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Question: do lesser receivers create better quarterbacks?

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Basically, if he has to put it on the dime every time, does that make him a better QB than one who throws to guys who always pick it up (with one-handed circus catches, if need be)? Does it force him to be more accurate and better with his timing?
 
But if he's already able to be that accurate, does it matter? I get what you're asking, but I don't think a QB becomes more accurate in the moment simply because he has less capable receivers. If you can thread the needle, you'll do it, regardless of the competency of the guys at the other end of the throw. I don't think any QB says "I could have dropped that one right in his arms, but I wanted to give him the chance to make a great catch."

And, sometimes a circus catch is the result of a QB putting the ball on a dime because that's the only way the pass could be completed. It's only a great catch because any other throw wouldn't have been completed.
 
Basically, if he has to put it on the dime every time, does that make him a better QB than one who throws to guys who always pick it up (with one-handed circus catches, if need be)? Does it force him to be more accurate and better with his timing?

I think a QB who tears it up with Isaac Zico, Jared Sparks and Terry Wright on the outside CAN BE doing much better than a QB who passed for the same numbers with a bunch of blue chippers.

Sometimes that big program QB is also very legit. Most of the time you’re looking at a Steve bellasari, who, if switched with Drew Brees in 2000, would have lost by about 30.

Ken Dorsey would not be doing what David Blough is on this team...
 
Most of the time you’re looking at a Steve bellasari, who, if switched with Drew Brees in 2000, would have lost by about 30.

Ken Dorsey would not be doing what David Blough is on this team...

Ken Dorsey? The guy was a 7th round draft pick and a total NFL bust. Every NFL scout knew he had no arm strength. I have yet to see similar criticism of Haskins. Not sure of point you are making?
 
Ken Dorsey? The guy was a 7th round draft pick and a total NFL bust. Every NFL scout knew he had no arm strength. I have yet to see similar criticism of Haskins. Not sure of point you are making?

I didn’t know we were talking specifically about Haskins. What I can tell you is that at Miami, Dorsey looked amazing. Is Haskins Dorsey Or is he Tom Brady.. too soon to tell.
 
Maybe a bit. IMO pass protection is a bigger factor. Partly why Purdue has produced some great NFL QB's - they typically have to be able to process information very quickly. Unfortunately there are diminishing returns. If the pass pro is too bad then you get Etlinged.
 
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I believe an offensive line has more of an effect on a QB than his receivers. Look at USC. Their QBs always looked great when given 7-10 seconds to throw.

Another example is Bret Favre. Was he great because of his receivers? Or were they great because of him? Was he better as a Vikings QB? The Packers receivers seemed just as great after he left even winning a Super Bowl without him. Then again, how is Jordy Nelso doing without Rogers throwing to him?
 
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Basically, if he has to put it on the dime every time, does that make him a better QB than one who throws to guys who always pick it up (with one-handed circus catches, if need be)? Does it force him to be more accurate and better with his timing?

There's even more advantages of being able to be ultra accurate with great receivers (not necessarily the best athletes). Being able to lead them to extra yardage. Using a right shoulder throw to tell him turn right and go. Down to protect. I hope any qb is shown a lot of brees and Brady tape for the importance of accuracy
 
Basically, if he has to put it on the dime every time, does that make him a better QB than one who throws to guys who always pick it up (with one-handed circus catches, if need be)? Does it force him to be more accurate and better with his timing?
No. Lesser receivers have more trouble getting open and drop more passes.
 
No. Lesser receivers have more trouble getting open and drop more passes.

I would agree. We've had some very accurate QBs in the past 5 years who put the ball on the money and make tremendous throws only to see our receivers drop it.
 
I recall where it was said the QB threw the ball too hard, and it wasn't a catchable pass. and then the QB took power of his passes, and the receivers still dropped them. I recall our QBs making all type of adjustments, and our receivers still made them look bad.

Yes, there has to be a chemistry. But great QBs lead to great receivers. Bad receivers may make QBs look bad on paper.. But if you're watching the play, you know where the fault lies.
 
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