Painter's Biggest Coaching Decision For Next Season

[ghostoffatjack]

Will he embrace the wave of change and go full throttle with an up tempo run and gun three point shooting dominated offense and then bring the big man Haas off the bench to go inside for a change OR start as they did this year and inside out with the two bigs that we had replacing Biggie with someone on the roster?

Tougher decision then most would think and you need all of the summer and fall time to make the change if they are! If we had a roster full of 4 and 5 star players it is tough to do so this will be a critical decision to be made soon!

 

[WabashRiver]

Purdue tried to play small at the 5 last year. They gave up 98 points to Kansas. Having a traditional big offers rim protection. That's why NBA teams use bigs who are virtually useless on offense. Haas is dominant on offense. He'll start and play close to 30 minutes per game unless Haarms or Jacquil exceed expectations.

I think the biggest decision is for Painter to finally use a zone defense.

 

[WabashRiver]

 

[Roeder]

Will he embrace the wave of change and go full throttle with an up tempo run and gun three point shooting dominated offense and then bring the big man Haas off the bench to go inside for a change OR start as they did this year and inside out with the two bigs that we had replacing Biggie with someone on the roster?

Tougher decision then most would think and you need all of the summer and fall time to make the change if they are! If we had a roster full of 4 and 5 star players it is tough to do so this will be a critical decision to be made soon!

Haas and VE start and will get as many minutes as they can handle next year at the 4 and 5. This is their year to shine and dominate, and Purdue will go where these guys take them next year.

Ewing/Haarms/Taylor will all compete for rotation mins at 4 and 5. I like the length and athleticism this group brings off bench. Painter will have to find what combo works best.

Biggie leaving also opens door for Wheeler to get rotation minutes at 3 and 4. His potential is through the roof and Purdue has not had an athlete like him on the wing in some time.

All in all, Coach Painter will have some work to do with rotation, but I do like the versatility of this roster (haven't even mentioned Eastern!). The overseas competition will be huge advantage for coaches to work with this group early this summer.

Sad Biggie is leaving, but I still like this teams mix of experience and versatile incoming class. If a couple of these new guys develop quickly, Purdue could challenge for another Big Ten title and make it past first weekend of tourney again.

 

[BoiledSteel]

Will he embrace the wave of change and go full throttle with an up tempo run and gun three point shooting dominated offense and then bring the big man Haas off the bench to go inside for a change OR start as they did this year and inside out with the two bigs that we had replacing Biggie with someone on the roster?

Tougher decision then most would think and you need all of the summer and fall time to make the change if they are! If we had a roster full of 4 and 5 star players it is tough to do so this will be a critical decision to be made soon!

CMP went more 'run and gun' last year than people on here like to give him credit for. We had a high scoring offense and with giving CE the green light all season long, I'd say he has already embraced what you talk about.

You have to have the personnel in place first, before you can change a philosophy.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

You all keep forgetting that Haas had foul trouble "all year" and to expect him to play more minutes next season without a capable and similar low post style power player is unrealistic!

That said, that is why "I" believe he will have to change from the beginning for the team to succeed to a higher level with more of what we saw this past season and less of the high low offense! Zone will help but with fast movement inside out against it, Haas will foul just as much if not more!

 

[BoiledSteel]

You all keep forgetting that Haas had foul trouble "all year" and to expect him to play more minutes next season without a capable and similar low post style power player is unrealistic!

That said, that is why "I" believe he will have to change from the beginning for the team to succeed to a higher level with more of what we saw this past season and less of the high low offense! Zone will help but with fast movement inside out against it, Haas will foul just as much if not more!

 

[boilerzz]

Will he embrace the wave of change and go full throttle with an up tempo run and gun three point shooting dominated offense and then bring the big man Haas off the bench to go inside for a change OR start as they did this year and inside out with the two bigs that we had replacing Biggie with someone on the roster?

Tougher decision then most would think and you need all of the summer and fall time to make the change if they are! If we had a roster full of 4 and 5 star players it is tough to do so this will be a critical decision to be made soon!

Purdue was 4th in the Big Ten in offensive tempo last season, behind only Iowa, Penn State and Minnesota. In average offensive possession link, they were 3rd behind only Iowa and Penn State. I think he's embraced tempo already.

 

[boilerzz]

You all keep forgetting that Haas had foul trouble "all year" and to expect him to play more minutes next season without a capable and similar low post style power player is unrealistic!

Haas only was called for 4.3 fouls per 40 minutes last year, never fouled out and ended the game with 4 fouls only four times. Any other fallacies you'd like me to dispute?

 

[FirstDownB]

Will he embrace the wave of change and go full throttle with an up tempo run and gun three point shooting dominated offense and then bring the big man Haas off the bench to go inside for a change OR start as they did this year and inside out with the two bigs that we had replacing Biggie with someone on the roster?

Tougher decision then most would think and you need all of the summer and fall time to make the change if they are! If we had a roster full of 4 and 5 star players it is tough to do so this will be a critical decision to be made soon!

Three point shooting, yes. Playing some small ball, probably. Run and gun? Not with this roster. Perhaps in 2018 when these rising seniors are gone we will see more of a contrast in style.
To me, run and gun starts with defensive pressure, resulting in turnovers and transition buckets. Also pushing the ball aggressively upcourt after a rebound.Think West Virginia.That's just not this team. We have one player who can play that style, and he will continue to pick his spots to keep the defense on its heels.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

Haas only was called for 4.3 fouls per 40 minutes last year, never fouled out and ended the game with 4 fouls only four times. Any other fallacies you'd like me to dispute?

When you rest half the game with or without foul trouble as he did this year your numbers don't fly since to actually play 40 minutes in a game he will get tired and foul more often is a certainty!

 

[boilerzz]

When you rest half the game with or without foul trouble as he did this year your numbers don't fly since to actually play 40 minutes in a game he will get tired and foul more often is a certainty!

You all keep forgetting that Haas had foul trouble "all year"

 

[Wolegib]

Haas only was called for 4.3 fouls per 40 minutes last year, never fouled out and ended the game with 4 fouls only four times. Any other fallacies you'd like me to dispute?

if he had an average of 4.3 fouls per 40 mins , that would mean if he actually played 40 minutes, he would average more than 4 fouls per game. Doing the simple math, if Haas committed more than 4 fouls per game, that would mean he fouled out in every game. because anything more than 4 fouls per game is fouling out. if Haas is playing that 39th minute and has 4 fouls, and the whistle blows, he's gone. That 1/3rd of a foul is a foul. and anything more than 4 fouls is considered fouling out.

We've talked about how few minutes Haas played last year. I believe if he fouled less, he wouldn't have sat on the bench so much, and he would have played more.

Something else that was not mentioned. If a player has 3-4 fouls, they typically decrease their defensive intensity. We saw this with Biggie last year. As the year went on, in order not to foul out, he would play less intense defense in the first half, so that he could save his fouls for the last 2 minutes and go all out.

something also not said. If a player like Haas gets two quick fouls at the start of the game, he will likely sit on the bench for the remainder of the half.

You can use per minute stats anyway you like. but there are reasons some players play 35+ minutes per game, while others always play less than 20.. Cline might put up great per minute stats, but I would hate to see the game score if he played over 30 minutes. No matter what their per min stats look like, there are some players who are meant to be starters , and some who are meant to be role players.

There are some players who know they will play limited minutes, so they will foul more often and take more shots than a normal player would. A walk-on who plays 1 minute per game will usually commit 1-2 fouls and take 2-4 shots in that 1 minute of playing time. if you adjusted their stats to 40 minutes , they may average 80 points per 40 minutes and 100 fouls. Should they be receiving more playing time based on their stats ? NO !

as far as stats go, Taylor didn't foul out of any game last year either. And I don't really care what his fouls per 40 mins was either. Is Taylor better than Haas ? We will see. if he proves he is, who should receive more playing time?

 

[boilerzz]

if he had an average of 4.3 fouls per 40 mins , that would mean if he actually played 40 minutes, he would average more than 4 fouls per game. Doing the simple math, if Haas committed more than 4 fouls per game, that would mean he fouled out in every game. because anything more than 4 fouls per game is fouling out. if Haas is playing that 39th minute and has 4 fouls, and the whistle blows, he's gone. That 1/3rd of a foul is a foul. and anything more than 4 fouls is considered fouling out.

You may want to retake some math classes. 4.3 is an average across 35 games. That would imply that, in your hypothetical example, he would have 4 fouls in 24 games and 5 fouls in 10.

But even that is absurd because he would never be expected to play 40 minutes.

 

[Wolegib]

You may want to retake some math classes. 4.3 is an average across 35 games. That would imply that, in your hypothetical example, he would have 4 fouls in 24 games and 5 fouls in 10.

But even that is absurd because he would never be expected to play 40 minutes.

You just contradicted yourself and made my point. You said earlier Haas never fouled out. Using your math, and if he actually would have played 30-40 mins, he would have fouled out at least 10 times, and the other 25 games he would have ended up playing with 4 fouls. I'm sorry, having your center playing with 4 fouls is a bit too risky for me. because with 4 fouls, what can we expect his defensive intensity to be ? and if you need to commit a foul to stop the clock, it can't be Haas because he would then foul out.

Secondly, if a player is never expected to play 40 minutes, you shouldn't be using that as your benchmark stat. There were many games last year when Haas went to the bench not because of foul trouble, but rather he was winded and also ineffective. and that's something you can observe, but not calculate.

Have fun with your stats. I once had a season in junior high where I maintained a FT % of 100%. And for some odd reason, the coach didn't play me more.

 

[boilerzz]

You just contradicted yourself and made my point. You said earlier Haas never fouled out. Using your math, and if he actually would have played 30-40 mins, he would have fouled out at least 10 times, and the other 25 games he would have ended up playing with 4 fouls. I'm sorry, having your center playing with 4 fouls is a bit too risky for me. because with 4 fouls, what can we expect his defensive intensity to be ? and if you need to commit a foul to stop the clock, it can't be Haas because he would then foul out.

Secondly, if a player is never expected to play 40 minutes, you shouldn't be using that as your benchmark stat. There were many games last year when Haas went to the bench not because of foul trouble, but rather he was winded and also ineffective. and that's something you can observe, but not calculate.

Have fun with your stats. I once had a season in junior high where I maintained a FT % of 100%. And for some odd reason, the coach didn't play me more.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

fouling out is so over stated. who gives a shit if a guy fouls out? If you put him on the bench because of fouls you are essentially fouling him out anyway. Never understood the aversion to fouling out. Big whoop.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

That my point exactly that "IF" we do not have another inside player to take his place when he is tired and/or in foul trouble we have to change our priorities of our main offense and defense knowing that!

 

[PurdueBtfu2]

CMP went more 'run and gun' last year than people on here like to give him credit for.

But not much.

Three point shooting, yes. Playing some small ball, probably. Run and gun? Not with this roster. Perhaps in 2018 when these rising seniors are gone we will see more of a contrast in style.
To me, run and gun starts with defensive pressure, resulting in turnovers and transition buckets. Also pushing the ball aggressively upcourt after a rebound.Think West Virginia.That's just not this team. We have one player who can play that style, and he will continue to pick his spots to keep the defense on its heels.

I agree.
That style also reminds me some of the prior Michigan State or North Carolina teams as well.

 

[Indy_Rider]

fouling out is so over stated. who gives a shit if a guy fouls out? If you put him on the bench because of fouls you are essentially fouling him out anyway. Never understood the aversion to fouling out. Big whoop.

Depends on the player, but you usually rather have a good player available at the end of a close game to help close it out than the middle of the game.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Purdue led B1G conference in scoring last year......

That is the tempo they need to keep up in 2017-18.....no matter who plays.

 

[todd brewster]

You may want to retake some math classes. 4.3 is an average across 35 games. That would imply that, in your hypothetical example, he would have 4 fouls in 24 games and 5 fouls in 10.
But even that is absurd because he would never be expected to play 40 minutes.

Exactly, if Haas plays 30 minutes a game, he will average 3.1 fouls per game. Last year, Haas did a fantastic job of boxing out his man. This year, we need the other players to box out more and tell Haas to go nuts going after every rebound like Biggie did. We don't need to go zone, as we play a sagging man-to-man. When he pops out to defend the pick and roll is the only time he is away from the basket. And the only time, he stays out there is when the 5 can hit the 3. In those cases, he can guard the 3 or 4, if they can't hit the 3. The only big time D problem he had was with Melo. Melo had the ability to get to the lane and then dish to the center when Haas came over. This means that others have to sag more when they recognize that play. Haas also has to learn to be more confident in taking 7-15 foot jump shots and to watch tapes of Gonzaga's center's bone crushing picks.

 

[nagemj02]

"Small ball" can work with what's already in place as next season's team. They have the ability the full-court press, too. I agree with WabashRiver's sentiment above regarding Painter utilizing zone formations. I believe they are capable of playing those as well.

Eastern, Wheeler, and (possibly) Ewing should all be upgrades in the quickness and overall athleticism department. Haarms might be as well, being a stretch 5.

We need to see if Haas can play 20-25 MPG (still played under 20 MPG this past season) before anyone can say with certainty that he will play 30 MPG next season.

These things are all possible with this roster: it's just a matter of CMP being willing to be less conservative and less staunch about always doing things a certain way.

 

[Wolegib]

exactly what NAG said. before trying to use your stats to predict what Haas will do in 30 mins+, we first must find out if Haas can actually physically play more than 20 mins a game. he looked awfully tired in many games last year when he played extended minutes. many times he went to the bench last year because of ineffectiveness rather than fouls. and there had to be a reason Painter didn't play Haas along side biggie very much.

Admittedly, Haas generated some nice stats per minutes played. But he was a junior last year, and it was his third year of playing. One would have expected as a junior, he would already be playing 25-30 mins per game. Before projecting what Haas is going to do with all these extra mins, let's first see if he can actually handle playing 25-30 mins a game. if he can't, you can throw all your stats in that wastebasket in your ever so cute meme.

 

[BoiledSteel]

it's just a matter of CMP being willing to be less conservative and less staunch about always doing things a certain way.

And if you took your blinders of hatred off, you'd see that last year CMP did do things more aggressively. He just didn't do them to what you think he should and thank God he did or we wouldn't of made the NIT following your 'ideas'.

It is rather telling that you ignore so much evidence that counters the complaints you lobby about CMP and continue to post things like what I quoted above. It really exposes your agenda.

 

[GregJM24]

Depends on the player, but you usually rather have a good player available at the end of a close game to help close it out than the middle of the game.

Points count the same in the first 5 minutes as the last 5 minutes. If I coached, I wouldn't ever pay attention to fouls unless someone had 4 or if it was someone you felt you had to have at the end of a game.

 

[BoilerDeac]

Purdue tried to play small at the 5 last year. They gave up 98 points to Kansas. Having a traditional big offers rim protection. That's why NBA teams use bigs who are virtually useless on offense. Haas is dominant on offense. He'll start and play close to 30 minutes per game unless Haarms or Jacquil exceed expectations.

I think the biggest decision is for Painter to finally use a zone defense.

Having a traditional big offers rim protection, unless that big is like Haas who is not a shot blocker.

Purdue essentially forfeited that Kansas game by resorting to only dumping it down low to Haas. Not going to catch up to Kansas scoring a bunch of layups.

Granted, Purdue really had no other option with Vince in foul trouble and Purdue's unathletic guards getting exposed by Kansas. That draw was a death sentence from the start.

 

[todd brewster]

??????????Having a traditional big offers rim protection, unless that big is like Haas who is not a shot blocker.???????????
???????????????Purdue essentially forfeited that Kansas game by resorting to only dumping it down low to Haas. Not going to catch up to Kansas scoring a bunch of layups.????????????????

Are you serious?

Haas is not a shot blocker, but he is a shot intimidator. Did you watch any of the games last season? Teams were going to the rim when Haas was out and seldom did when he entered. Haas also had two blocks of the year when Wagner and Bridges both when in for high flying slam dunks. He got the blocks because he came from the weak side. In MP's D, Haas is pretty much anchored in the middle and players do not challenge him.

The thing that Haas has to pick up is being more aggressive and shot blocking and minutes played last year both reflect that. Haas did not come out last year, because he was tired, he came out when he did not play his position. I hope in the non Big Ten season, MP will let Haas go. Haas has to leave his man at times to anticipate a rival taking a shot and Haas has to be there to reject it. He also has to step out when someone is taking a jump shot. However, if the ball is passed to his man, Haas comes out of the game if he is not inside - especially to grab the rebound. Haas also has to be more aggressive on the boards and quit worrying about boxing out his man and instead go after every rebound like Biggie did.

Haas can play 30 minutes and he needs to get more aggressive and not worry about being taken out if he is, even if that means playing with an additional foul than he had last year.

 

[tjreese]

Will he embrace the wave of change and go full throttle with an up tempo run and gun three point shooting dominated offense and then bring the big man Haas off the bench to go inside for a change OR start as they did this year and inside out with the two bigs that we had replacing Biggie with someone on the roster?

Tougher decision then most would think and you need all of the summer and fall time to make the change if they are! If we had a roster full of 4 and 5 star players it is tough to do so this will be a critical decision to be made soon!

I suspect his biggest decision will be his staff assignments. His next biggest decision may very well be how quickly he cuts the players times or doesn't cut them much..how quickly does he think he has seen enough to get more into his rotations. He will still want to be efficient on offense and defense. He will still want good shots. He will look for the new players to add to the existing players, not the other way around. If a new player fills a void that is needed that player will play a lot. He will not play a straight up zone at least for the near future...THAT decision was made when AJ was a junior.. He will only press when down late and it will most likely be a man press (not my preference).. Shot selection will be important as will dribble containment. Rebounding will be a focus early..with guards emphasized on teh boards. He will push the ball as always looking to steal a few easy baskets, but then not to rush the shot until he probes the defense. I don't think Matt changes anything in his approach, but that the various frequencies of things we see is more dependent on who is playing than any approach change Matt has....at least my best guess on things

 

[BoilerDeac]

Are you serious?

Haas is not a shot blocker, but he is a shot intimidator. Did you watch any of the games last season? Teams were going to the rim when Haas was out and seldom did when he entered. Haas also had two blocks of the year when Wagner and Bridges both when in for high flying slam dunks. He got the blocks because he came from the weak side. In MP's D, Haas is pretty much anchored in the middle and players do not challenge him.

The thing that Haas has to pick up is being more aggressive and shot blocking and minutes played last year both reflect that. Haas did not come out last year, because he was tired, he came out when he did not play his position. I hope in the non Big Ten season, MP will let Haas go. Haas has to leave his man at times to anticipate a rival taking a shot and Haas has to be there to reject it. He also has to step out when someone is taking a jump shot. However, if the ball is passed to his man, Haas comes out of the game if he is not inside - especially to grab the rebound. Haas also has to be more aggressive on the boards and quit worrying about boxing out his man and instead go after every rebound like Biggie did.

Haas can play 30 minutes and he needs to get more aggressive and not worry about being taken out if he is, even if that means playing with an additional foul than he had last year.[/QUOTE

Are you serious?

Haas is not a shot blocker, but he is a shot intimidator. Did you watch any of the games last season? Teams were going to the rim when Haas was out and seldom did when he entered. Haas also had two blocks of the year when Wagner and Bridges both when in for high flying slam dunks. He got the blocks because he came from the weak side. In MP's D, Haas is pretty much anchored in the middle and players do not challenge him.

The thing that Haas has to pick up is being more aggressive and shot blocking and minutes played last year both reflect that. Haas did not come out last year, because he was tired, he came out when he did not play his position. I hope in the non Big Ten season, MP will let Haas go. Haas has to leave his man at times to anticipate a rival taking a shot and Haas has to be there to reject it. He also has to step out when someone is taking a jump shot. However, if the ball is passed to his man, Haas comes out of the game if he is not inside - especially to grab the rebound. Haas also has to be more aggressive on the boards and quit worrying about boxing out his man and instead go after every rebound like Biggie did.

Haas can play 30 minutes and he needs to get more aggressive and not worry about being taken out if he is, even if that means playing with an additional foul than he had last year.

Are you serious? Go back and watch the Villanova game, for example. Let me know if they took it right to Haas or not.

 

[njm8845]

Are you serious? Go back and watch the Villanova game, for example. Let me know if they took it right to Haas or not.

I agree. Not only is haas not a shot blocker, but he's also not an intimidator, as he's not quick enough to get into position. See any game against slashing guards...we got eaten alive.

That's not to say he isn't valuable though.

 

[grm14]

What angers me the most is that Swanigan worked out after home games and none of the other players joined him. At least we never heard that they did? Haas should've been in there with him because conditioning is the only thing keeping him from getting more minutes.

 

[ghost_of_d.]

Just a few things to chip in to the conversation...

1. I think Haas has to start and play as close to 30 minutes a game as possible, at least to begin the season. We don't know if Haarms will be ready to give 10-15 minutes a game, and we don't know if Taylor is ready - or physically capable - to do the same. Haas has paid his dues and has bounced back and forth between the bench and the starting lineup for 3 years now. Give him the starting spot and all the minutes he can handle until it's evident that somebody else deserves more minutes.
2. Unless Eastern turns out to be a stud PG capable of splitting time with PJT, any plans for a more uptempo offensive pace will probably have to wait a year. If PJT and Mathias both average 25-30 mpg like I think they will, we will be a half-court oriented team.

 

[todd brewster]

To be fair, I just watched the entire Villanova/Purdue game. This was one TV game I did not watch last season and I can see where a lot of misconceptions comes from. Number 1 is the announcer saying over and over in the beggining of the 2nd half how well Haas did because he was rested. True, Haas only played 5 minutes in the first half. However, after not starting the 2nd half, Haas played 15 of 16 minutes and did his most damage at the end (when you'd assume he was gassed). After watching this game, I am convinced Haas can easily play 30 minutes per game.

Haas picked up 3 fouls in the first half. You are right, Villanova is a rim attacking team. Twice when Hart, their All American drove, he threw his body into Haas and Haas learned from this. His 3rd foul was actually a charge (but the refs goofed). However, Villanova really attacked the hoop when Haas was out. In the 2nd half, they curtailed it. Part of it was because Matias played great D on Hart and part because Haas blocked 2 dunk attempts. Hart did make a lay up, but two other layups were missed because of Haas' intimidation. If any poster does not understand how much Haas intimidates than you never played against a big man and you did not watch the nuance of the game. Watch the game again and you DO NOT see Nova drive much at the end of the game when they needed to.

Also please watch the game again and you will see some athletic moves by Haas that I seldom saw in other games. From this game, I think MP over compensated trying to protect Biggie, Edwards and Haas after Smotherman left the team. I think MP was overly concerned about losing two big men to fouls. The good news is that with the additional big men, he can let Haas go a little wild. I hope Haas practices more like Biggie and start dribbling more on fast breaks, take more outside shots with the occasional 3 and goes after ever rebound. I think most people reading this think I am crazy, but he needs to build his confidence and aggression and then settle into winning games in the Big 10.

 

[77 grad]

To be fair, I just watched the entire Villanova/Purdue game. This was one TV game I did not watch last season and I can see where a lot of misconceptions comes from. Number 1 is the announcer saying over and over in the beggining of the 2nd half how well Haas did because he was rested. True, Haas only played 5 minutes in the first half. However, after not starting the 2nd half, Haas played 15 of 16 minutes and did his most damage at the end (when you'd assume he was gassed). After watching this game, I am convinced Haas can easily play 30 minutes per game.

Haas picked up 3 fouls in the first half. You are right, Villanova is a rim attacking team. Twice when Hart, their All American drove, he threw his body into Haas and Haas learned from this. His 3rd foul was actually a charge (but the refs goofed). However, Villanova really attacked the hoop when Haas was out. In the 2nd half, they curtailed it. Part of it was because Matias played great D on Hart and part because Haas blocked 2 dunk attempts. Hart did make a lay up, but two other layups were missed because of Haas' intimidation. If any poster does not understand how much Haas intimidates than you never played against a big man and you did not watch the nuance of the game. Watch the game again and you DO NOT see Nova drive much at the end of the game when they needed to.

Also please watch the game again and you will see some athletic moves by Haas that I seldom saw in other games. From this game, I think MP over compensated trying to protect Biggie, Edwards and Haas after Smotherman left the team. I think MP was overly concerned about losing two big men to fouls. The good news is that with the additional big men, he can let Haas go a little wild. I hope Haas practices more like Biggie and start dribbling more on fast breaks, take more outside shots with the occasional 3 and goes after ever rebound. I think most people reading this think I am crazy, but he needs to build his confidence and aggression and then settle into winning games in the Big 10.

Haas dribbling more on fast breaks, taking more outside shots and the occasional 3? If he can handle the ball and make shots that way, I am for it.

Did I say “if”?

 

[tjreese]

Haas dribbling more on fast breaks, taking more outside shots and the occasional 3? If he can handle the ball and make shots that way, I am for it.

Did I say “if”?

I like haas and hope he has a great year. I agree tjat more depth this year can allow more aggtessuon, but haas is not going to dribble the ball on breaks or shoot threes. The game is a team game and you don't let a player have unlimited freedom to develop during a game. Haas is who he is...a great guy with a nice touch that might be able to extend his range to the ft line...and might need to with the right personnel. He is not quick and quick players that can play a little physical has been a nightmare for him. By the tiime the ball leaves his hand, hits the floor and returns to his hands when trying to dribble it will be the Big baseball tourney

 

[Inkjet200]

If I remember correctly, the 2nd half of the Notre Dame game was a great comeback. I would say that Painter needs to continue to execute halftime adjustments similar to what was seen that game.

I do not think Haas should shoot jumpers regularly.

 

[77 grad]

If I remember correctly, the 2nd half of the Notre Dame game was a great comeback. I would say that Painter needs to continue to execute halftime adjustments similar to what was seen that game.

I do not think Haas should shoot jumpers regularly.

I did not mean to dis Haas.. He is one of my favorite Boilers.

If it’s within his abilities to run the fast break and routinely knock down threes. I will be thrilled and call for more of that to happen.

Will CMP rely on that as our main strategy? At this point in, I am hedging my bets.

 

[tjreese]

I did not mean to dis Haas.. He is one of my favorite Boilers.

If it’s within his abilities to run the fast break and routinely knock down threes. I will be thrilled and call for more of that to happen.

Will CMP rely on that as our main strategy? At this point in, I am hedging my bets.

Not only will it not be a main strategy, it won't be a strategy. It would be nice if haas could hit a high post jumper...eithput dribbling. That would allow another low post

 

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These things are all possible with this roster: it's just a matter of CMP being willing to be less conservative and less staunch about always doing things a certain way.

Go back and watch a game from first half of Painter's Purdue career.....and then tell me a Big Ten coach that has changed their style more than Painter. He has made pretty drastic changes in style of play. Where does this myth come from that he always does things the same way?

You aren't going to see drastic changes next year....but you will in 2018-2019 season. Be dumb to drastically change a formula next year.