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Purdue vs. Marquette overview

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When: Tuesday, November 14th

Where: Bradley Center, Milwaukee WI

Tip-Off: 8:30 ET (approx.)

TV: FS1


Head Coaches:

Purdue: Matt Painter (13th season)

Marquette: Steve Wojciechowski (4th season)



Projected Starters:

Purdue

1/2 #3 Carsen Edwards 6'0 190 So.: averaging 20.5 PPG, 3.5 RPG, 2.5 APG, 63% FG's (15-24), 63% FT's (5-8), 55% 3PT's (6-11), and 21 MPG in 2 GP this season

1/2 #11 P.J. Thompson 5'10 180 Sr.: averaging 11 PPG, 1.5 RPG, 2 SPG, 2.5 APG, 54% FG's (7-13), 100% FT's (2-2), 50% 3PT's (6-12), and 23 MPG in 2 GP this season

2 #31 Dakota Mathias 6'4 195 Sr.: averaging 18 PPG, 3.5 RPG, 1.5 SPG, 4.5 APG, 69% FG's (11-16), 100% FT's (8-8), 86% 3PT's (6-7), and 23 MPG in 2 GP this season

3/4 #12 Vince Edwards 6'8 215 Sr.: averaging 14.5 PPG, 8.5 RPG, 2 BPG, 1 SPG, 2.5 APG, 2.5 TPG, 44% FG's (10-23), 100% FT's (8-8), 17% 3PT's (1-6), and 24 MPG in 2 GP this season

5 #44 Isaac Haas 7'2 280 Sr.: averaging 12 PPG, 6.5 RPG, 2 BPG, 2.5 FPG, 78% FG's (7-9), 71% FT's (10-14), no 3PT's attempted, and 19 MPG in 2 GP this season


Marquette

1/2 #30 Andrew Rowsey 5'11 180 RS Sr.: averaging 23 PPG, 3 RPG, 3 SPG, 5 APG, 2 TPG, 44% FG's (7-16), 86% FT's (6-7), 38% 3PT's (3-8), and 26 MPG in 1 GP this season

1/2 #25 Haanif Cheatham 6'5 195 Jr.: averaging 13 PPG, 5 RPG, 3 TPG, 75% FG's (6-8), no FT's attempted, 50% 3PT's (1-2), and 22 MPG in 1 GP this season

3 #2 Sacar Anim 6'5 210 RS So.: averaging 7 PPG, 2 RPG, 1 SPG, 5 APG, 50% FG's (2-4), 75% FT's (3-4), 0% 3PT's (0-1), and 33 MPG in 1 GP this season

3/4 #10 Sam Hauser 6'7 220 So.: averaging 4 PPG, 6 RPG, 1 SPG, 3 APG, 33% FG's (2-6), no FT's attempted, 0% 3PT's (0-3), and 23 MPG in 1 GP this season

5 #12 Matt Heldt 6'10 245 Jr.: averaging 13 PPG, 5 RPG, 1 BPG, 1 SPG, 83% FG's (5-6), 100% FT's (3-3), no 3PT's attempted, and 27 MPG in 1 GP this season


Projected Reinforcements:

Purdue

1 #20 Nojel Eastern 6'6 210 Fr.: averaging 6 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 4.5 APG, 4 TPG, 3.5 FPG, 71% FG's (5-7), 100% FT's (2-2), 0% 3PT's (0-1), and 19 MPG in 2 GP this season

2 #14 Ryan Cline 6'5 190 Jr.: averaging 2.5 PPG, 2.5 RPG, 3 APG, 25% FG's (2-8), no FT's attempted, 17% 3PT's (1-6), and 18.5 MPG in 2 GP this season

4 #24 Grady Eifert 6'7 220 Jr.: averaging 8.5 PPG, 3.5 RPG, 80% FG's (8-10), 50% FT's (1-2), 0% 3PT's (0-1), and 14.5 MPG in 2 GP this season

5/4 #32 Matt Haarms 7'3 235 RS Fr.: averaging 10 PPG, 6 RPG, 3 BPG, 1 SPG, 2.5 FPG, 70% FG's (7-10), 60% FT's (6-10), 0% 3PT's (0-1), and 18.5 MPG in 2 GP this season

5 #23 Jacquil Taylor 6'10 240 RS Jr.: averaging 2 PPG, 3 RPG, 1 BPG, 67% FG's (2-3), 0% FT's (0-2), no 3PT's attempted, and 9.5 MPG in 2 GP this season


Marquette

1/2 #0 Markus Howard 5'10 170 So.: averaging 11 PPG, 3 RPG, 1 BPG, 2 SPG, 38% FG's (3-8), 100% FT's (3-3), 40% 3PT's (2-5), and 25 MPG in 1 GP this season

2/1 #5 Greg Elliott 6'3 170 Fr.: averaging 2 PPG, 2 RPG, 2 SPG, 50% FG's (1-2), no FT's attempted, 0% 3PT's (0-1), and 18 MPG in 1 GP this season

4 #23 Jamal Cain 6'7 190 Fr.: averaging 3 PPG, 1 RPG, 33% FG's (1-3), 50% FT's (1-2), 0% 3PT's (0-1), and 12 MPG in 1 GP this season

5/4 #4 Theo John 6'8 240 Fr.: averaging 4 PPG, 6 RPG, 3 TPG, 5 FPG, 50% FG's (2-4), 0% FT's (0-2), no 3PT's attempted, and 13 MPG in 1 GP this season
 
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I see a big problem. Haas could realistically shoot 70% this year. I don't know if that's ever happened. Problem is the guards especially you know who are too cocky and playing keep away from him. 3 field goal attempts today. I don't know if he had double digit shots in any WUG game. Our 1 loss is bc he didn't get enough shots. I haven't seen anybody on Marquette last couple years who could handle Haas. If we get into a 3 point contest on their home court it'll be close. If we use Haas it's a blowout.
 
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I see a big problem. Haas could realistically shoot 70% this year. I don't know if that's ever happened. Problem is the guards especially you know who are too cocky and playing keep away from him. 3 field goal attempts today. I don't know if he had double digit shots in any WUG game. Our 1 loss is bc he didn't get enough shots. I haven't seen anybody on Marquette last couple years who could handle Haas. If we get into a 3 point contest on their home court it'll be close. If we use Haas it's a blowout.
"Fake Problem"
 
I see a big problem. Haas could realistically shoot 70% this year. I don't know if that's ever happened. Problem is the guards especially you know who are too cocky and playing keep away from him. 3 field goal attempts today. I don't know if he had double digit shots in any WUG game. Our 1 loss is bc he didn't get enough shots. I haven't seen anybody on Marquette last couple years who could handle Haas. If we get into a 3 point contest on their home court it'll be close. If we use Haas it's a blowout.

Fine observation. Chicago State double teamed him and Haas passed out for some open 3's. It looks like he was coached to get rid of the ball quickly, but if he takes a little more time and feels where the two defenders are, he can pass weak side to some wide open shooters. Thus I agree we need to feed him more, because no team can handle him 1 on 1 and when they double team him there are wide open 3's.
 
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I see a big problem. Haas could realistically shoot 70% this year. I don't know if that's ever happened. Problem is the guards especially you know who are too cocky and playing keep away from him. 3 field goal attempts today. I don't know if he had double digit shots in any WUG game. Our 1 loss is bc he didn't get enough shots. I haven't seen anybody on Marquette last couple years who could handle Haas. If we get into a 3 point contest on their home court it'll be close. If we use Haas it's a blowout.
Everyone is wise to you. You can stop now. I will say this was some fine trolling though. I actually thought you were a nasty old lady who wrote racist shit on the internet in between yelling at kids to stay off your lawn and buying more framed pictures of Jesus off QVC. Alas, you're just a bored loosier. One of the better efforts I have seen. Pack it in and get another screen name going, champ. Based on your first two games, looks like it will be a long year for you.
 
I see a big problem. Haas could realistically shoot 70% this year. I don't know if that's ever happened. Problem is the guards especially you know who are too cocky and playing keep away from him. 3 field goal attempts today. I don't know if he had double digit shots in any WUG game. Our 1 loss is bc he didn't get enough shots. I haven't seen anybody on Marquette last couple years who could handle Haas. If we get into a 3 point contest on their home court it'll be close. If we use Haas it's a blowout.

Who's 'you know who'?
I like Haas, but so many people are fascinated by his size, they don't realize that he's really limited offensively. Unless he gets the ball already in scoring position low on the block, he's not going to do anything with it.
Plus, if teams are going to sag on him and make you shoot jumpers, then that's what you do. You don't force the ball into the post if it's not there, that just leads to turnovers.
CE is one of the best scoring guards in the league. Play through him.
 
Who's 'you know who'?
I like Haas, but so many people are fascinated by his size, they don't realize that he's really limited offensively. Unless he gets the ball already in scoring position low on the block, he's not going to do anything with it.
Plus, if teams are going to sag on him and make you shoot jumpers, then that's what you do. You don't force the ball into the post if it's not there, that just leads to turnovers.
CE is one of the best scoring guards in the league. Play through him.

I was thinking she was referring to Carsen. Check his stats through two games.

20.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.5 assists and zero turnovers on the season.

Frosh -> Soph is typically the biggest jump for a college player. He seems to be playing way more under control and the game is probably "slowing down for him" this year.

Get over the hate and enjoy watching this team if you are truly a Boilermaker fan. If you are an IU fan, I can understand all the back-handed comments towards the team and other people on this board.
 
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I was thinking she was referring to Carsen. Check his stats through two games.

20.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.5 assists and zero turnovers on the season.

Frosh -> Soph is typically the biggest jump for a college player. He seems to be playing way more under control and the game is probably "slowing down for him" this year.

Get over the hate and enjoy watching this team if you are truly a Boilermaker fan. If you are an IU fan, I can understand all the back-handed comments towards the team and other people on this board.

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He's out most athletic guard since Willie Deane and the best scorer since Moore.
The offense should run through him and it he takes 15-20 shots a game, fine with me.
The game is smaller and faster. Having trees like Haas is nice, but come tourney time, it's the guards who make the difference.
 
I know you Carson haters are not going to like what I am about to say, but here goes. If he keeps this up he's not going to be around long. The national media is already picking up on him and his talents and he's rapidly becoming a media darling.
Hopefully we get one more year but if he starts getting the Trey Burke/Mello Trimble treatment from the media, he better take the money and run. If he keeps this pace up, he will be like Biggie: draft stock can only go down.
 
I was thinking she was referring to Carsen. Check his stats through two games.

20.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.5 assists and zero turnovers on the season.

Frosh -> Soph is typically the biggest jump for a college player. He seems to be playing way more under control and the game is probably "slowing down for him" this year.

Get over the hate and enjoy watching this team if you are truly a Boilermaker fan. If you are an IU fan, I can understand all the back-handed comments towards the team and other people on this board.
Lenny's a Purdue fan. Just has a little different way of expressing appreciation than most of us.
 
Who's 'you know who'?
I like Haas, but so many people are fascinated by his size, they don't realize that he's really limited offensively. Unless he gets the ball already in scoring position low on the block, he's not going to do anything with it.
Plus, if teams are going to sag on him and make you shoot jumpers, then that's what you do. You don't force the ball into the post if it's not there, that just leads to turnovers.
CE is one of the best scoring guards in the league. Play through him.
Not true. Haas has developed his offensive game even more this year. Again, watch closer during the game as Haas has been used more frequently to set high screens...that would be the case if he hadn't shown growth with the development.

He has also shown a turn around jumper out to about 10-12 feet. In the game against Chicago State, he was fouled prior to him hitting a turnaround jumper.

I'll give you that he is limited in his offensive capabilities to within 10 feet or so...but then would you say the same about Cline and his apparent limited abilities to only beyond the arc? Haas is the best scorer inside of 6-7 feet in the country....and when Purdue needs a bucket, it'll go to him more often than not. This season, it'll likely be the shooters opening up the lane so Haas can operate on a one to one basis where he will score most of his points in the second half of games.
 
Lenny's a Purdue fan. Just has a little different way of expressing appreciation than most of us.

I don't know who Lenny is... my comment was towards BoilerBabyGirl's reference of a cocky player. I just assumed it was a dig at Carsen.

I see a big problem. Haas could realistically shoot 70% this year. I don't know if that's ever happened. Problem is the guards especially you know who are too cocky and playing keep away from him. 3 field goal attempts today. I don't know if he had double digit shots in any WUG game. Our 1 loss is bc he didn't get enough shots. I haven't seen anybody on Marquette last couple years who could handle Haas. If we get into a 3 point contest on their home court it'll be close. If we use Haas it's a blowout.
 
My thinking is that we use the Twin Towers especially in the key games and playoffs. This way we can grab the rebound and outlet to 3 players releasing for fast breaks. I think Baby Girl is saying the whole team needs to go through Haas once we set up the half-court offense. Haas will shoot 70%, if they try to play him 1 on 1. However, Haas is learning to hit teammates for the wide open 3’s. Like Johnny said Haas has the ability to spin out and look weak side or take a mid-range jump shot. Heck he shoot 70%+ from the FT line.

The big plus to our game is our D. I agree with what is said about Carson offensively, but like I said last year he had the quickest hands defensively. When Haas is in the game, the other team does not like to shoot in close, however with twin towers he can challenge 3's. Haarms was outstanding getting out there to disrupt 3's. Dakota plays the best man to man D and PJ is what I call a water bug D player. He bothers the heck out of the O player.
 
I often agree with a lot of what Baby posts, but then there is aways a stab/potshot at a player or another poster. I want to like her posts, but I prefer not to constantly rip other people on here. Disagree all you want, but no need to disrespect people. Supposedly we are all Purdue fans here.
 
Not true. Haas has developed his offensive game even more this year. Again, watch closer during the game as Haas has been used more frequently to set high screens...that would be the case if he hadn't shown growth with the development.

He has also shown a turn around jumper out to about 10-12 feet. In the game against Chicago State, he was fouled prior to him hitting a turnaround jumper.

I'll give you that he is limited in his offensive capabilities to within 10 feet or so...but then would you say the same about Cline and his apparent limited abilities to only beyond the arc? Haas is the best scorer inside of 6-7 feet in the country....and when Purdue needs a bucket, it'll go to him more often than not. This season, it'll likely be the shooters opening up the lane so Haas can operate on a one to one basis where he will score most of his points in the second half of games.

Not saying Haas is poor offensively, but for him to be able to make moves, he essentially has to get his man in an isolation so he can either score or draw a foul. Plus, teams will sag and give him the mid-range jumper all day because they know if their big leaves the lane, Carsen or Vince will drive it. I think Haas will continue to see double/triple teams to make him give up the ball and not give him a chance to make an offensive move.
When that happens, we just can't afford to have one of those 2-25 nights from 3.
 
I often agree with a lot of what Baby posts, but then there is aways a stab/potshot at a player or another poster. I want to like her posts, but I prefer not to constantly rip other people on here. Disagree all you want, but no need to disrespect people. Supposedly we are all Purdue fans here.

You'll get a lot farther with me if you just shut up and agree I was talking about Carsen. The same guy whose off nights earlier this year caused his team to get blown out in the U19 and WUG tournaments. Maybe that paints a clearer picture why I'm bothered.
 
Not saying Haas is poor offensively, but for him to be able to make moves, he essentially has to get his man in an isolation so he can either score or draw a foul. Plus, teams will sag and give him the mid-range jumper all day because they know if their big leaves the lane, Carsen or Vince will drive it. I think Haas will continue to see double/triple teams to make him give up the ball and not give him a chance to make an offensive move.
When that happens, we just can't afford to have one of those 2-25 nights from 3.
This team is very good at recognizing what the defense is giving and taking it. Haas really can’t be guarded by many players one on one if he receives the ball in good position, which puts tremendous pressure on the defense and opens up a lot of great looks on the perimeter.

My prediction is that this will be Matt Painter’s highest scoring team.
 
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You'll get a lot farther with me if you just shut up and agree I was talking about Carsen. The same guy whose off nights earlier this year caused his team to get blown out in the U19 and WUG tournaments. Maybe that paints a clearer picture why I'm bothered.
HAHAHA I truly can't tell if you are joking or are just trolling. Either way, your posts are quite ridiculous about trying to force some one to fit in to your thought process and feelings.

I don't agree with plenty of people here and I'm sure many others feel the same about me (particularly about Mathias' career next year)...but I have never personally said or had another poster say something as incredulous and rude as what you displayed here.

Carsen may have an off night but we aren't talking about Kobe and 4 other nitwits here. Carsen has other players that are able to carry the team and a loss should be placed squarely there instead of on one guy. If Carsen felt like he had to carry the team on a certain night...it might be that the other guys were failing to step up around him. You should also see the Carsen we all have seen the last two games in that he has been much more controlled in his shot selection and when he is on...his teammates will look for him to make shots as they did last night frequently.
 
You'll get a lot farther with me if you just shut up and agree I was talking about Carsen. The same guy whose off nights earlier this year caused his team to get blown out in the U19 and WUG tournaments. Maybe that paints a clearer picture why I'm bothered.

Did you even watch the U19 and WUG games? Carsen is the reason we beat Israel and was right there with Vince as the best player on the floor in the final game. In the final alone, he had 7 more points, more assists, more steals, and more rebounds than Vince, while playing less time. In the U19 games, Carsen was playing with a bunch of future NBA guys and never started. He got in games typically in the second quarter. He was not the focal point in those games... that team had a bunch of selfish kids trying to impress people. My guess is Carsen saw this and appreciates his Boilers even more after that.
 
Did you even watch the U19 and WUG games? Carsen is the reason we beat Israel and was right there with Vince as the best player on the floor in the final game. In the final alone, he had 7 more points, more assists, more steals, and more rebounds than Vince, while playing less time. In the U19 games, Carsen was playing with a bunch of future NBA guys and never started. He got in games typically in the second quarter. He was not the focal point in those games... that team had a bunch of selfish kids trying to impress people. My guess is Carsen saw this and appreciates his Boilers even more after that.
Good point on the U19 experience and one that I hadn't thought of before. He was asked to be a sort of combo guard but I think saw he was playing 3rd and 4th fiddle at times instead of playing with a group of unselfish players that didn't care if Carsen was hunting for shots because they know how good he can be. I have sensed a different kind of player this year from watching two games in person (one being 6 rows behind the bench) and I believe he'll be the leader of the team along with Haarms next season. Those two will be very good complimentary captains with one being more of a quiet intensity and fire (Carsen) with Haarms being the vocal and exuberant player. Very happy with the future of where the program is heading with the continued high character players who are also very good.
 
Good point on the U19 experience and one that I hadn't thought of before. He was asked to be a sort of combo guard but I think saw he was playing 3rd and 4th fiddle at times instead of playing with a group of unselfish players that didn't care if Carsen was hunting for shots because they know how good he can be. I have sensed a different kind of player this year from watching two games in person (one being 6 rows behind the bench) and I believe he'll be the leader of the team along with Haarms next season. Those two will be very good complimentary captains with one being more of a quiet intensity and fire (Carsen) with Haarms being the vocal and exuberant player. Very happy with the future of where the program is heading with the continued high character players who are also very good.

It’s sad too because Calipari often said Carsen was the best player on the floor. Seems he used the experience as more of a recruiting tool and a chance for these kids to rep the USA with gold.
 
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He's out most athletic guard since Willie Deane and the best scorer since Moore.
The offense should run through him and it he takes 15-20 shots a game, fine with me.
The game is smaller and faster. Having trees like Haas is nice, but come tourney time, it's the guards who make the difference.

in the closing seconds and the game is close...the guards make the difference, but they need some good bigs or it won't be close. Guards have the ball and bigs must receive it...the huge difference in closing seconds... as well as the protection given to drivers coupled with guards typically being better FT shooters if fouled in the closing seconds. Course you get a ref that doesn't call touch fouls on the perimeter, then the guards lose some of that advantage
 
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Good point on the U19 experience and one that I hadn't thought of before. He was asked to be a sort of combo guard but I think saw he was playing 3rd and 4th fiddle at times instead of playing with a group of unselfish players that didn't care if Carsen was hunting for shots because they know how good he can be. I have sensed a different kind of player this year from watching two games in person (one being 6 rows behind the bench) and I believe he'll be the leader of the team along with Haarms next season. Those two will be very good complimentary captains with one being more of a quiet intensity and fire (Carsen) with Haarms being the vocal and exuberant player. Very happy with the future of where the program is heading with the continued high character players who are also very good.

I really like C. Edwards and hope he has changed but I honestly haven't really seen it yet. He was better last game, but who knows what that means because Chi-State is so so bad. I guess if he only takes a couple long pull up jumpers a game that isn't too bad (especially if he's committing 0, 1 or 2 turnovers) but the fewer of these the better IMO.

There are of course exceptions when he's really hot, but with all the shooters on the team, I'd rather see him drive and kick the majority of the time. I'll be surprised every time Mathias misses and open look this year.
 
I really like C. Edwards and hope he has changed but I honestly haven't really seen it yet. He was better last game, but who knows what that means because Chi-State is so so bad. I guess if he only takes a couple long pull up jumpers a game that isn't too bad (especially if he's committing 0, 1 or 2 turnovers) but the fewer of these the better IMO.

There are of course exceptions when he's really hot, but with all the shooters on the team, I'd rather see him drive and kick the majority of the time. I'll be surprised every time Mathias misses and open look this year.

Am I missing something? Here's what we have seen this year. Carsen has taken one more shot than Vince on the year. He is shooting 55% from 3 where Vince is shooting 17%. Vince has more rebounds and 2.5 TOs per game... Carson hasn't turned it over yet this year. Carsen is averaging 21 ppg where Vince is at 15 ppg (again with a single shot separating them).

I just don't see an out of control Carsen anymore. And btw, Dakota is 86% from 3. Nice! Of the people that shoot 3s regularly:

Dakota (6/7) - 86%
Carsen (6/11) - 55%
PJ (6/12) - 50%
Vince (1/6) - 17%
Cline (1/6) - 17%

If the image is too small, here's a link - http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/2509

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If Carsen keeps his scoring where it is currently he will be a 1,000 point scorer by the end of the season. after last year I projected him to have a chance at 2,000 pts in four years. he is on track but I bet the NBA comes calling at some point.
 
If Carsen keeps his scoring where it is currently he will be a 1,000 point scorer by the end of the season. after last year I projected him to have a chance at 2,000 pts in four years. he is on track but I bet the NBA comes calling at some point.
I don’t see him leaving early for the NBA. As good as he is, he’s still a 6’ scoring guard. I think that he has a shot of making the NBA, but like Frank Mason, his height will make it tough for him to ever move up to the first round.
 
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