We are all entitlted to our own opinion. You are certainly welcome to yours. I may not agree with you on many aspects. It gets down to a so what conversation, which can be unproductive. I will do my best to stay above that, as you have.
We might run out of room for all the back and forth.
Originally posted by walstib816:
Allow me to retort:
Excluding the Hummel class (one class) how many stars has Matt brought into the program?
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Vince Edwards, AJ Hammons, Haas, Mathias, Stephans, etc. - last couple
classes have been riddled with 4* talent. the 2007 class was 4* as
well, so I would say roughly equivilent. As for the great Cordova dark
period, 2007-2012, I would say LewJack and TJ were both 4 star players.
So in ten years you name the current class and 2 other....hmmmmmmm -
let me add that all 5 of the current class and all but Scott of the class before have been important players for Purdue, and were highly rated out of high school (top 150). You asked how many stars. I gave you plenty of examples that show Painter might be on an upward trend recruiting.
Just because you do not like the President does not give you a pass on recruiting
To me it is obvious that the dip in recruiting in all major sports coincides exactly with the reign of Cordova. Coincident or causal factor? I think causal. I liked the choice of Cordova for president at the time, but why would all sports take a violent and unpresidented dip to last place during her reign? The common factor being lack of talent and poor recriuiting across the board. Do you think that all our coaches suddenly forgot to recruit? Why do you think Tilller left with so little warmth in his goodbye? He loved this school, but couldn't wait to run.
Also I would guess next years class is at or near the bottom of the B1G....consistent is not a word we use in recruiting -
I would wait until these kids get on the court before you make that call. All you can pose is a strawman arguement. Not worth the debate.
How many Freshman players made the B1G all Freshman team?
- don't recall. If AJ stays another year he will have DEVELOPED into an all BIG center, from not being on the freshmen team? I remember a time when we regularly put Freshmen on the team, I seem to remember TJ being on it, not many since or before...
The all BIG freshman team is a beauty contest. The press is influenced by the succeess of the school. I find the all-BIG team to be an unreliable indicator of future success. However, I do agree that we need to get some freshman that can have immediate impact. Recruiting is an area I want to see Matt improve on. I sure as hell would not measure it on the all-BIG freshman team membership.
do players shoot a lower free throw percentage and keep it lower then they shot before coming to Purdue?
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this would require a bunch of reseach of high school statisitcs going
back 8 years. Not going to do it. Then there is the argument that high
school statistics are not relavant and do not translate well to the
college game. All I know is that our FT shooting is much better this
year than last. If you are using this as the only measure of
development, then I think your focus is too narrow. Development should
include how to play your position, how to defend, how to understsand
what plays to run against what defenses. All things that Painter
teaches very well.
He should teach them how to make free throws it is an embarrassment how we shot from the line.
- Not sure what your issue is. This year's team showed strong improvement from last year. We work as hard on free throws as any team in the BIG.
How can we not know how to feed the post ?
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Purdue was the best team in the NCAA at feeding the post. We did it
more often than any other team. DId we have turn overs doing it? Yes!
Once you feed the post, the result is a very high percentage shot. The
risk is in the feeding. Taking an outside shot is a much lower % risk
of TO, but also a much lower % of success.
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actual statistics, but let me share my perspective on feeding the post:
Let's say that 1 out of 10 feeds is a turn over. However, the center
will hit 80% of his shots once he has the ball. The end result is a
play that results in points 60-70% of the time. Taking an outside shot,
even at a 40% hit rate and zero turnovers, is not as good a scoring
strategy as feeding the post with an occational TO.
Maybe here is a better question, when we go in offensive slumps for extended minutes in the game and our center never touches the ball....how does that happen....how can you see on TV a center is coming open and we should throw the ball to where he is becoming open and almost never do. Check the Cin game, AJ gets 2 flushes early and then does not shoot for quite some time....that is bad coaching.
- AJ also gets 2 flushes in the OT period too right? Is that now "good coaching"? Actually I also find the soimetimes lack of passing inside to be frustrating, but you must drill the team in a variety of offenses so your team is not a one-trick pony. We would be too easy to defend if we didn't do a variety of schemes.
Who is going to be our point guard next year?
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Beats the stuffings out of me. Maybe we should just forfet the next
season? .Or maybe we get a Kramer-like Weatherford (sp?) that is tough
as nails bringing the ball up?
This is a planning and recruiting issue and it does not go away only the position changes.....
Again, you make a supposition that we are going to have a problem next year as your only argument that Matt is a bad coach. Suggest this issue be taken off the table since it is only supposition.
How many point guards has Matt recruited and then run off?
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Interesting question. The only one I can recall is Ronnie Johnson.
Asking the kid to play the team game, and stop the one-on-three crap is
not "running him off". Sorry, but he left on his own accord, with his
Papa in tow. Don't let the door hit him in the butt, as far as I am
concerned.
I think you can add Kelsey and soon Bryson. These are not kids offered one day before signing period, these are kids watched for years, play on the court and then don't for some reason never known. As far as Ronnie the way he was treated on this site by you and others was horrendous....way to go picking on a kid under 21 hope it makes you feel better. Matt sure played them a lot and recruited them for years....Also do you think we will ever want another kid from NC High School? I am sure we will get a good report from the last one.
WHO IS TO BLAME HERE?
- You are really reaching here. Kelsey was not a point guard. He made choices that got him thrown off the team. Why do you think Bryson is part of this argument? Again, you use supposition to attempt "prove" your point. I just don't buy this arguement. Out of all the kids all coaches (good or bad) recruit, some kids make bad choices. It is not the coach's fault.
BTW where is the solution for Ronnie, if Ronnie was an issue his Freshman year how long does it take to bring someone in (on a long term basis) to handle the responsibilities....I guess we are still waiting...
- As sson as Ronnie made up his mind to follow his father's recommendations , Painter recruited PJ. That's how long, since you asked. He also went out and got a 5th year senior to help the situation. Nice work Matt!
One of Painter's strenghts is developing his
palyers, so I am curious why you would think otherwise. Go back and
watch the development of Landry, JJ, Hummel, etc. Add to that some of
our lesser players who became better as they progressed. Guys like
LewJack, TJ, Ryne Smith, DJ Byrd. These guys never had the talent to
be great players, but he got them to be good players.
I have only seen mild, natural progression under Painter, although I did not bring this point up I believe the player is most responsible for their improvement and Matt has not been recruiting those players.who are interested in putting the time into getting better or their time was not well monitored to make sure they added the value necessary. Not sure why you bring up DJ because like Kramer I think both regressed, Kramer due to mostly injuries and I am unsure what happened to DJ.
- Kramer improved, but his role deminished as Painter got help at PG with LewJack. Kramer was twice the defender and a much better scoring guard his senior year. You and I may disagree on what is development. Take JJ for example. Unable to hold a starting position his freshman year, he progressed into a deadly turn-around jump shooter by his senior year.
You also talk about not recruiting the right type of players. I agree and so did Painter. Now the freshman are leading the gym charge with Mathias there ahead of Davis. You have to admit that the newer crop of kids have shown exactly what you are talking about when it comes to desire to improve.
