POLL: Will Charlie Spegal get a P5 scholarship offer?
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For this to be a valid poll shouldn't " who cares" be a valid poll option?
I think he’s going the opposite direction.. he wants people to say no so that he can bump it when spegals goes to a good football school
Only for those who have over a 336 message thread that doesn't stop that should be much less than 12 long.
Bingo. I have no inside information but I just have a gut feeling on this one. This kid is a warrior.
I put who cares; not because I do my think spegal can be a player; if teams got 95 schollies we probably take him. It’s because if you pay for premium you know that the scholarship just isn’t there and never has been. We are looking to take 3 more players most likely and that will necessitate that some room be made ...
The players we are in on and likely get either fit s need or are just above this kids league.
And we are gonna be full at RB anyway ... Doerue, Murphy, Hewitt, Horvath. It would be like taking a TE and having to say no to an absolute freak at the wide receiver position.
So I like the kid but he’s just not for us. There are worse things than going to West Point. If my kid was a player but wasn’t gonna go to the NFL I’d tell him to go to West Point anyway
That's right. If he comes to Purdue, it's as a Walk On or a Preferred Walk On. We already have a 4* commit in Murphy for this class and there just isn't a scholarship for Spegal to be had.
I agree he’s not for us, right now, with all the other factors in play. I put the poll up because in the other thread there were a surprising number of people who have never seen the kid play, who were adamant he doesn’t belong on scholarship at ANY power 5 school.
While I agree, this is a Purdue board, not a “high school players in Indiana” board. I respect that he’s from your town, but Brohm really does way better than Hazell and hope as far as not neglecting Indiana high schools.
The season is here, this kid won’t be a boiler .. mostly because he has way better options than walking on at Purdue .. so it’s time to move on.
I’m sorry new Palestine is not a place people go, and that people are quick to pass judgment about things they know nothing about.
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By the way, would I be surprised if this kid turned into Danny woodhead? No. But the rules and numbers of schollies are what they are
By the way, would I be surprised if this kid turned into Danny woodhead? No. But the rules and numbers of schollies are what they are
He has offers from Army and Indiana State. No MAC schools have offered, including Ball State. He's camped at IU and they have not offered, at least not yet.
He had a great JR campaign and there's no arguing he has been very productive and successful. His video shows him bowling over small school defenders with regularity. Not sure that translates to P5-type schools and that level of competition. He's strong and compact. That said, I highly doubt he will be offered by BIG schools.
As Judge Judy would say... "That's either a yes or a no." … lol I've never seen Spegal play, but his numbers sound amazing. His game tonight, the 23rd, at Kokomo will be streamed on Kokomo's FastPlaySports at 6:45pm.
Link: https://www.ihsaatv.org/watch/new-pal-kokomo-2019-football-fastplaysports
I pulled the following Spegal numbers & clips about New Palestine from the Kokomo Tribune. Ranked No. 1 in the 5A preseason poll, the Dragons will put a 54-game regular-season winning streak on the line tonight. New Pal returns seven starters on both offense and defense, including four all-state players. One of those is senior running back Charlie Spegal, who posted the third-highest rushing total in state history last season (3,356 yards) and scored a state-record 70 touchdowns.Spegal enters tonight’s game needing 231 yards to move into second place on the state’s career rushing list and 411 yards to pass Sammy Mireles for the state record. Spegal needs 230 points to break Brett Law’s career scoring record. Last year, New Pal beat Kokomo 77-0 with Spegal scoring a school-record seven touchdowns. For Kokomo, it was the most lopsided loss in school history. New Pal up 42-0 at the end of 1st qter.
Defense is tough, also. The Dragons’ defense features senior tackle Kyle King, who had a state-best 18 sacks last season, and senior DB Maxen Hook, who had a team-high 126 tackles. King is a Michigan State commit and Hook is a Toledo commit.
I plan on watching some of this stream, if I can pull myself away from the WLaf at LJeff stream.
Recommendation for the New Pal bus driver: … leave it running. This won't take long.
Link: https://www.ihsaatv.org/watch/new-pal-kokomo-2019-football-fastplaysports
I pulled the following Spegal numbers & clips about New Palestine from the Kokomo Tribune. Ranked No. 1 in the 5A preseason poll, the Dragons will put a 54-game regular-season winning streak on the line tonight. New Pal returns seven starters on both offense and defense, including four all-state players. One of those is senior running back Charlie Spegal, who posted the third-highest rushing total in state history last season (3,356 yards) and scored a state-record 70 touchdowns.Spegal enters tonight’s game needing 231 yards to move into second place on the state’s career rushing list and 411 yards to pass Sammy Mireles for the state record. Spegal needs 230 points to break Brett Law’s career scoring record. Last year, New Pal beat Kokomo 77-0 with Spegal scoring a school-record seven touchdowns. For Kokomo, it was the most lopsided loss in school history. New Pal up 42-0 at the end of 1st qter.
Defense is tough, also. The Dragons’ defense features senior tackle Kyle King, who had a state-best 18 sacks last season, and senior DB Maxen Hook, who had a team-high 126 tackles. King is a Michigan State commit and Hook is a Toledo commit.
I plan on watching some of this stream, if I can pull myself away from the WLaf at LJeff stream.
Recommendation for the New Pal bus driver: … leave it running. This won't take long.
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Over half his games were against either 5A or 6A schools. So the “small-school” knock isn’t really accurate.
What is accurate is that he currently has no P5 offers (he has a classmate who is committed to MSU - King). Another teammate has a MAC offer. Spegal's not likely to get any. I hope for his sake that someone does offer him in the P5, but I doubt it happens. The kid has camped at some P5 schools and none offered him. Why is that?
No offense man but this is one of the things I hate about the forums here. Local bias. I’m so tired of hearing about David Bell like he’s as good as Milton Wright, not because he may not be, but because I know a huge part of the necessity to say it is because he’s an Indy kid.
Why don’t you just say it? “Indiana has great high school football”.. they don’t. It’s fine. It’s like that pizza place your brother’s wife raves about and you have to hold your hand up and say “it’s not as good as Di Fara’s... it’s fine.
Like I’m from Illinois. The high school football is good. It’s not Florida, California or Texas, if nothing else for sheer volume. Basketball is going to take more 50/50 kids away from football in both Illinois and Indiana than it is in Texas.
So just let these kids go where they go, hope the best for all of them, and let it sort itself out. I’d be just as excited about George Karlaftis if he came from Louisville and someone else was from down the block.
If a kid comes from your area and you care or feel the need to hype him more than another kid it’s likely just local bias, be it bell or spegal or whoever.
And David Bell May end up being the jerry rice figure some are crowning him as. Spegal May end up making big ten teams sorry. But on the former, being neither from Indy, NP or Louisville I have my money on wright being better than Bell and spegal not making big ten coaches sorry.
Marcellus Moore is from my sons high school conference.. so what. People back home rave about him. I have my money on him in no way causing announcers to ask if his first name is really rondale.
I didn’t start the original Spegal thread, nor do I think Purdue should offer him a scholarship.
Was last years schedule drastically different? This year game #1 is against 5A Kokomo. I would not say Kokomo is a GOOD 5A team. Week 2 is at 6A Center Grove and then the other 7 games are all against 3A or 4A schools. Hoosier Heritage is a pretty weak conference overall... that Center Grove game really is their only challenge on the entire schedule. That will be the game to watch. Will be interesting to see if the long regular-season win streak comes to an end in week 2.
While I agree there is definitely some Spegal bias on this board... I don’t understand any bias criticism when it comes to bell. Bell is a very highly ranked recruit. I think Bell and Wright will both be great WR’s at Purdue. Don’t sleep on Sheffield either.
I wasn’t trying to attack you. I was speaking to a trend I feel is real on this board as a group, not you individually
If David Bell was a 3* recruit then I could see your point, but the recruiting services that rank him higher than Wright have nothing to do with Indianapolis bias. I see no reason not to believe that both players will be very very good. Everytime I have seen Bell play he had looked phenomenal. Jeff Brohm said that he is a special player that we have to make sure we feature.
Can anyone confirm where the rumored 4.6 that Spegel ran was timed?
Was it his dad in the backyard or his high school coach?
I've watched his film and I don't see 4.6 speed. There's NFL WR who don't run a 4.6. Hell, a 4.5 speed at the WR position get's you looks from the NFL.
Was it his dad in the backyard or his high school coach?
I've watched his film and I don't see 4.6 speed. There's NFL WR who don't run a 4.6. Hell, a 4.5 speed at the WR position get's you looks from the NFL.
Every time this question is asked it does not get answered. This is what make me believe that 4.6 MIGHT not be legitimate. I have seen stats and/or measurables faked/lied about on more occasions than I’d like to admit. Usually someone (coach, statistician, relative) is intending to help get the athlete noticed by inflating their stats/measurables. I think this can often be to the detriment of the athlete. If a scout comes to watch someone with reported 4.6 speed and after watching they clearly do not, it can turn them off because they feel they were lied to and their time was wasted.
My senior year of HS we had a point guard who was listed as averaging 10.5 assists per game. Pretty good right? Except I kept stats for every game that year and he averaged around 4.5/game and never had more than 7. So whoever was keeping those “official” numbers either didn’t know what an assist was or was trying to make the point guard look good. He did not get any D1 offers.
The question is really easily answered in that Spegal, although he may be a very good player...he doesn't fit in to the way Brohm envisions his offense going or needing. Similarly to Brohm or Holt passing on high ability players because their skill sets don't seem to fit in the future of the offense, Spegal being a short and stocky FB may not fit in to what they want to do. You won't waste a scholarship on a player who appears to be destined for a FB type role when you can take advantage of better and bigger athletes to do that job as a PWO (like Alfred Armour). Do you believe Spegal will be better at being a FB than Armour will be in Purdue's offense? Likely not.
I will say I'm shocked Spegal doesn't have any Division 1 offers by now outside of Army. I think he has talent. he just doesn't fit the offense brohm wants to run. I would think some team that loves to run the ball would take a flyer on him. I would think Air force would be interested, but the Air Force is very selective about who they accept. and maybe he doesn't want the military commitment that comes with a scholarship.
Just because he hasn't received any offers, doesn't mean schools haven't contacted him.
Somebody asked before and it was never answered. How did he fair against the 6A teams? and the play-offs against the better competition? if he had a bad play-off run, that could be why colleges are shying away from him.
We've seen many Indiana 4A athletes be very successful at power 5 schools. Cronk comes to mind. What level was RB Jones? To not receive any offers, there must be something that is not being said. maybe his times are no longer what they were. He'll have another season to prove the doubters wrong. unfortunately the vast majority of scholarships at power 5 schools ill all be taken by his season's end.
Just because he hasn't received any offers, doesn't mean schools haven't contacted him.
Somebody asked before and it was never answered. How did he fair against the 6A teams? and the play-offs against the better competition? if he had a bad play-off run, that could be why colleges are shying away from him.
We've seen many Indiana 4A athletes be very successful at power 5 schools. Cronk comes to mind. What level was RB Jones? To not receive any offers, there must be something that is not being said. maybe his times are no longer what they were. He'll have another season to prove the doubters wrong. unfortunately the vast majority of scholarships at power 5 schools ill all be taken by his season's end.
pretty sure they only played 5 tournament games and I’m not sure the 78-0 drubbing of Anderson counts.
Is your argument that Moore was not a 4-star because he is not from Indianapolis?
Did some quick number crunching to answer your question. The only 6A team New Pal plays is Center Grove. In that game Spegal had 95 rushing yards and 2 TD’s and New Pal won 31-9. The closest 2 games were against 5A teams Zionsville (won 29-17) and Decatur Central (28-14). In those games he had 138 and 226 rushing yards with 4 and 2 TD’s.
New Pal played 7 games against 3A/4A teams and 7 games against 5A/6A teams.
Against the 3A/4A teams he ran for 1,847 yards (263 avg) and 39 TD’s (5.5 avg)
Against the 5A/6A teams he ran for 1,509 yards (215 avg) and 29 TD’s (4 avg)
Among 5A opponents.... Kokomo was a 77-0 blowout and Anderson was a 78-0 blowout in which Spegal combined for 586 yards and 14 TD’s. If you include just the 5 games vs 5A/6A in which the opposition was good enough to put points on the board he ran for 923 yards (184 avg) and 15 TD’s (3 avg)
Couple of interesting things I noticed. His biggest game of 387 yards and 7 TD’s was against Delta. Wasn’t that the team he used to play for?
Also thought it was interesting that the 3A/4A teams averaged more points scored vs New Pal than the 5A/6A teams did. Maybe because of the familiarity of playing them every year?
My argument is that rating services are often wrong, and I’m not counting on someone from this site to point to anyone and say “oh he’s .1 above the other guy, I know that he’s better.”
But I would say judging by the tone of your responses, you definitely don’t have that ole Indy chip on your shoulder
You can’t actually hear tone from reading text but I can say that I have no idea what you mean by “Indy chip on your shoulder”
Is this kid your son or relative? You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with him getting a P5 offer. I wish the kid well. But he's not a Purdue recruit and most agree we shouldn't offer him. So why do we keep talking about him?
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