Painters halftime thoughts

[boilersinthehood]

OK guys, we're up by two to a top ten team. Don't worry, my inability to adjust to ever changing defenses, strong three pointing teams, and teams that have hurt players; coupled with your inability to hold onto the basketball will guarantee we will always lose in the second half; especially in front of an away crowd.
Don't worry, Rutgers, I think, is on the home schedule.
Gimme a freaking break.

 

[ahhculdee]

Painter is a horrible coach. Can't win in the clutch.

 

[Boiler8285]

I think horrible is a little harsh. He is mediocre. He has his system and will never change. Probably leave as all time winningest coach at Purdue after retiring in 20 years. Average about 15 wins a year. Sweet 16 is his top end. Same story as Tiller in football.

 

[BoilerFan#35]

I think horrible is a little harsh. He is mediocre. He has his system and will never change. Probably leave as all time winningest coach at Purdue after retiring in 20 years. Average about 15 wins a year. Sweet 16 is his top end. Same story as Tiller in football.

Not a fan but about 20 wins a year

 

[Beeazlebub]

Some of you dopes are insufferable after a loss. Get a grip.

 

[cprh9u]

Some of you dopes are insufferable after a loss. Get a grip.

Rah rah cheerleaders of CMP are the most insufferable. Even in our most talented, deepest year we can't beat good teams. We've lost our 3 most challenging games and one really bad one to the Illini. Boy, can't wait to see what Painter comes up with vs. IU, MSU and Maryland.

 

[Boiler_95]

Some of you dopes are insufferable after a loss. Get a grip.

Here's a number for you. 17 Points. In our (3) BigT losses we have been outscored an average of 17 points in the 2nd half (we were either up or tied in all). Swanigan couldn't guard Uthoff in the first half. Why would you stick with in the 2nd? If we cover Uthoff in the 1st, we are up 10-15 at half. Swanigan is a heck of a ball player, but he doesn't have the lateral quickness to stay with Uthoff. Painter should have adjusted his personell. Edwards did a decent job on him at the end. When he wasn't in, Davis should have been on him.

Pathetic game plan, plain and simple. Take the Rutgers game away, this team hasn't performed well in the Big.

 

[BBG]

Some of you dopes are insufferable after a loss. Get a grip.

This. Many times over.

 

[BBG]

Rah rah cheerleaders of CMP are the most insufferable. Even in our most talented, deepest year we can't beat good teams. We've lost our 3 most challenging games and one really bad one to the Illini. Boy, can't wait to see what Painter comes up with vs. IU, MSU and Maryland.

You armchair experts are the worst. You think you have some insurmountable amount of knowledge based on your eye and all the training you receive while playing video games. Fact of the matter is you don't know 1 tenth of what you try to force down other people's throat.

You have no clue how Painter will turn out. None. Zero. Nada. You can rip on the poster that called you out all you want, but he has you pegged. We can't beat good teams? Pitt would disagree.

Some of you just can't handle losing.

 

[NashvilleBoiler]

You armchair experts are the worst. You think you have some insurmountable amount of knowledge based on your eye and all the training you receive while playing video games. Fact of the matter is you don't know 1 tenth of what you try to force down other people's throat.

You have no clue how Painter will turn out. None. Zero. Nada. You can rip on the poster that called you out all you want, but he has you pegged. We can't beat good teams? Pitt would disagree.

Wait...wait...wait...don't you rip CDH all the time?

 

[B-Westy]

What coach could we hire right now & do anything better than what Painter has done. I don't think anyone enjoys mediocrity but you people aren't realistic. Who is going to come in here and make Purdue a perennial national title contender & finish top 2 in the B1G for 20 years to come? If there is someone then bring him on in, but there just ISN'T. So I don't get what you want here?

 

[BBG]

Wait...wait...wait...don't you rip CDH all the time?

Not even remotely the same comparison. One coach has never had success and the other has their team off to the best start in 28 years.

That is like comparing apples to bulldozers.

 

[NashvilleBoiler]

Not even remotely the same comparison. One coach has never had success and the other has their team off to the best start in 28 years.

That is like comparing apples to bulldozers.

Just referencing the armchairs you mentioned. It's all really relative. You're happy with the B1G Championship and the Sweet 16 - CMP is fine for you. Morgan is happy with 1-11 - CDH is fine for him.

 

[BoilerFan#35]

What coach could we hire right now & do anything better than what Painter has done. I don't think anyone enjoys mediocrity but you people aren't realistic. Who is going to come in here and make Purdue a perennial national title contender & finish top 2 in the B1G for 20 years to come? If there is someone then bring him on in, but there just ISN'T. So I don't get what you want here?

Cuonzo is doing a pretty good job at Cal. He's an elite recruiter and hes turning Cals program around

 

[NashvilleBoiler]

What coach could we hire right now & do anything better than what Painter has done. I don't think anyone enjoys mediocrity but you people aren't realistic. Who is going to come in here and make Purdue a perennial national title contender & finish top 2 in the B1G for 20 years to come? If there is someone then bring him on in, but there just ISN'T. So I don't get what you want here?

The Purdue establishment has trained this one well. Go in peace with fulfilled, managed expectations.

 

[B-Westy]

The Purdue establishment has trained this one well. Go in peace with fulfilled, managed expectations.

Tell me who we could hire right now that would do a better job than Painter. All I'm saying. If we can do better then lets bring him in.

 

[Bigohh]

You armchair experts are the worst. You think you have some insurmountable amount of knowledge based on your eye and all the training you receive while playing video games. Fact of the matter is you don't know 1 tenth of what you try to force down other people's throat.

You have no clue how Painter will turn out. None. Zero. Nada. You can rip on the poster that called you out all you want, but he has you pegged. We can't beat good teams? Pitt would disagree.

Some of you just can't handle losing.

I can handle it fine but certainly DO NOT LIKE IT.

 

[scolytus]

Painter is a horrible coach. Can't win in the clutch.

Painters game plan: Move! Move! Move!

 

[SYoumans]

The Purdue establishment has trained this one well. Go in peace with fulfilled, managed expectations.

Exactly. If only we had some built-in advantages like great facilities, competitive top-end pay, tradition of success, and a wealth of locally-grown talent, then maybe we could start expecting more from our head basketball coach. Oh, wait . . .

 

[Ross Mackey]

Exactly. If only we had some built-in advantages like great facilities, competitive top-end pay, tradition of success, and a wealth of locally-grown talent, then maybe we could start expecting more from our head basketball coach. Oh, wait . . .

Isn't Painter a significant contributor to that "tradition of success" you so readily acknowledge as a built in advantage??
I'm curious as to how many of the after-every-loss lynch mob were shrieking at Cross, Burke, Cordova, and the BOT for their incompetence when Painter was all but out the door to Mizzou...

 

[NashvilleBoiler]

Tell me who we could hire right now that would do a better job than Painter. All I'm saying. If we can do better then lets bring him in.

Isn't Painter a significant contributor to that "tradition of success" you so readily acknowledge as a built in advantage??
I'm curious as to how many of the after-every-loss lynch mob were shrieking at Cross, Burke, Cordova, and the BOT for their incompetence when Painter was all but out the door to Mizzou...

Not me. I was excited to see us get some new blood after CM was not as option. And, I'm not sure what CMP has contributed to the Purdue name. No one cares about the B1G Championship other than Purdue fans! We've been trained to care, because it's all we've got. Sweet 16 should be table stakes at this school.

 

[Ross Mackey]

Not me. I was excited to see us get some new blood after CM was not as option. And, I'm not sure what CMP has contributed to the Purdue name. No one cares about the B1G Championship other than Purdue fans! We've been trained to care, because it's all we've got. Sweet 16 should be table stakes at this school.

By that logic, Purdue had no business naming the Mackey floor for Gene Keady...I mean , who cares about B1G titles, and a couple of flameouts in the Elite Eight?

 

[DG10]

You armchair experts are the worst. You think you have some insurmountable amount of knowledge based on your eye and all the training you receive while playing video games. Fact of the matter is you don't know 1 tenth of what you try to force down other people's throat.

You have no clue how Painter will turn out. None. Zero. Nada. You can rip on the poster that called you out all you want, but he has you pegged. We can't beat good teams? Pitt would disagree.

Some of you just can't handle losing.

You mean the Pitt game where Purdue blew an 18-point lead with absolutely no adjustment along the way by its Head Coach who watched with his typical deer-in-the-headlighs exasperated look while it wasted away...never mind the fact that Pitt is not exactly a premier team or that it happened nearly two months ago?

 

[NashvilleBoiler]

By that logic, Purdue had no business naming the Mackey floor for Gene Keady...I mean , who cares about B1G titles, and a couple of flameouts in the Elite Eight?

Yes.

 

[B-Westy]

Not me. I was excited to see us get some new blood after CM was not as option. And, I'm not sure what CMP has contributed to the Purdue name. No one cares about the B1G Championship other than Purdue fans! We've been trained to care, because it's all we've got. Sweet 16 should be table stakes at this school.

Still haven't answered my question. Who could come to Purdue and make us a national title contender in the next 5 years?

 

[B-Westy]

Cuonzo is doing a pretty good job at Cal. He's an elite recruiter and hes turning Cals program around

Mmm yes I'm sure you guys would be ready to praise Zo after that 3 game losing streak to Stanford, Oregon St, and Oregon just a couple weeks ago. Wow impressive stuff!

 

[NashvilleBoiler]

Still haven't answered my question. Who could come to Purdue and make us a national title contender in the next 5 years?

When did I say we'd be a national title contender? I didn'

Still haven't answered my question. Who could come to Purdue and make us a national title contender in the next 5 years?

Gregg Marshall. There. Now make some excuses.

 

[SDBoiler1]

When did I say we'd be a national title contender? I didn'


Gregg Marshall. There. Now make some excuses.

WSU has (5) losses this year already. Fire Marshall too? His losses @ Tulsa, vs. USC, vs. Alabama, and his 23 point loss to Iowa (84-61) are really impressive. He also lost to a crappy Seton Hall team.

 

[NashvilleBoiler]

WSU has (5) losses this year already. Fire Marshall too? His losses @ Tulsa, vs. USC, vs. Alabama, and his 23 point loss to Iowa (84-61) are really impressive. He also lost to a crappy Seton Hall team.

Talk about comparing apples to bulldozers

 

[PBoiler84]

I wonder if Painter has pre-determined substitutions in his head for each game. Sub players A, B, C at the under 12:00 timeout, then sub player D at the 8:00 mark, etc. regardless of the flow of the game. The reason I think this is he subs players when we have positive momentum and then it's dead. I also question how he is willing to play the guys who constantly turn the ball over. Keady wouldn't tolerate 15 or more turnovers per game.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Talk about comparing apples to bulldozers

Non sequitur.

You make it sound like Marshall is some kind of coaching genius. He's a good coach, no question, but you honestly think Marshall would have Purdue better than 17-4 right now? He lost to the same Iowa team we did, only WSU lost by 23. We lost by 7 and 12, I believe.

 

[NashvilleBoiler]

Non sequitur.

You make it sound like Marshall is some kind of coaching genius. He's a good coach, no question, but you honestly think Marshall would have Purdue better than 17-4 right now? He lost to the same Iowa team we did, only WSU lost by 23. We lost by 7 and 12, I believe.

He took WSU to the Final Four. He's a genius compared to Painter.

 

[yiana]

Non sequitur.

You make it sound like Marshall is some kind of coaching genius. He's a good coach, no question, but you honestly think Marshall would have Purdue better than 17-4 right now? He lost to the same Iowa team we did, only WSU lost by 23. We lost by 7 and 12, I believe.

Witchita was without 4 of their top 6 at that point.

 

[BuilderBob6]

I wonder if Painter has pre-determined substitutions in his head for each game. Sub players A, B, C at the under 12:00 timeout, then sub player D at the 8:00 mark, etc. regardless of the flow of the game. The reason I think this is he subs players when we have positive momentum and then it's dead. I also question how he is willing to play the guys who constantly turn the ball over. Keady wouldn't tolerate 15 or more turnovers per game.

I think he flips a coin every few minutes and subs that way. Jeesh
Have you ever paid attention to the minutes a player has been on the court when considering substitutions? If you did, you'd notice that they are usually pulled because they are tired......or because they are turning the ball over. Haas got pulled the other night after about a minute because of a screw up.

 

[Ross Mackey]

Yes.

Hmmm... Ok so we have Matt Painter, who's done nothing to contribute to the Purdue "name"', preceded by Keady, who also did nothing to contribute to the Purdue name....

As a result, the "tradition of success" Purdue can showcase to a hotshot "genius" coach (from whatever orchard you go to, to find the tree those guys grow on) now consists essentially, to daguerreotypes of Wooden doing the Charleston, and grainy home movies of George King camped on the front stoop of Rick Mount's house in Lebanon....

Oh and Lee Rose, who got us a Final Four, and then added to our reputation by vanishing right afterwards.

 

[NashvilleBoiler]

Hmmm... Ok so we have Matt Painter, who's done nothing to contribute to the Purdue "name"', preceded by Keady, who also did nothing to contribute to the Purdue name....

As a result, the "tradition of success" Purdue can showcase to a hotshot "genius" coach (from whatever orchard you go to, to find the tree those guys grow on) now consists essentially, to daguerreotypes of Wooden doing the Charleston, and grainy home movies of George King camped on the front stoop of Rick Mount's house in Lebanon....

Oh and Lee Rose, who got us a Final Four, and then added to our reputation by vanishing right afterwards.

If I'm selling, I would lean less on our tradition and more on our potential. Keady tried to take it to the next level by cheating and failed. He then simply quit recruiting. Painter just can't recruit consitently due (I believe) to his attitude and lack of top-tier coaching ability. There is no reason, in Indiana, a school with our resources and support can't succeed at a much higher level in basketball.

Football...totally different story.

 

[BoilerDeac]

Non sequitur.

You make it sound like Marshall is some kind of coaching genius. He's a good coach, no question, but you honestly think Marshall would have Purdue better than 17-4 right now? He lost to the same Iowa team we did, only WSU lost by 23. We lost by 7 and 12, I believe.

Gregg Marshall coaches WICHITA FRICKIN' STATE.

The talent he should be able to recruit should not come close to the overall talent CMP should be able to recruit at Purdue, yet he made a final 4...

 

[Ross Mackey]

If I'm selling, I would lean less on our tradition and more on our potential. Keady tried to take it to the next level by cheating and failed. He then simply quit recruiting. Painter just can't recruit consitently due (I believe) to his attitude and lack of top-tier coaching ability. There is no reason, in Indiana, a school with our resources and support can't succeed at a much higher level in basketball.

Football...totally different story.

Ok. Fair enough, I guess... Except that you are totally off base in saying that Keady " tried to cheat ".

I realize in reviewing the thread that you were not the one touting Purdue's legacy of success....
I believe Keady's and Painter's accomplishments (while not at the ultimate level I'd have preferred) are nevertheless noteworthy and are worth celebrating, but you don't.

Effective use of existing resources is the key factor for both football and hoops, and I'd agree that Purdue has been criminally negligent in that regard-- until the powers that be devote more than mere lip service to this "front porch" of the university, these kinds of uneven results will continue to be the norm.

 

[StateStreet123]

I wonder if Painter has pre-determined substitutions in his head for each game. Sub players A, B, C at the under 12:00 timeout, then sub player D at the 8:00 mark, etc. regardless of the flow of the game. The reason I think this is he subs players when we have positive momentum and then it's dead. I also question how he is willing to play the guys who constantly turn the ball over. Keady wouldn't tolerate 15 or more turnovers per game.

There is no doubt in my mind this is the case. Especially the first 12 minutes of the first half.

Hammons for first 4-6 mins or first foul, whichever comes first. Always back around last 8 minutes tv timeout of first half
Swanigan for 6-8 minutes or first foul, whichever comes first. Always back around last 8 minutes tv timeout of first half.
Starting PG out after 3-5 mins
Ray and/or Vince out after 4-6 mins

Like clockwork

Has anyone starter played the first 10 mins of the first half without subbing out? Serious question and I dont think so.

Not saying a predetermined substitution pattern is bad. It certainly may help provide some 'certainly' when managing playing time of 10 players; all of whom you want/need to help over the course of a season. But most certainly results in 'taking out the hot hand' at times and making us fans groan.