Purdue - No. 1 in returning minutes from last season's S16

[SnowLeopard]

Finally, an intelligent and well informed season preview

http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...sketball-what-last-years-sweet-16-brings-back

Returning minutes
Regardless of which of these four statistical category you choose, one truth is immediately clear: Purdue returns a ton of what got it to the Sweet 16 last season. Purdue ranks first in three of the four categories we examined.

The Boilermakers have big shoes to fill, quite literally, with the loss of 6-foot-8, 250-pound forward Caleb "Biggie" Swanigan, who led the team in both points and rebounds in 2016-17. But the next six guys behind him on the Purdue scoring list, including senior forward Vince Edwards and senior center Isaac Haas, who both averaged 12.6 points per game, return from last year. As far as just playing time, 75.5 percent of the minutes played last season were from guys who are still on the roster this season.



Purdue's roster features an impressive balance of guards, wings and frontcourt players who return from last year's Big Ten championship-winning team. If you're looking for another reason to buy in to Purdue, consider the extra practices and games under the team's belt with its participation in the World University Games in Taipei, Taiwan over the summer. The Boilermakers' veteran-laden squad is already off to a head start for the 2017-18 season.

TEAM PERCENTAGE OF RETURNING MINUTES
Purdue 75.5%
Xavier 66.6%
Baylor 56.8%
West Virginia 52.7%
Butler 52.1%
Arizona 49.7%
Florida 48.2%
Kansas 46.7%
Gonzaga 46.1%
Michigan 43.7%
North Carolina 42.6%
Wisconsin 39.5%
South Carolina 33.4%
UCLA 30.8%
Oregon 18.7%
Kentucky 11.6%

 

[Cleanface]

Thanks for posting!

 

[Wolegib]

I'm not that big on using returning minutes played as a predictor! It negates the teams that utilize one and done players. Kentucky will be tough without having experienced players! Something that should also be pointed out was that stat was only for sweet 16 teams! Neither Duke or MSU were included! And there are many teams that have 5 seniors that don't even make the tourney or have winning seasons! Experience doesn't always equate into success unless that experience also includes talent! Purdue's football team had a lot of experience last year!

 

[Treed1967]

I'm not that big on using returning minutes played as a predictor! It negates the teams that utilize one and done players. Kentucky will be tough without having experienced players! Something that should also be pointed out was that stat was only for sweet 16 teams! Neither Duke or MSU were included! And there are many teams that have 5 seniors that don't even make the tourney or have winning seasons! Experience doesn't always equate into success unless that experience also includes talent! Purdue's football team had a lot of experience last year!

I will disagree with you on this post why bcuz the elite 8 teams and final 4 teams from last year had many players with experience on them why those teams advanced as far as they did. Kentucky with lack of experience will struggle this season watch the season play out. My son played against most of those players on that team and many not what they seem and you will see as the season goes. Pressure bust a pipe and the pressure they will have on them will be massive and only time will tell how they handle it. Don't no much about purdue team from last year but it appears to me had a lot to do with coaching even with the experience but since than purdue brought in a new coach with the same players has got these players playing and believing in themselves. So if you don't think experience plays a big part in a team success than why can't the 76ers win they have 5/6 top 3 picks in the past 3 drafts and they haven't won but appears to be getting better but you look at teams with experience with good players they tend to do better than those with less experience. At the end of the day purdue got experience players with talent players and they will be a team to beat this year

 

[Wolegib]

The 76ers haven't won because their top players have been injured and didn't play! On the other hand, the Bucks had a lot of experience but were losers until Giannis and Parker showed up! I also believe the 76ers intentional lost games! I've always been a believer that talent always beats experience! Purdue has won in the past not because of their experience, but because of their talent! The three amigos all had talent! I also am a firm believer that to win in the NCAA tourney a team needs to make its FTs and have excellent guard play. Purdue's losses can be attributed to missed FTs and poor guard play! That will not be the case this year . Rather than experienced players, Purdue has experienced and talented players!

 

[Treed1967]

The 76ers haven't won because their top players have been injured and didn't play! On the other hand, the Bucks had a lot of experience but were losers until Giannis and Parker showed up! I also believe the 76ers intentional lost games! I've always been a believer that talent always beats experience! Purdue has won in the past not because of their experience, but because of their talent! The three amigos all had talent! I also am a firm believer that to win in the NCAA tourney a team needs to make its FTs and have excellent guard play. Purdue's losses can be attributed to missed FTs and poor guard play! That will not be the case this year . Rather than experienced players, Purdue has experienced and talented players!

As talented as Kentucky and Duke are on paper they will struggle bcuz they both lack players with experience that can help them out. My son has tones of talent but he has experienced players like dakato, Ryan, thompson and both Edwards there to help him out to learn what they already no. I have seen these kids play all of them and watch as season plays out Kentucky and Duke with all that talent with nobody on those rosters except Duke Grayson allen can be of some help when that stage is to bright them games are tight and nobody for them to lean on bcuz they lack the experience to handle those situations like what purdue has that my son or the new comers won't have to be thrust in those situations on their own bcuz they got 6 players who have been through the trenches and battles together they will ease the minds of the new comers. I don't get caught up in rankings sir and star status as you no and that is what those rosters has and until they all play games we both don't no the outcome of those games till they happen. Remember they play for Duke and Kentucky but expectations to win is different than most team. They are on the big stage they must produce period.

 

[njm8845]

Talent and experience aren't mutually exclusive. It's preferable to have both, obviously. But if you have to pick, pick talent every time. I've seen lots of successful teams led by freshman and sophomores. Deep runs in the Big Dance by untalented teams are uncommon.

I think saying "Duke will struggle" is a stretch. They have a ridiculous amount of talent coming in. I would be shocked if they don't win 25 games.

 

[Treed1967]

Talent and experience aren't mutually exclusive. It's preferable to have both, obviously. But if you have to pick, pick talent every time. I've seen lots of successful teams led by freshman and sophomores. Deep runs in the Big Dance by untalented teams are uncommon.

I think saying "Duke will struggle" is a stretch. They have a ridiculous amount of talent coming in. I would be shocked if they don't win 25 games.

I never said they don't have talent I said they will struggle bcuz they lack experience and is it possible that a young team can be successful yes but remember this is Fuke different stage and different expectations. How did it workout for Michigan st last year besides the 2 injuries they had oh by the way not 5star players but talented nonthe less. They were young weren't they and struggled for most of the season why expectations are higher for those teams when you as fans put them on that stage and not many can handle it. That is why Michigan st is top 5 this year bcuz what they bring a lot of experience players back.

 

[Dryfly88]

I never said they don't have talent I said they will struggle bcuz they lack experience and is it possible that a young team can be successful yes but remember this is Fuke different stage and different expectations. How did it workout for Michigan st last year besides the 2 injuries they had oh by the way not 5star players but talented nonthe less. They were young weren't they and struggled for most of the season why expectations are higher for those teams when you as fans put them on that stage and not many can handle it. That is why Michigan st is top 5 this year bcuz what they bring a lot of experience players back.

For most of last season MSU couldn't put a player on the floor bigger than 6'8". I think it's amazing they won as many games as they did. Their injuries were a huge issue (pun intended).

 

[Treed1967]

For most of last season MSU couldn't put a player on the floor bigger than 6'8". I think it's amazing they won as many games as they did. Their injuries were a huge issue (pun intended).

Fair to say but they had the 4 freshman and everybody for the season with the exception of miles for 6 games he was out but bottom line they were top 3 team coming into the season and expectations are the same when it's Michigan st.

 

[BoilerBiker]

msu ended up better than i imagined as well, considering the slow start, and enduring 3 seniors suffering season ending knee injuries (plus others dinged up early in the year as well).

having started as the 12th ranked team (with a top 4 freshman class), ending up in the 8/9 tourney game and elimination by the 1 seed was a tough way out i'm sure (as purdue knows about meeting up with the 1's!).

like a previous thread noted, msu was a fairly good example of needing talent coupled with upperclassmen/experience to have the better odds of tournament advancement.

 

[Dryfly88]

Fair to say but they had the 4 freshman and everybody for the season with the exception of miles for 6 games he was out but bottom line they were top 3 team coming into the season and expectations are the same when it's Michigan st.

I think most knowledgeable basketball people knew they were in for a tough season when their bigs went down. If I told the PU fan base that VE was going to be our "center" for the season I'm pretty sure our expectations would drop tremendously. It wasn't the fact that they had injuries (most teams have some of that) it was that they lost all of their size. No way you can be a top 10 team when you can't score or guard the post.

This year they have their size back and JJJ. If they don't finish in the top ten then that will be something entirely different.

 

[Treed1967]

I think most knowledgeable basketball people knew they were in for a tough season when their bigs went down. If I told the PU fan base that VE was going to be our "center" for the season I'm pretty sure our expectations would drop tremendously. It wasn't the fact that they had injuries (most teams have some of that) it was that they lost all of their size. No way you can be a top 10 team when you can't score or guard the post.

This year they have their size back and JJJ. If they don't finish in the top ten then that will be something entirely different.

You apparently a mich at fan I get it I'll move on from this topic bcuz you seem to want to keep making your. Season starts a month from now no excuses right they have everything they need. Have a good day

 

[BoilerBiker]

good point, msu not only lost the upperclassmen & experience, but substantial size as well.
msu suffered the injury bug like purdue teams of old.

thankfully purdue should not have any worries with size this year : )

 

[Dryfly88]

You apparently a mich at fan I get it I'll move on from this topic bcuz you seem to want to keep making your. Season starts a month from now no excuses right they have everything they need. Have a good day

No, I'm a PU Grad, JPC Member and 40+ year fan of the Boilers. My posting history on here will speak for itself with those that have been here more than 5 minutes. You need to be careful with how quickly you judge people that call you on something that you are simply wrong about. If you don't think that the MSU injuries were a huge factor in their season last year then fine. But you would be in a very small minority of people that think that. Including most of us PU fans on here.

 

[Treed1967]

You apparently a mich at fan I get it I'll move on from this topic bcuz you seem to want to keep making your. Season starts a month from now no excuses right they have everything they need. Have a good day

Fans will be fa

No, I'm a PU Grad, JPC Member and 40+ year fan of the Boilers. My posting history on here will speak for itself with those that have been here more than 5 minutes. You need to be careful with how quickly you judge people that call you on something that you are simply wrong about. If you don't think that the MSU injuries were a huge factor in their season last year then fine. But you would be in a very small minority of people that think that. Including most of us PU fans on here.

so I'm suppose to agree with you with what you say too bcuz you a fan of 40 years. I no basketball as well sir and I don't mind a debate and I speak of what I no bcuz I played the game and I am a basketball official so I no a little about this game as well so again sir and my point is even with their injuries which I'm well aware of what they had mich st was a top 3 team coming into the season with high expectations bcuz of the star status players they have and was predicted to do very well that season. I no they had injuries sir and it showed a young inexperienced team had to learn the hard way. My point now that was than this is now we'll see what this season holds with all the size and experience players they have back. 5 min being a poster that is funny I actually been on here a little over 2 months now and only on here bcuz my son is on the team. I have no problem admitting if I was wrong and by the way I never said that wasn't the reason that struggle last season just didn't bring it up bcuz it's Mich St different set of expectations you get my point now. Well sir I'm done with this conversation you made your point and I made mine I'll take the high road and move on.

 

[BoilerBiker]

Fans will be fa

so I'm suppose to agree with you with what you say too bcuz you a fan of 40 years. I no basketball as well sir and I don't mind a debate and I speak of what I no bcuz I played the game and I am a basketball official so I no a little about this game as well so again sir and my point is even with their injuries which I'm well aware of what they had mich st was a top 3 team coming into the season with high expectations bcuz of the star status players they have and was predicted to do very well that season. I no they had injuries sir and it showed a young inexperienced team had to learn the hard way. My point now that was than this is now we'll see what this season holds with all the size and experience players they have back. 5 min being a poster that is funny I actually been on here a little over 2 months now and only on here bcuz my son is on the team. I have no problem admitting if I was wrong and by the way I never said that wasn't the reason that struggle last season just didn't bring it up bcuz it's Mich St different set of expectations you get my point now. Well sir I'm done with this conversation you made your point and I made mine I'll take the high road and move on.

i see msu mentioned as top 3 again.
which poll/source were they that high?
to begin last season, i only knew they were as high as #9 in the coaches, #12 in the ap

 

[Treed1967]

i see msu mentioned as top 3 again.
which poll/source were they that high?
to begin last season, i only knew they were as high as #9 in the coaches, #12 in the ap

Not ncaa tournament the class that was recruited was too 3 in the country

 

[Treed1967]

Not ncaa tournament the class that was recruited was too 3 in the country

Winston, ward, bridges and Langford were considered a top 3 class that Izzo recruited is what I'm implying

 

[BoilerBiker]

Not ncaa tournament the class that was recruited was too 3 in the country

ncaa tournament?
i was talking about the team ranking.

didn't realize you just meant the freshman class only, and not the team itself.
ya that class was 247 #3, rivals #4

 

[Dryfly88]

Fans will be fa

so I'm suppose to agree with you with what you say too bcuz you a fan of 40 years. I no basketball as well sir and I don't mind a debate and I speak of what I no bcuz I played the game and I am a basketball official so I no a little about this game as well so again sir and my point is even with their injuries which I'm well aware of what they had mich st was a top 3 team coming into the season with high expectations bcuz of the star status players they have and was predicted to do very well that season. I no they had injuries sir and it showed a young inexperienced team had to learn the hard way. My point now that was than this is now we'll see what this season holds with all the size and experience players they have back. 5 min being a poster that is funny I actually been on here a little over 2 months now and only on here bcuz my son is on the team. I have no problem admitting if I was wrong and by the way I never said that wasn't the reason that struggle last season just didn't bring it up bcuz it's Mich St different set of expectations you get my point now. Well sir I'm done with this conversation you made your point and I made mine I'll take the high road and move on.

You don't have to agree with anything. You can have your opinion about anything you want. Just realize that not everyone is going to agree with you and that doesn't make them a fan of some other team. The 5 minute comment wasn't necessary and I apologize for that. My point was that some of us have been posting here for years and to have someone that isn't aware of our history to suggest we are a MSU fan is not necessary either. If you knew any of my posting history you would know how much I despise MSU and Izzo. But that doesn't stop me from being objective when it comes to them. Injuries killed them last year and that is a fact. We'll see what they do this year.

Carry on. I too will attempt to take the high road, there is room for both of us on it.

 

[BoilerAndy]

Talent and experience aren't mutually exclusive. It's preferable to have both, obviously.

Purdue has both.

 

[Wolegib]

I expect MSU to be a great team this year and not because of their experience ! I expect U.K. and Duke to be great as well and not because of their experience! I believe Purdue made the sweet 16 last year more on their talent level than experience! I firmly believe experience is way over rated!

MSU had a lot of injury problems last year! They will be better not because of experience, but because of health and the addition of one very talented player! JJJ !!! And I believe if JJJ had come to Purdue his talent would secure a starting role over one of Purdue's very experienced seniors - take your pick!

If JJJ had come to Purdue, we'd be talking a final 4 run and it would be because of JJJ's talent, not Haas' experience!

Sure, Duke and U.K didn't make the sweet 16 last year, but when they did in previous years, they won based on their talent, not their experience! Neither Jabari Parker or Kyrie were experienced!

When UCLA won their first of 3 NCAA titles with Lew Alcindor they won based on his talent, not his experience. Purdue was the team with experience that got blown away by UCLA's talent.

And that's my opinion and if it differs with others, then we will disagree! And if we disagree, that doesn't mean I'm less of a Purdue fan or I'm a UTSA or USF fan! It just means from my experience, I have reached a different conclusion!

 

[Treed1967]

I expect MSU to be a great team this year and not because of their experience ! I expect U.K. And Duke to be great as well and not because of their experience! I believe Purdue made the sweet 16 last year more on their talent level than experience! I grimly belive experience is way over rated!

MSU had a lot of injury problems last year! They will be better not because of experience, but because of health and the addition of one very talented player! JJJ !!! And I believe if JJJ had come to Purdue his talent would secure a starting role over one of Purdue's experienced seniors - take your pick!

If JJJ had come to Purdue, we'd be talking a final 4 run and it would be because of JJJ's talent, not Haas' experience!

Sure, Duke and U.K didn't make the sweet 16 last year, but when they did, they won based on their talent, not their experience!

When UCLA won their first of 3 NCAA titles with Lew Alcindor they won based on his talent, not his experience. Purdue was the team with experience that got blown away by UCLA's talent.

And that's my opinion and if it differs with others, then we will disagree! And if we disagree, that doesn't mean I'm less of a Purdue fan or I'm a UTSA or USF fan! It just means from my experience, I have reached a different conclusion!

Great you got your point across

 

[Dakota Girl]

I'm not that big on using returning minutes played as a predictor! It negates the teams that utilize one and done players. Kentucky will be tough without having experienced players! Something that should also be pointed out was that stat was only for sweet 16 teams! Neither Duke or MSU were included! And there are many teams that have 5 seniors that don't even make the tourney or have winning seasons! Experience doesn't always equate into success unless that experience also includes talent! Purdue's football team had a lot of experience last year!

Point taken but I hope your not comparing our football from last year to our basketball from last year!

 

[Dakota Girl]

It just means from my experience, I have reached a different conclusion!

Wait a minute...I thought experience is over rated!

 

[Mandeville LA]

Talent and experience aren't mutually exclusive. It's preferable to have both, obviously. But if you have to pick, pick talent every time. I've seen lots of successful teams led by freshman and sophomores. Deep runs in the Big Dance by untalented teams are uncommon.

I think saying "Duke will struggle" is a stretch. They have a ridiculous amount of talent coming in. I would be shocked if they don't win 25 games.

I would agree that talent will take you a long way in the NCAA's but I would never in a million years overlook a top 25 team made up of seniors. It's been proven many times that experience counts.