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Play small, lose Big

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Playing four bigs in the first half – Kaufman-Renn, Furst, Burgess and Berg -- Purdue limited Sparty to 48-percent shooting and held even on the boards to keep the lead for over 11 minutes and close within 33-31 at intermission.

Playing one big for most of the second half, Purdue gave up 68-percent shooting while getting turned over 6-3 and outrebounded 12-10, quickly getting buried by 13 points and never again getting closer than four in a 75-66 embarrassment for a third straight loss.

It doesn’t take a genius to know basketball is a big man’s game – in this league, 7-footers can handle -- yet we see Purdue always resting hopes on a fairytale, this year’s being “Slow Drive and the Four Dwarfs.” And now the Big Ten’s preseason favorites are dead. Hi ho no mo.
 
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Imagine this team with DJ and Catchings. This year could have been totally different. If, we would have had both next year. Probably fighting for a NC.
 
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Imagine this team with DJ and Catchings. This year could have been totally different. If, we would have had both next year. Probably fighting for a NC.
Losing catchings was a huge loss because he filled a niche we don’t have. And the timing of his decision killed us
 
What exactly have you seen from him at BYU that you think he would Have "filled" for us? Please be specific.
Probably starter minutes. If not, at least an offensive threat off the bench. He's a freshman avg. more than Myles and Cam and they are supposed to be contributing big for us.
 
Catchings and Jacobsen didn’t play in the first half today when we took a 37-25 lead. Kaufman-Renn, Furst, Berg and Burgess all did, with Furst’s re-entry bringing an immediate 12-0 run to flip the lead from down 5 to up 7. In the second half, Berg and Burgess didn’t play, while Kaufman-Renn and Furst were usually stuck solo with four smalls, and we got outscored 48-18 up to the last minute. Two different approaches, two different results, same game. Fourth straight loss, each on second-half collapses using the “small” lineup.
 
Probably starter minutes. If not, at least an offensive threat off the bench. He's a freshman avg. more than Myles and Cam and they are supposed to be contributing big for us.
Serious question: How many BYU games have you watched? You quote his points average and yet with that his minutes have reduced to the point he barely played in a blowout of Kansas. He's getting fewer minutes as the season has gone on. When I've watched them play, he camps out in the corner and once in a while get the ball and shoots it. I just don't see what he would have brought to us. But maybe I'm wrong.
 
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Catchings would have offered Purdue a small forward to play the 3 rather than using a guard to play that position.

And to be honest, I haven’t seen anything from Catchings in his play at BYU that would justify my belief in him.

I do know Purdue would have been a lot better if he had never signed and allowed us to recruit another forward from high school or the portal. By quitting when he did, he left Painter no opportunity to recruit anybody to fill the role he had projected Catchings to play.

There are many here who claim Catchings was and is a cancer. There are many others who judge him based only by the stats he is putting up at BYU. Gillis isn’t putting up great stats either, but he fills a role at Duke.

While I liked Catchings, I’m not sure what role he would have filled at Purdue. And maybe that’s why he left. I personally saw Catchings as a nice tall 3. I thought he could fill that position and be a nice matchup against the other 3s that are forwards. I could see him as a 4, but I could never see Tkr as a center. So if he played the 4. It would either be as a backup or Purdue would have played small ball with Tkr at center and Catchings at the 4. And to be honest, I don’t see playing small as a winning solution.

So I saw Catchings as a player without a position at Purdue. I thought when painter was recruiting Catchings he would change his philosophy About using 3 guards . But I was wrong. Painter still wanted to play 3 guards. That probably led Catchings to wonder what position do I play? So he left.

As for Catchings playing at byu, he had zero practice with that team before they started playing. He spent the summer practicing at Purdue. I didn’t choose BYU, Catchings did. I’m not sure if it was a good fit. I don’t even know who was starting at BYU when Catchings arrived. Did BYU have a hole that Catchings could fill? I don’t know. I have noticed he put up some nice stats when given a chance to play 20+ minutes. I can’t tell you if he’s playing the 3 or the 4 at BYU. I also can’t tell you if byu plays a 3 guard offense or if they play a zone defense. All I really know is that their entire coaching staff has connections to the NBA and 18 year old recruits like that.

It looks as if Catchings made a bad decision and he now faces a wasted year at BYU. I’m unsure if his season would have been better this year if he stayed at Purdue. If Jacobsen wasn’t injured, Would Catchings have started at the three instead of Cox? Maybe, maybe not.

My lone closing thought is Purdue has too many guards. We will have a red shirt guard to add to the mix next year and we add west and ertel the following year. I believe we desperately need to add some height, size and talent to the three position.

A couple of years ago if you read my posts when we were recruiting first and tkr, I wanted Furst to play the 4 and Tkr to play the 3. I really hate the concept of the 3 guard system. I’d rather have a forward who can shoot the 3 at the 3 position than a guard. I believe a guard at the 3 results in unfavorable mismatches.



I also believe Smith is not tired. He’s just not able to succeed against taller more physical guards.
 
Catchings would have offered Purdue a small forward to play the 3 rather than using a guard to play that position.

And to be honest, I haven’t seen anything from Catchings in his play at BYU that would justify my belief in him.

I do know Purdue would have been a lot better if he had never signed and allowed us to recruit another forward from high school or the portal. By quitting when he did, he left Painter no opportunity to recruit anybody to fill the role he had projected Catchings to play.

There are many here who claim Catchings was and is a cancer. There are many others who judge him based only by the stats he is putting up at BYU. Gillis isn’t putting up great stats either, but he fills a role at Duke.

While I liked Catchings, I’m not sure what role he would have filled at Purdue. And maybe that’s why he left. I personally saw Catchings as a nice tall 3. I thought he could fill that position and be a nice matchup against the other 3s that are forwards. I could see him as a 4, but I could never see Tkr as a center. So if he played the 4. It would either be as a backup or Purdue would have played small ball with Tkr at center and Catchings at the 4. And to be honest, I don’t see playing small as a winning solution.

So I saw Catchings as a player without a position at Purdue. I thought when painter was recruiting Catchings he would change his philosophy About using 3 guards . But I was wrong. Painter still wanted to play 3 guards. That probably led Catchings to wonder what position do I play? So he left.

As for Catchings playing at byu, he had zero practice with that team before they started playing. He spent the summer practicing at Purdue. I didn’t choose BYU, Catchings did. I’m not sure if it was a good fit. I don’t even know who was starting at BYU when Catchings arrived. Did BYU have a hole that Catchings could fill? I don’t know. I have noticed he put up some nice stats when given a chance to play 20+ minutes. I can’t tell you if he’s playing the 3 or the 4 at BYU. I also can’t tell you if byu plays a 3 guard offense or if they play a zone defense. All I really know is that their entire coaching staff has connections to the NBA and 18 year old recruits like that.

It looks as if Catchings made a bad decision and he now faces a wasted year at BYU. I’m unsure if his season would have been better this year if he stayed at Purdue. If Jacobsen wasn’t injured, Would Catchings have started at the three instead of Cox? Maybe, maybe not.

My lone closing thought is Purdue has too many guards. We will have a red shirt guard to add to the mix next year and we add west and ertel the following year. I believe we desperately need to add some height, size and talent to the three position.

A couple of years ago if you read my posts when we were recruiting first and tkr, I wanted Furst to play the 4 and Tkr to play the 3. I really hate the concept of the 3 guard system. I’d rather have a forward who can shoot the 3 at the 3 position than a guard. I believe a guard at the 3 results in unfavorable mismatches.



I also believe Smith is not tired. He’s just not able to succeed against taller more physical guards.
He did not spend the summer practicing with Purdue. He was on campus for a hot second and then left then tried to come back. If anything he has shown Purdue dodged a bullet with him imo.
 
Serious question: How many BYU games have you watched? You quote his points average and yet with that his minutes have reduced to the point he barely played in a blowout of Kansas. He's getting fewer minutes as the season has gone on. When I've watched them play, he camps out in the corner and once in a while get the ball and shoots it. I just don't see what he would have brought to us. But maybe I'm wrong.
I just watched them beat Arizona (probably 4-5 games) He has a nice looking shot. I just think his offensive game would have saw minutes on the floor at 6'9".

We have underdeveloped 4's right now and we haven't seen much out of that position all year. I'm sorry, but we need help at that position severely or move TKR back to his rightful position and bring in bigger 3's along with DJ.
 
Common theme for the four-game meltdown with same personnel but different usage by halves …

Halftime Scores …
Purdue 37, Michigan 35
Purdue 37, Wisconsin 36
Michigan State 33, Purdue 31
Purdue 37, indinia 25

Second-Half Scoring …
Michigan 40 (32 in last 10 minutes), Purdue 36
Wisconsin 58, Purdue 47
Michigan State 42, Purdue 35
indinia 48, Purdue 21

Second-Half Shooting …
Purdue 47, Michigan 42
Wisconsin 72, Purdue 55
Michigan State 68, Purdue 50
indinia 64, Purdue 30

Purdue used three or all four of its bigs (6-9 or taller) in each first half against the consistently bigger opponents, led at halftime of each or close to it, then used mostly one big at a time in second half though foul troubles worsened from playing solo, leaving all lanes open to the basket, leading to yet another late runaway loss.

Second-half small ball lost the Big Ten, taking Purdue from first to sixth with four straight lookalike losses. Not that we hadn’t seen this four-guard short show before. Time to man up.
 
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