Players don't pay for mistakes at purdue

[BoilermakerD]

two things ... and realize I'm delving into the dirty part of college football that we all now exists.

1) at a power program McCann and ever receiver who was like "oh shucks, dropped another wide open bomb that Taylor stubblefield's grandma could catch sleeping in her rocking chair" would be running until they puked this week ... and then running some more while someone said "wanna drop passes.. this is what happens."

"YOU DONT COME OUT TO PLAY MONDAY NIGHT YOU ARENT GONNA BELIEVE THE NEXT FOUR ****IN DAYS.

I'LL RUN YOU TILL YOU CAN'T EAT SUPPER."

2) And I guarantee you this happened whether you want to believe it or not.

Could have been the coach.. the AD... some administrator or big booster...

At halftime someone in the Nebraska locker room stood up in front of everyone and said said something like "we are Nebraska ... they are Purdue. You lose this game, and you have no idea how much you're gonna hate life when you get back to campus."

But at Purdue it's feel good BS and coach not to lose coaching

 

[TC4THREE]

In general, I don't think you should extend such punishment for dropped passes. Those WR's didn't intend to drop those passes. They didn't necessarily do anything wrong that led to them dropping them. I don't see how making them miserable is going to help them catch the next one. If they continually drop passes, my conclusion is that we don't have the right players and/or have them in the right places.

Now, if they are doing something costly by choice and its avoidable then that's when you take extra steps to change their behavior.

Here's the main thing. The power programs will put the next guy in if the starters continue to drop passes. We don't have that luxury right now.

 

[nat100]

Who do you replace them with? There is nothing behind them.

 

[TC4THREE]

two things ... and realize I'm delving into the dirty part of college football that we all now exists.

1) at a power program McCann and ever receiver who was like "oh shucks, dropped another wide open bomb that Taylor stubblefield's grandma could catch sleeping in her rocking chair" would be running until they puked this week ... and then running some more while someone said "wanna drop passes.. this is what happens."

"YOU DONT COME OUT TO PLAY MONDAY NIGHT YOU ARENT GONNA BELIEVE THE NEXT FOUR ****IN DAYS.

I'LL RUN YOU TILL YOU CAN'T EAT SUPPER."

2) And I guarantee you this happened whether you want to believe it or not.

Could have been the coach.. the AD... some administrator or big booster...

At halftime someone in the Nebraska locker room stood up in front of everyone and said said something like "we are Nebraska ... they are Purdue. You lose this game, and you have no idea how much you're gonna hate life when you get back to campus."

But at Purdue it's feel good BS and coach not to lose coaching

Thinking about this further, if someone did recite such a speech in Nebraska's locker room at halftime, it certainly didn't light a fire under them in the 3rd quarter. They didn't score a touchdown until the 4th quarter.

 

[Boiler Wolf]

In general, I don't think you should extend such punishment for dropped passes. Those WR's didn't intend to drop those passes. They didn't necessarily do anything wrong that led to them dropping them. I don't see how making them miserable is going to help them catch the next one. If they continually drop passes, my conclusion is that we don't have the right players and/or have them in the right places.

These players need to be coached up on better technique in my opinion. They are young and have better athleticism than the average 19-20 year old. Rather than punish them, get them out on the field and teach them.

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

two things ... and realize I'm delving into the dirty part of college football that we all now exists.

1) at a power program McCann and ever receiver who was like "oh shucks, dropped another wide open bomb that Taylor stubblefield's grandma could catch sleeping in her rocking chair" would be running until they puked this week ... and then running some more while someone said "wanna drop passes.. this is what happens."

"YOU DONT COME OUT TO PLAY MONDAY NIGHT YOU ARENT GONNA BELIEVE THE NEXT FOUR ****IN DAYS.

I'LL RUN YOU TILL YOU CAN'T EAT SUPPER."

2) And I guarantee you this happened whether you want to believe it or not.

Could have been the coach.. the AD... some administrator or big booster...

At halftime someone in the Nebraska locker room stood up in front of everyone and said said something like "we are Nebraska ... they are Purdue. You lose this game, and you have no idea how much you're gonna hate life when you get back to campus."

But at Purdue it's feel good BS and coach not to lose coaching

Howard Schnellenberger did that as a coach. He was Coach Brohm's mentor. I actually think to some degree players are being held accountable. Look no further than our QB's. They have received some serious butt chewings on the sidelines.

 

[nat100]

These players need to be coached up on better technique in my opinion. They are young and have better athleticism than the average 19-20 year old. Rather than punish them, get them out on the field and teach them.

At a certain point, a player just has bad hands. Coaching them up works on routes, timing, etc. Not so much if they have butter fingers.

 

[TC4THREE]

At a certain point, a player just has bad hands. Coaching them up works on routes, timing, etc. Not so much if they have butter fingers.

This. I have never played WR at the BCS level but catching a pass that hits you in the hands seems like more of a natural ability rather than a learned skill.

 

[Inspector100]

These players need to be coached up on better technique in my opinion. They are young and have better athleticism than the average 19-20 year old. Rather than punish them, get them out on the field and teach them.

That is exactly what is happening. Unfortunately, the players have not been able to obtain positive results. I remember during Colletto's tenure, our receivers were droping passes. That continued a little when Tiller took over, but his staff had success fixing the problem, to a degree. The 1997 team still dropped passes, even in the Alamo Bowl. But that didn't happen much in 1998. The passing game moved towards maturity and we beat some great teams that year. Issac Jones comes to mind. He dropped some ball in the 1997 Alamo Bowl, but made all the great catches in the 1998 game. Bless his development as that game capped a great season.

 

[stout1]

This. I have never played WR at the BCS level but catching a pass that hits you in the hands seems like more of a natural ability rather than a learned skill.

I would agree that you can either catch or you can’t. If you can there are things to be taught about catching technique that will increase the margin of error.

 

[PaBoiler78]

Who do you replace them with? There is nothing behind them.

hey Nat, in regards to replacements, what has happened to Wegher or Franklin. One safe pass I wish we would use is that "Zig" route that Vinny used to make a living on. Put a guy on the slot , catches an easy pass for 4 yards w/ the potential for turning up field for a longer gain.

 

[nat100]

hey Nat, in regards to replacements, what has happened to Wegher or Franklin. One safe pass I wish we would use is that "Zig" route that Vinny used to make a living on. Put a guy on the slot , catches an easy pass for 4 yards w/ the potential for turning up field for a longer gain.

No idea. I was never sold on either. My guess is they never made a move in camp.

 

[PaBoiler78]

No idea. I was never sold on either. My guess is they never made a move in camp.

I thought Wegher should have shirted last year so maybe he's doing it this year. Has Josh Hayes played at all this year?

 

[FirstDownB]

hey Nat, in regards to replacements, what has happened to Wegher or Franklin. One safe pass I wish we would use is that "Zig" route that Vinny used to make a living on. Put a guy on the slot , catches an easy pass for 4 yards w/ the potential for turning up field for a longer gain.

Ben Franklin is working on inventing a new glove to help our receivers catch the ball better. Operation hand paddle.

 

[nat100]

I thought Wegher should have shirted last year so maybe he's doing it this year. Has Josh Hayes played at all this year?

No idea. He may be shirting too. Probably needed it.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

two things ... and realize I'm delving into the dirty part of college football that we all now exists.

1) at a power program McCann and ever receiver who was like "oh shucks, dropped another wide open bomb that Taylor stubblefield's grandma could catch sleeping in her rocking chair" would be running until they puked this week ... and then running some more while someone said "wanna drop passes.. this is what happens."

"YOU DONT COME OUT TO PLAY MONDAY NIGHT YOU ARENT GONNA BELIEVE THE NEXT FOUR ****IN DAYS.

I'LL RUN YOU TILL YOU CAN'T EAT SUPPER."

2) And I guarantee you this happened whether you want to believe it or not.

Could have been the coach.. the AD... some administrator or big booster...

At halftime someone in the Nebraska locker room stood up in front of everyone and said said something like "we are Nebraska ... they are Purdue. You lose this game, and you have no idea how much you're gonna hate life when you get back to campus."

But at Purdue it's feel good BS and coach not to lose coaching

First off, running as punishment is somewhat of an antiquated idea. The psyche of the modern athlete is much different than it was 10-20 years ago. These guys need to be coddled more- it is a generational thing.

Secondly, there is literally NO ONE better. So you can m-f them, scream at them, "run til they puke," but at the end of the day, there is no one to replace them.

 

[BoiledSteel]

Secondly, there is literally NO ONE better. So you can m-f them, scream at them, "run til they puke," but at the end of the day, there is no one to replace them.

People seem to be really lost on your second point here. It's coach's first season for crying out loud.

 

[GS Thomas]

"I'LL RUN YOU TILL YOU CAN'T EAT SUPPER."

Funny. Not what he says in that clip (...til you can't even suffer) but funny.

 

[snowsquirrel11]

First off, running as punishment is somewhat of an antiquated idea. The psyche of the modern athlete is much different than it was 10-20 years ago. These guys need to be coddled more- it is a generational thing.

Secondly, there is literally NO ONE better. So you can m-f them, scream at them, "run til they puke," but at the end of the day, there is no one to replace them.

The latter part of your post has much more truth to it than the former.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Wasn't it reggie wayne's dad who used to throw rocks at him to make him learn how to use his hands to catch? We could try that. lol

 

[FirstDownB]

Wasn't it reggie wayne's dad who used to throw rocks at him to make him learn how to use his hands to catch? We could try that. lol

 

[BoilermakerD]

Thinking about this further, if someone did recite such a speech in Nebraska's locker room at halftime, it certainly didn't light a fire under them in the 3rd quarter. They didn't score a touchdown until the 4th quarter.

Go watch the first drive of the third quarter ... they came out with a lot of desperation.

Again, I want to be clear ... do I like it? No. is that how it's done? Yes. And maybe it's as simple as they all get to drive nice cars around and those are taken away after a loss like this... who knows. But that is how it happens

 

[BoilermakerD]

"I'LL RUN YOU TILL YOU CAN'T EAT SUPPER."

Funny. Not what he says in that clip (...til you can't even suffer) but funny.

What it sounded like to me... it's a very grainy audio lol

 

[BoilermakerD]

First off, running as punishment is somewhat of an antiquated idea. The psyche of the modern athlete is much different than it was 10-20 years ago. These guys need to be coddled more- it is a generational thing.

Secondly, there is literally NO ONE better. So you can m-f them, scream at them, "run til they puke," but at the end of the day, there is no one to replace them.

So let me get this straight.. and I'm not saying Alabama doesn't just $85,000 backpack their way to athletes we just won't get... of course that's why they are better..

But do you think any receiver they have is going to drop a pass like #7 and not run or endure something that makes the other guys look at each other like "I don't want that to be me."

I rewatched the game and I couldn't help but think about the receiver from Mississippi state who does all those one handed catches out of the machine. If any of these guys were putting in 40% of what he is I bet more than half of those drops are gone.

I'm still a believer in what they are doing here... but I'll tell you this. They lose to Illinois and it won't matter if those who are vocal now don't say a word. Cause everyone will be yelling.

To the last part, I don't believe these guys are no good. If you have no talent (relatively speaking) you end up at eastern Illinois (and not cause you got in trouble elsewhere) or Indiana state. If these guys ran like mahoungu but were only 5'5" and making drops like this fine...

Don't think they need to be replaced. I think players get better to the extent of their ability when they are motivated by fear of something unpleasant yet not extreme ... I.e. Lots of running while other guys are practicing ... and, when what they tell themselves is "that guy over there running cause he dropped a wide open bomb... don't wanna be that guy."

I really don't think you need to MF anybody. You simply say "hey... this type of practice is for performers ... and this type is for guys who don't look the ball in/catch the ball with their HANDS not their chest... when they have a guy beat by 3 steps

 

[Bippus33]

Howard Schnellenberger did that as a coach. He was Coach Brohm's mentor. I actually think to some degree players are being held accountable. Look no further than our QB's. They have received some serious butt chewings on the sidelines.

But in this day of coddling......The atmosphere on Purdue`s sideline is much different than in the past. That is why i feel that if you are evaluating the Purdue Program purely on wins and losses you are missing out on the work that is making us competitive.
I have not seen a defensive player yet this year that has celebrated making a tackle after a long kick return.....I am seeing players that are being held accountable immediately when they return to the bench..... I`m seeing coaches also being held accountable by JB. Changes that I feel that have made us better but not complete...

 

[BoilermakerD]

But in this day of coddling......The atmosphere on Purdue`s sideline is much different than in the past. That is why i feel that if you are evaluating the Purdue Program purely on wins and losses you are missing out on the work that is making us competitive.
I have not seen a defensive player yet this year that has celebrated making a tackle after a long kick return.....I am seeing players that are being held accountable immediately when they return to the bench..... I`m seeing coaches also being held accountable by JB. Changes that I feel that have made us better but not complete...

I made my original post without observing the 24 hour rule. I think culture is headed up ...

 

[StickPurdue]

Wasn't it reggie wayne's dad who used to throw rocks at him to make him learn how to use his hands to catch? We could try that. lol

Jerry Rice learned by catching bricks.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

So let me get this straight.. and I'm not saying Alabama doesn't just $85,000 backpack their way to athletes we just won't get... of course that's why they are better..

But do you think any receiver they have is going to drop a pass like #7 and not run or endure something that makes the other guys look at each other like "I don't want that to be me."

If Alabama has a guy who drops passes, I think they just look to the next Parade All-American and plug him in. We have no one else to plug in.

 

[Bippus33]

I made my original post without observing the 24 hour rule. I think culture is headed up ...

And wow....DB plays a clean game and he plays the whole game...imagine that......

 

[BoilermakerD]

And wow....DB plays a clean game and he plays the whole game...imagine that......

I was impressed with his lack of mistakes

 

[pboiler18]

My issue is...do we not own a Juggs machine? Or 8?

I spent a week on one in high school and it was amazing how much better I was after spending a week catching 1000 balls.

A lot of what I’m seeing are fundamental errors. Guys trying to catch with fingers, palms and bodies. My biggest disappointment is that Brohm hasn’t adjusted and had Jones and Knox run more WR routes. We know those guys can catch!

 

[New Pal Boiler]

My issue is...do we not own a Juggs machine? Or 8?

I spent a week on one in high school and it was amazing how much better I was after spending a week catching 1000 balls.

A lot of what I’m seeing are fundamental errors. Guys trying to catch with fingers, palms and bodies. My biggest disappointment is that Brohm hasn’t adjusted and had Jones and Knox run more WR routes. We know those guys can catch!

Darius Heyward-Bey has spent the last 10 years on a Juggs machine and he still can’t catch a football to save his life.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

two things ... and realize I'm delving into the dirty part of college football that we all now exists.

1) at a power program McCann and ever receiver who was like "oh shucks, dropped another wide open bomb that Taylor stubblefield's grandma could catch sleeping in her rocking chair" would be running until they puked this week ... and then running some more while someone said "wanna drop passes.. this is what happens."

"YOU DONT COME OUT TO PLAY MONDAY NIGHT YOU ARENT GONNA BELIEVE THE NEXT FOUR ****IN DAYS.

I'LL RUN YOU TILL YOU CAN'T EAT SUPPER."

2) And I guarantee you this happened whether you want to believe it or not.

Could have been the coach.. the AD... some administrator or big booster...

At halftime someone in the Nebraska locker room stood up in front of everyone and said said something like "we are Nebraska ... they are Purdue. You lose this game, and you have no idea how much you're gonna hate life when you get back to campus."

But at Purdue it's feel good BS and coach not to lose coaching

You want to hire Bobby Knight? Bo Pelini treats his players like that, and he’s stuck at Youngstown State now.

 

[FirstDownB]

My issue is...do we not own a Juggs machine? Or 8?

I spent a week on one in high school and it was amazing how much better I was after spending a week catching 1000 balls.

A lot of what I’m seeing are fundamental errors. Guys trying to catch with fingers, palms and bodies. My biggest disappointment is that Brohm hasn’t adjusted and had Jones and Knox run more WR routes. We know those guys can catch!

There was an article on the front page about how they not only use the Jugs machine, they have been using it more lately. Personally, I think it is in their heads at this point. We weren't seeing drops like these early in the season. These guys just need to forget the past few games and go back to that happy place in their minds and trust their muscle memory. I'm not a great putter to begin with, but the more I stand over a putt and stare at it, think about it, the more I just know I'm going to miss it.

 

[PaBoiler78]

My issue is...do we not own a Juggs machine? Or 8?

I spent a week on one in high school and it was amazing how much better I was after spending a week catching 1000 balls.

A lot of what I’m seeing are fundamental errors. Guys trying to catch with fingers, palms and bodies. My biggest disappointment is that Brohm hasn’t adjusted and had Jones and Knox run more WR routes. We know those guys can catch!

we do need to throw to the backs more, NW has an iffy OL and that's been one thing they have been doing to take some heat off the OL.

 

[tweener8292]

Wit

You want to hire Bobby Knight? Bo Pelini treats his players like that, and he’s stuck at Youngstown State now.

With former Ohio State coach Jim Tressell as the president.

 

[Michael6969]

Watch Coach Brohm during interview on thursday at the 3:30 mark. Consequences for drops, this during practices!