to change the course from racing to freestyle...but that was it for 2 hours and 15 minutes.

I am sure the city would find great uses for Lucas Oil if it needed to...or sell it to one of those big evangelical church leaders and hold congregation every Sunday for 50k!

Oh, I think it's a dandy stadium. That's not the problem. This is the problem...

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...escape-risky-lucas-oil-stadium-debt/27802331/

 

[Indy_Rider]

Doubt the Colts will go anywhere because Irsay is very sensitive to his dad moving them and the reaction to that. He doesn't want to be his father and be remembered for that kind of stuff. He said he had a hard time letting Manning go because he remembers his dad trading Johny Unitas. That's why he released Manning and didn't try to trade him, so Manning could pick the best spot for him.

 

[nat100]

Metro areas bigger than Indy include San Antonio, Austin (check a map, those two are pretty close together), San Diego, Riverside-San Bernadino-Ontario aka Orange County, Oakland, Orlando, Portland, Sacramento and Columbus. Also note the top ten cities on this list could easily accommodate a second franchise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

San Diego just lost the Chargers because of funding. Same with Oakland. Columbus wont bring in a pro team.

 

[nat100]

I'll throw in another one. Toronto metro area is 6.4 million and would be #6 on the list linked above. They've been trying to get an NFL franchise for years and would open up a HUGE new market for the NFL.

Thats the best one i can see. Are the Bills still playing games up there?

 

[TheBoris]

Doubt the Colts will go anywhere because Irsay is very sensitive to his dad moving them and the reaction to that. He doesn't want to be his father and be remembered for that kind of stuff. He said he had a hard time letting Manning go because he remembers his dad trading Johny Unitas. That's why he released Manning and didn't try to trade him, so Manning could pick the best spot for him.

Well, you need to read Gregg Doyal's column. And yes, Irsay was one of the 31 NFL owners who voted to approve the Raiders' move to Las Vegas.

 

[TheBoris]

San Diego just lost the Chargers because of funding. Same with Oakland. Columbus wont bring in a pro team.

Look at some recent NFL moves: Baltimore Colts to Indy. Houston Oilers to Nashville. Oakland Raiders to Vegas. All moved from a bigger metro area to a smaller one. This thing is driven by dollars, not populations.

 

[SunnyFL24]

Colts aren't going anywhere period! Orlando?....LOL!!! Jacksonville up the road cant fill it's stadium as it is.........Indy is a great sports town!

 

[TheBoris]

Colts aren't going anywhere period! Orlando?....LOL!!! Jacksonville up the road cant fill it's stadium as it is.........Indy is a great sports town!

Did you read Gregg Doyel's column?

 

[HUNTER46120]

Good article by Gregg Doyel in today's IndyStar about the Raiders going to Vegas and how the Colts could be next.

Even though Lucas is a relatively new stadium, Indianapolis is highly vulnerable to losing the Colts to a bigger, better venue. Indy is one of the smallest and least lucrative NFL towns and the Colts pay a measly $250,000/yr rent. They could easily move elsewhere and continue paying the rent at Lucas for another ten years to fulfill their lease.

Fred Glass chaired Indy's Capital Improvement Board at the time this Lucas stadium was unloaded upon the taxpayers. Gotta wonder if he'll own up to it if the Luke becomes the Mother Of All White Elephants.

Could happen. i thought this article was interesting.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/san-diego-chargers-los-angeles-move-relocation-011217

 

[tigerchump]

I guess anything is possible .I just cant see the powers that be in Columbus ever allowing an NFL franchise coming in to that city.If the Colts were to move,it would be the franchises fourth city,as they began in Dallas as the original Dallas Texans,with the coach being former Purdue coach Jim Phelan.

 

[tigerchump]

Metro areas bigger than Indy include San Antonio, Austin (check a map, those two are pretty close together), San Diego, Riverside-San Bernadino-Ontario aka Orange County, Oakland, Orlando, Portland, Sacramento and Columbus. Also note the top ten cities on this list could easily accommodate a second franchise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

That is an interesting list,but it seems like a stretch to call Anderson part of the Indy Metro Area.It seems to also include Muncie.

 

[tigerchump]

Did you read Gregg Doyel's column?

I read it,and Doyel is like every other sportswriter ,in that He is right sometimes,but not all of the time.And doesnt the lease for the Colts in Lucas Oil run for twenty more years?

 

[TheBoris]

I read it,and Doyel is like every other sportswriter ,in that He is right sometimes,but not all of the time.And doesnt the lease for the Colts in Lucas Oil run for twenty more years?

Please understand: The Colts lease at Lucas is for $250,000/year. If they paid that for the next 20 years, that's $5 million total. They could easily pay the rent at Lucas and play somewhere else.

Did you read the link that Hunter posted above? These teams jumping from one stadium to another are cashing in for a BILLION dollars, or more. $5 million is half of one percent of a billion dollars.

In all candor I didn't know it what quite that bad until I read Hunter's link, but I knew that comments like "Colts aren't going anywhere" or "Irsay wouldn't do that" are uninformed to the point of being naive. Do you think Irsay wouldn't double the value of his team by moving to London, or Mexico City?

 

[tigerchump]

You may be right,but it just shows that fan loyalty doesnt mean anything,does it?Maybe this is why some people prefer College sports.

 

[IndySouthsider]

So what we have done here is make up some doomsday scenario based on ZERO evidence that Indy is wanting to move.

It's not as if Oaklands move was a suspense. They have been working at it for years!

My money's on Jaguars. They literally have 100's of fans here!

 

[nips18]

Metro areas bigger than Indy include San Antonio, Austin (check a map, those two are pretty close together), San Diego, Riverside-San Bernadino-Ontario aka Orange County, Oakland, Orlando, Portland, Sacramento and Columbus. Also note the top ten cities on this list could easily accommodate a second franchise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

Small correction.

Riverside-SB-Ontario is not Orange County. LA area already has two teams.

 

[TheBoris]

So what we have done here is make up some doomsday scenario based on ZERO evidence that Indy is wanting to move.

It's not as if Oaklands move was a suspense. They have been working at it for years!

My money's on Jaguars. They literally have 100's of fans here!

Did you read Gregg Doyel's column? Did you read Hunter's link?

No one said that the Colts, nor any other team, are "wanting to move". These teams are moving because some city finances a scenario wherein the team owner is handed $1 billion profit, or more, to move into a brand new stadium.

Instead of asking who is "wanting to move" the better question is "what team owner is going to say "no" to $1 billion?"

 

[RBB89]

Good article by Gregg Doyel in today's IndyStar about the Raiders going to Vegas and how the Colts could be next.

Even though Lucas is a relatively new stadium, Indianapolis is highly vulnerable to losing the Colts to a bigger, better venue. Indy is one of the smallest and least lucrative NFL towns and the Colts pay a measly $250,000/yr rent. They could easily move elsewhere and continue paying the rent at Lucas for another ten years to fulfill their lease.

Fred Glass chaired Indy's Capital Improvement Board at the time this Lucas stadium was unloaded upon the taxpayers. Gotta wonder if he'll own up to it if the Luke becomes the Mother Of All White Elephants.

So you do the same crap over here that you did on the IU board (before you got banned for telling someone to "go breed some more r-words")? Lots of links and bizarre theories.

Nonsense. The Colts aren't going anywhere. If this was 2003, sure.

 

[IndySouthsider]

Did you read Gregg Doyel's column? Did you read Hunter's link?

No one said that the Colts, nor any other team, are "wanting to move". These teams are moving because some city finances a scenario wherein the team owner is handed $1 billion profit, or more, to move into a brand new stadium.

Instead of asking who is "wanting to move" the better question is "what team owner is going to say "no" to $1 billion?"

You do realize that Gregg Doyel has no inside info correct? So why should I read his column?

 

[TheBoris]

You do realize that Gregg Doyel has no inside info correct? So why should I read his column?

So the IndyStar lead sports reporter who interviewed the Irsay creature after his arrests for DUI and drugs has no insider info. OK.

And you didn't read his column about NFL franchises moving to instantly double their net worth. OK.

Appears you didn't read Hunter's link either, which also talks about NFL franchises moving to instantly double their net worth. OK.

Southsider, there is no reason for you to read Doyel's nor Hunter's columns. You have all you need to know in your own little world, safe and secure within your head.

 

[IndySouthsider]

So the IndyStar lead sports reporter who interviewed the Irsay creature after his arrests for DUI and drugs has no insider info. OK.

And you didn't read his column about NFL franchises moving to instantly double their net worth. OK.

Appears you didn't read Hunter's link either, which also talks about NFL franchises moving to instantly double their net worth. OK.

Southsider, there is no reason for you to read Doyel's nor Hunter's columns. You have all you need to know in your own little world, safe and secure within your head.

While I don't work for the Colts directly, I can promise you I am very professionally connected to their organization. I am 100% more knowledgeable than Gregg Doyel in this instance.

 

[TheBoris]

While I don't work for the Colts directly, I can promise you I am very professionally connected to their organization. I am 100% more knowledgeable than Gregg Doyel in this instance.

And I flat guarantee that you do not know what drunken druggie Jim Irsay would do if he was guaranteed $1 billion to move the Colts to London.

 

[IndySouthsider]

And I flat guarantee that you do not know what drunken druggie Jim Irsay would do if he was guaranteed $1 billion to move the Colts to London.

1st sentence completely invalidates anything else you say.

London isn't paying a billion dollars. Stupid premise.

 

[TC4THREE]

I'm going to preface this by saying I didn't read any of the linked material and don't intend to. That said, I recall talk of some penalties to be imposed if the Colts leave Indy. I don't think it is as simple as just saying all they would pay is the remaining lease amount.

All in all I think we're really reaching to find something to worry about here. Could they leave in some scenario in the future? Sure. Is it likely? No.

 

[TheBoris]

I'm going to preface this by saying I didn't read any of the linked material and don't intend to. That said, I recall talk of some penalties to be imposed if the Colts leave Indy.

Really? Show me where it says that.

http://www.capitalimprovementboard....013/07/Indianapolis-Colts-Lease-Agreement.pdf

 

[TC4THREE]

Really? Show me where it says that.

http://www.capitalimprovementboard....013/07/Indianapolis-Colts-Lease-Agreement.pdf

Not going to read it. You seem to enjoy this wild goose chase and it could be in another agreement entirely or I could not be remembering correctly. There's absolutely no reason for me to pour a bunch of research into this far-fetched hypothetical. If you want to believe the Colts are heading somewhere else then you believe it. I'm good with that.

 

[IndySouthsider]

Really? Show me where it says that.

http://www.capitalimprovementboard....013/07/Indianapolis-Colts-Lease-Agreement.pdf

It also states they will play their games for 30 years. Breach of contract would allow the city of Indianapolis to sue The Colts for lost revenue from those 8 to 10 games.

 

[ITSC-Ret]

Honestly I think the next team to move will be the Chargers. Didn't really work out when LA had two teams the first time and not sure Charger fans are as dedicated to their team follow them as Raiders fans were. The LA move was just a stop gap for moving the Chargers somewhere else...

 

[TheBoris]

It also states they will play their games for 30 years. Breach of contract would allow the city of Indianapolis to sue The Colts for lost revenue from those 8 to 10 games.

It doesn't work that way. The contract is a lease between the City (CIB) and the Colts. You can sue someone for failure to provide the revenue promised in the contract, but that's it.

 

[TheBoris]

Honestly I think the next team to move will be the Chargers. Didn't really work out when LA had two teams the first time and not sure Charger fans are as dedicated to their team follow them as Raiders fans were. The LA move was just a stop gap for moving the Chargers somewhere else...

I don't know who's next to go but here are seven cities shopping for NFL teams....

http://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2017/03/27/7-cities-that-could-be-next-to-land-an-nfl-team/

 

[TC4THREE]

I don't know who's next to go but here are seven cities shopping for NFL teams....

http://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2017/03/27/7-cities-that-could-be-next-to-land-an-nfl-team/

I'll bet you that the Colts are still in Indy in 2025.

 

[TheBoris]

I'll bet you that the Colts are still in Indy in 2025.

I'll bet we see more NFL teams moving between now and 2025. We've seen three teams move in three years and as the cycle continues, one day Indy will be near the bottom of the totem pole again.

 

[IndySouthsider]

If the Colts move it will be 2034. Jim won't be making that deal. Casey holds the key to the future.