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PG Justin Coleman

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former 4 star recruit transferring from Bama, soph., ave 8pts / 3 assists per game.
 
Based on the incoming transfers in recent seasons, my guess would be that unless there's an absolute stud transfer (that has to sit out a season) showing interest in the Boilers, they are only recruiting immediately-eligible transfers.
 
Based on the incoming transfers in recent seasons, my guess would be that unless there's an absolute stud transfer (that has to sit out a season) showing interest in the Boilers, they are only recruiting immediately-eligible transfers.
I'd bring Spike into the fold , ask PJ to shirt, left w/ Spike and CE for next year. As I stated a couple o weeks ago, if KS leaves offer Bane or Chastain.
 
I'd bring Spike into the fold , ask PJ to shirt, left w/ Spike and CE for next year. As I stated a couple o weeks ago, if KS leaves offer Bane or Chastain.

No way PJ would redshirt. Spike has durability questions going into next year and Carsen hasn't played a single minute of college ball yet, let alone the fact that he didn't appear to be a true point guard in high school.
 
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No way PJ would redshirt. Spike has durability questions going into next year and Carsen hasn't played a single minute of college ball yet, let alone the fact that he didn't appear to be a true point guard in college.

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I agree about Albrecht being injury-prone, though. He had his biggest hoops moment(s) in the title game as a freshman but I think a more capable or skilled PG or guard in general can be found to become a Boilermaker at this point in time.
 
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To be honest, I have no problem with not allowing transfers within the conference.

I hear you, but this situation is a little unique because of his injuries and that he has graduated. No rule satisfies everyone or can be perfect, but I wouldn't mind one where there are no restrictions if the player has earned a degree AND the subject university will not be offering the player another year on scholarship......I think that's where the big backlash is coming from.
 
To be honest, I have no problem with not allowing transfers within the conference.

"If they were going to have a scholarship available" I would agree with you but since that was pulled AND the NCAA rules allow for a graduate transfer to immediately play they would not have a leg to stand on in a hearing or in court! By the way their starting QB from Iowa was immediately able to play this season for Michigan AFTER a hearing!
 
"If they were going to have a scholarship available" I would agree with you but since that was pulled AND the NCAA rules allow for a graduate transfer to immediately play they would not have a leg to stand on in a hearing or in court! By the way their starting QB from Iowa was immediately able to play this season for Michigan AFTER a hearing!

So if we wouldn't have allowed either transfer then everything is fine.
 
Sorry but there is NO comparison as it will remain CREANING if you push out a player with a scholarship if you have oversignred your scholarship allotment! The shoe fits Crean quite well and will follow him forever!
 
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Sorry but there is NO comparison as it will remain CREANING if you push out a player with a scholarship if you have oversignred your scholarship allotment! The shoe fits Crean quite well and will follow him forever!

Oh. Sorry. I was unaware of the over-signing criteria. I thought it was kicking a kid out because you recruited poorly.
 
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Oh. Sorry. I was unaware of the over-signing criteria. I thought it was kicking a kid out because you recruited poorly.
The over signing is the proof of a Creaning, i.e. Bobby C or Ron Patterson at IU. Painter has not shoved someone out when he was oversigned, though I think he would have if gary Harris had signed.

I don't consider the albrecht situation a true Creaning, because Beilein had no way of knowing last summer and fall that spike would get hurt during the season, and would require a 5th year.

But I do think the restrictions were completely absurd.
 
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Like I said before, you'd have to be an idiot to think either transfer was forced out.
KS certainly wasn't forced out. His talents simply could not be used by CMP's limited offense.

There are only two sets of idiots here. The first is the person who recruited Weatherford in the first place. The second is the group that thinks that he wasn't encouraged out.
 
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KS certainly wasn't forced out. His talents simply could not be used by CMP's limited offense.

There are only two sets of idiots here. The first is the person who recruited Weatherford in the first place. The second is the group that thinks that he wasn't encouraged out.
I'm not going to get into the name calling that is driving this board into the mud.

Define what you mean by "encouraged":

1. We need you to leave because you haven't developed as we had hoped and we have an opportunity to get better players.

2. Realistically we don't see you getting much, if any, meaningful playing time next year or perhaps ever.

#1 is forcing a kid out and basically Creaning.

#2 is a fair evaluation of where you see the player and letting him know, but not requiring or asking him to do anything.

Big difference between the 2. Which do you think CMP did?
 
KS certainly wasn't forced out. His talents simply could not be used by CMP's limited offense.

There are only two sets of idiots here. The first is the person who recruited Weatherford in the first place. The second is the group that thinks that he wasn't encouraged out.

Right because we desperately need that scholarship....

Get over it man. Painter is our coach and will be for a LONG time to come.
 
I'm not going to get into the name calling that is driving this board into the mud.

Define what you mean by "encouraged":

1. We need you to leave because you haven't developed as we had hoped and we have an opportunity to get better players.

2. Realistically we don't see you getting much, if any, meaningful playing time next year or perhaps ever.

#1 is forcing a kid out and basically Creaning.

#2 is a fair evaluation of where you see the player and letting him know, but not requiring or asking him to do anything.

Big difference between the 2. Which do you think CMP did?

Please tell me you're not serious. Crean and Painter do the same thing. Thinking it's different is being a homer. I actually have no issue with it on either account. There is too much pressure on coaches to win to sit on kids that are not any good. My issue with Painter is that he doesn't win.
 
Please tell me you're not serious. Crean and Painter do the same thing. Thinking it's different is being a homer. I actually have no issue with it on either account. There is too much pressure on coaches to win to sit on kids that are not any good. My issue with Painter is that he doesn't win.

Yea. Same thing when one of 15 players who are spoken for 13 scholarships transfers as one of 9. How incredibly moronic.

Get over it. Painter is here to stay!!
 
Yea. Same thing when one of 15 players who are spoken for 13 scholarships transfers as one of 9. How incredibly moronic.

Get over it. Painter is here to stay!!
You're actually right. Painter doing it makes no sense at all. :) Have a great Saturday! Oh, by the way, the Final Four is today. When we get rid of this regime, maybe we can experience that again.
 
You can't support your claims either my friend. And it's the 0-1 season that he's judged on.

Logic supports my claims. Moronic hatred backs you up. I like my side.

And you may judge him on one game but fortunately all of us aren't pouting, emotional fan boys with a bruised internet ego.
 
Logic supports my claims. Moronic hatred backs you up. I like my side.

And you may judge him on one game but fortunately all of us aren't pouting, emotional fan boys with a bruised internet ego.
I just have data. That makes me right. Scoreboard.
 
Please tell me you're not serious. Crean and Painter do the same thing. Thinking it's different is being a homer. I actually have no issue with it on either account. There is too much pressure on coaches to win to sit on kids that are not any good. My issue with Painter is that he doesn't win.
Just stop Nashville. Yes, Crean and Painter both coach basketball teams. That's about where the similarity ends. When Crean over commits and must take a scholarship away from a kid that has been in the program, that's Creaning. That is not what has taken place with Stephens or Weatherford. If you can't see or comprehend the difference, you'd be better to stop posting. It will say more about your intelligence than you might wish to display.
 
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Just stop Nashville. Yes, Crean and Painter both coach basketball teams. That's about where the similarity ends. When Crean over commits and must take a scholarship away from a kid that has been in the program, that's Creaning. That is not what has taken place with Stevens or Weatherford. If you can't see or comprehend the difference, you'd be better to stop posting. It will say more about your intelligence than you might wish to display.
You're reading comp is poor. Mathboy...oh I get it now. It's cool. You and the guy who named himself after a young boy he fell n love with one star-crossed evening will both share my opinion in the next couple years. You're just slow. I forgive you.
 
You're reading comp is poor. Mathboy...oh I get it now. It's cool. You and the guy who named himself after a young boy he fell n love with one star-crossed evening will both share my opinion in the next couple years. You're just slow. I forgive you.

You're just wrong.
 
Please tell me you're not serious. Crean and Painter do the same thing. Thinking it's different is being a homer. I actually have no issue with it on either account. There is too much pressure on coaches to win to sit on kids that are not any good. My issue with Painter is that he doesn't win.
Yes, I'm serious. I don't think they are the same and I really don't think IU fans would think they are the same. CMP has even told KS he can come back if the grass in fact isn't greener. When did Crean ever do that???

I'm not a "homer". I have been very critical of both the team, administration and CMP when I think it's justified. This isn't one of those times.
 
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Just stop Nashville. Yes, Crean and Painter both coach basketball teams. That's about where the similarity ends. When Crean over commits and must take a scholarship away from a kid that has been in the program, that's Creaning. That is not what has taken place with Stevens or Weatherford. If you can't see or comprehend the difference, you'd be better to stop posting. It will say more about your intelligence than you might wish to display.
You're reading comp is poor. Mathboy...oh I get it now. It's cool. You and the guy who named himself after a young boy he fell n love with one star-crossed evening will both share my opinion in the next couple years. You're just slow. I forgive you.

My reading comprehension is just fine. I just think it is a shame that you consistently misuse the term "Creanng" and somehow think it applies to the Stephens situation. No need to demonstrate more of your ignorance by calling names and posting insults.
 
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My reading comprehension is just fine. I just think it is a shame that you consistently misuse the term "Creanng" and somehow think it applies to the Stevens situation. No need to demonstrate more of your ignorance by calling names and posting insults.
When did I ever say it applied to Stephens? KS Creaned Painter.
 
I love the idea that the motion offense is "limited". As if the point guard drive and kick offense that everyone using is so dynamic. The limitation at Purdue was the lack of a slasher.
A. We do have 2 slashers. B. You can't slash when then whole D is packed into the lane waiting for a post feed. C. We don't run the motion offense. D. The limitation of Purdue was PG and coach (I've covered this 100 times, please try to keep up)
 
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Mathboy - good post but your misspelling of Stephens' name is driving me crazy.

Nashville - even if painter does end up creaning someone in the future, that does not prove you right in this case. They are clearly different situations.
 
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