OT: SIAP: Crean talk of NCOY? (CBS Sports)

[bnsummers]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...n-should-be-a-candidate-for-coach-of-the-year

So does CTC deserve credit for a defensive turn around by the Hoosiers because Blackmon was lost for the season and he had to change his rotation? Otherwise, IU would have remained D-less with him still playing.

I hope they extend his contract because I still feel that IU is winning in spite of CTC, not because of him.

POTFH

 

[honey_badger]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...n-should-be-a-candidate-for-coach-of-the-year

So does CTC deserve credit for a defensive turn around by the Hoosiers because Blackmon was lost for the season and he had to change his rotation? Otherwise, IU would have remained D-less with him still playing.

I hope they extend his contract because I still feel that IU is winning in spite of CTC, not because of him.

POTFH

Crean doesn't even fill the stands. The balcony is never filled. How in the world can he be coach of the year if he can't even fill the seats up with supposed IU fans? Granted, the Purdue game WAS a sell-out. But time after time they simply do not sell out. Start there IMO. I AGREE (IN SPITE OF)

 

[Professor Emeritus]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...n-should-be-a-candidate-for-coach-of-the-year

So does CTC deserve credit for a defensive turn around by the Hoosiers because Blackmon was lost for the season and he had to change his rotation? Otherwise, IU would have remained D-less with him still playing.

I hope they extend his contract because I still feel that IU is winning in spite of CTC, not because of him.

POTFH

I don't know about NCOY from the media or his peers, but Crean is Fitbit Coach of the Year every season for all the steps that goofball logs on the sidelines.

 

[plaxico80]

I'm sure Painter's gonna be in the conversation!

 

[Cevol03]

IU has the 13th hardest schedule in the B1G

 

[boiler-deuce]

Look guys. I'm going to be real honest here. Crean is a joke. The dude is not even close to being decent. And, before anyone starts barking about his (cough) Recruiting (cough)..."I" could recruit top talent to IU. Let's be real here for a sec, and as much as I can't stand to admit, their history sells itself. All you need to do is parade these young kids through the "Hall" and start pointing to banners..photos..videos...blah blah blah. It SUCKS, but it's the truth. Crean is a head case and complete boob. Big flipping deal, the schedule shined on his sorry ass this year. (After I drop the mic, I step down off the soap box, and kick it across the floor for emphasis) LOL.

 

[purdue4sure]

I'm sure Painter's gonna be in the conversation!

I'm sure he is in all of your conversations. It's called "obsession".

 

[bsmitty08]

Look guys. I'm going to be real honest here. Crean is a joke. The dude is not even close to being decent. And, before anyone starts barking about his (cough) Recruiting (cough)..."I" could recruit top talent to IU. Let's be real here for a sec, and as much as I can't stand to admit, their history sells itself. All you need to do is parade these young kids through the "Hall" and start pointing to banners..photos..videos...blah blah blah. It SUCKS, but it's the truth. Crean is a head case and complete boob. Big flipping deal, the schedule shined on his sorry ass this year. (After I drop the mic, I step down off the soap box, and kick it across the floor for emphasis) LOL.

listen I hate CTC but recruiting is not why he is having success..my biggest issue is his recruiting. Also out of 12 scholarship players CTC only has
5 *: Yogi, Blackmon(out for year)
4 *: RJ, Troy And Bryant
3* or below: Max, Zeisloft, OG, Hartman, Morgan, Priller, Newkirk, Neigo(walk on getting minutes)

PU:
5 *: Swanigan
4 *: Haas, Hammons, Stephens, Davis, Smotherman
3*: Edwards, Hill, Weatherford, Taylor, Mathias, PJ, Cline,

 

[mathboy]

listen I hate CTC but recruiting is not why he is having success..my biggest issue is his recruiting. Also out of 12 scholarship players CTC only has
5 *: Yogi, Blackmon(out for year)
4 *: RJ, Troy And Bryant
3* or below: Max, Zeisloft, OG, Hartman, Morgan, Priller, Newkirk, Neigo(walk on getting minutes)

PU:
5 *: Swanigan
4 *: Haas, Hammons, Stephens, Davis, Smotherman
3*: Edwards, Hill, Weatherford, Taylor, Mathias, PJ, Cline,

I thought Bryant was a Burger Boy, hence a 5*???

 

[bsmitty08]

I thought Bryant was a Burger Boy, hence a 5*???

Nope he was a 4 star.

 

[KentuckyBoiler]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...n-should-be-a-candidate-for-coach-of-the-year

So does CTC deserve credit for a defensive turn around by the Hoosiers because Blackmon was lost for the season and he had to change his rotation? Otherwise, IU would have remained D-less with him still playing.

I hope they extend his contract because I still feel that IU is winning in spite of CTC, not because of him.

POTFH

Do we really care? Why has so many threads turned to IU discussions on here?

 

[Courtsensetemp]

Crean doesn't even fill the stands. The balcony is never filled. How in the world can he be coach of the year if he can't even fill the seats up with supposed IU fans? Granted, the Purdue game WAS a sell-out. But time after time they simply do not sell out. Start there IMO. I AGREE (IN SPITE OF)

You are dead wrong here as you are so often. There is a long waiting list for season tickets that is about to get longer. There have been some empty student seats outside of big ten play and many of us are asking Glass to sell some of those 8000 student seats to waiting alumni. Hope that helps.

 

[SIBoiler2]

You are dead wrong here as you are so often. There is a long waiting list for season tickets that is about to get longer. There have been some empty student seats outside of big ten play and many of us are asking Glass to sell some of those 8000 student seats to waiting alumni. Hope that helps.

It'd help a lot more if you'd stay in the Stye where you belong.

 

[honey_badger]

You are dead wrong here as you are so often. There is a long waiting list for season tickets that is about to get longer. There have been some empty student seats outside of big ten play and many of us are asking Glass to sell some of those 8000 student seats to waiting alumni. Hope that helps.

That long waiting list does not include those balcony seats, no one wants them. There are 4000 good seats and the rest are not so great, but the balcony is an entire different story. Allison Williams (During a Big Ten Game) went up to the balcony during an ESPN broadcast and talked to a few people on the front few rows of the balcony, the balcony was NOT full at all. How can you say that all big ten games were sell-outs? Only the front few rows were occupied and at that, not even all of them were.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Please let this happen! Up to now they've played the third easiest schedule in the B1G (CSOS of 95) and their NCSOS was 188 according to RPI rankings (Purdue, by comparison, has played the third toughest CSOS (37) and NCSOS of 111). They're a better team without Blackmon, but still not nearly what they were expected to be (top 10) IMO. They are primed for a "surprise" first-weekend exit from the tournament, but won't be able to ditch CTC if he wins a national award. Thumbs up for Crean!

 

[honey_badger]

Please let this happen! Up to now they've played the third easiest schedule in the B1G (CSOS of 95) and their NCSOS was 188 according to RPI rankings (Purdue, by comparison, has played the third toughest CSOS (37) and NCSOS of 111). They're a better team without Blackmon, but still not nearly what they were expected to be (top 10) IMO. They are primed for a "surprise" first-weekend exit from the tournament, but won't be able to ditch CTC if he wins a national award. Thumbs up for Crean!

Why people say they are better without Blackmon is puzzling. He was there 1 or 2 scorer (as i recall, cant be sure but i think he almost averaged 16 points a game for goodness sakes alive). How can a team be better without there leading scorer? I don't care how bad his defense was. That's like saying we would have been better without Robbie Hummell.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Why people say they are better without Blackmon is puzzling. He was there 1 or 2 scorer (as i recall, cant be sure but i think he almost averaged 16 points a game for goodness sakes alive). How can a team be better without there leading scorer? I don't care how bad his defense was. That's like saying we would have been better without Robbie Hummell.

What have you been watching? IU lost to UNLV and Wake Forest in the non-conference because having Blackmon out there with Ferrell, Bryant, and Johnson meant there were too many ball hogs and not enough role players for IU. IU's offense got significantly better when Blackmon got hurt. They are much more fluid and now tend to play less "hero ball". Their offense stagnates less than it did with Blackmon. They got more playing time for guys like OG Adenobi, and he's played very well for them. Also, you cannot dismiss the difference they have shown on defense. Their defense, while still average to slightly below average, is significantly better than when Blackmon was on the floor.

 

[bnsummers]

Look guys. I'm going to be real honest here. Crean is a joke. The dude is not even close to being decent. And, before anyone starts barking about his (cough) Recruiting (cough)..."I" could recruit top talent to IU. Let's be real here for a sec, and as much as I can't stand to admit, their history sells itself. All you need to do is parade these young kids through the "Hall" and start pointing to banners..photos..videos...blah blah blah. It SUCKS, but it's the truth. Crean is a head case and complete boob. Big flipping deal, the schedule shined on his sorry ass this year. (After I drop the mic, I step down off the soap box, and kick it across the floor for emphasis) LOL.

Agreed B-D and gr8. But as long as he's the coach, I can't imagine IU ever making a serious run to the F-F.

 

[Courtsensetemp]

That long waiting list does not include those balcony seats, no one wants them. There are 4000 good seats and the rest are not so great, but the balcony is an entire different story. Allison Williams (During a Big Ten Game) went up to the balcony during an ESPN broadcast and talked to a few people on the front few rows of the balcony, the balcony was NOT full at all. How can you say that all big ten games were sell-outs? Only the front few rows were occupied and at that, not even all of them were.

Read my post again, it is accurate.

 

[Courtsensetemp]

It'd help a lot more if you'd stay in the Stye where you belong.

Thanks for your concern, I enjoy reading about IU from various viewpoints, I sense I know what yours might be.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Why people say they are better without Blackmon is puzzling. He was there 1 or 2 scorer (as i recall, cant be sure but i think he almost averaged 16 points a game for goodness sakes alive). How can a team be better without there leading scorer? I don't care how bad his defense was. That's like saying we would have been better without Robbie Hummell.

Very easily. I watched IU play Notre Dame live, and watched Blackmon play "defense". He was utterly lost, as in no clue where he was supposed to be at any given time. I've never seen a high-major player look so completely ineffective playing defense. The thing about team defensive concepts with a guy who is completely lost is that the other team's offensive efficiency goes up quite a bit. Rarely will an individual player's offensive efficiency be able to offset that, and particularly when you're talking about a volume shooter like Blackmon - a guy who needs 12 shots to get his 16 points per game. 12 shots, by the way, in 24 minutes per game! Chances are, you can get those 16 points aggregated by others on the team on fewer shots, and then play better team defense with someone like Johnson who plays with effort and understands where he's supposed to be.

Hummel was good in a team defensive concept, was the team's leading rebounder and high on assists, steals, offensive fouls drawn, and was as good a shooter at the 4 as Blackmon is at the 2. So, that's pretty much a terrible comparison.

There's little question, having watched IU play quite a bit, that they are playing better without Blackmon in the lineup than they were with him. Their season turned, and their defense improved (which is why they're better than they were in the NC) when he was lost for the year.

This might blow your mind: I think Purdue might be better next year without Hammons. I know. That's unpossible.

 

[honey_badger]

Very easily. I watched IU play Notre Dame live, and watched Blackmon play "defense". He was utterly lost, as in no clue where he was supposed to be at any given time. I've never seen a high-major player look so completely ineffective playing defense. The thing about team defensive concepts with a guy who is completely lost is that the other team's offensive efficiency goes up quite a bit. Rarely will an individual player's offensive efficiency be able to offset that, and particularly when you're talking about a volume shooter like Blackmon - a guy who needs 12 shots to get his 16 points per game. 12 shots, by the way, in 24 minutes per game! Chances are, you can get those 16 points aggregated by others on the team on fewer shots, and then play better team defense with someone like Johnson who plays with effort and understands where he's supposed to be.

Hummel was good in a team defensive concept, was the team's leading rebounder and high on assists, steals, offensive fouls drawn, and was as good a shooter at the 4 as Blackmon is at the 2. So, that's pretty much a terrible comparison.

There's little question, having watched IU play quite a bit, that they are playing better without Blackmon in the lineup than they were with him. Their season turned, and their defense improved (which is why they're better than they were in the NC) when he was lost for the year.

This might blow your mind: I think Purdue might be better next year without Hammons. I know. That's unpossible.

Agree with items in green. I went back and found how I could replay the IU vs ND game for review, he was lost for sure, however, in that first half, there were plenty of other IU players lost (they were all slacking). I like what you say (2nd green highlight) there, I think you are right in this case. As far as what's in red, I wasn't drawing a player comparison because Hummell is hands-down out of this world better than Blackmon, but more along the lines of their stats.....Blackmon was a really good rebounder, also had assists and steals but not anywhere near Hummell mind you. But from a stats standpoint and for a team like Indiana that is heavily dependent on their offensive weapons because of their poor defense, losing Blackmon should have had a huge impact. And it's just amazing to me that it hasn't but reading your response clears some of that up.

 

[honey_badger]

Look guys. I'm going to be real honest here. Crean is a joke. The dude is not even close to being decent. And, before anyone starts barking about his (cough) Recruiting (cough)..."I" could recruit top talent to IU. Let's be real here for a sec, and as much as I can't stand to admit, their history sells itself. All you need to do is parade these young kids through the "Hall" and start pointing to banners..photos..videos...blah blah blah. It SUCKS, but it's the truth. Crean is a head case and complete boob. Big flipping deal, the schedule shined on his sorry ass this year. (After I drop the mic, I step down off the soap box, and kick it across the floor for emphasis) LOL.

I don't think you're going to have to worry much about Crean and the Hoosiers, they are injured up:
Blackmon: out for year
Johnson: high ankle 4-8 weeks
Williams: Leg injury, possibly Thigh contusion or deep bruise to the quad. no word on his return

It might be time to stick a fork in them not just because of the above injures, but because they are terrible on neutral courts and on the road. Duke (blowout), MSU (blowout), Wake Forest (loss), UNLV (loss), Penn State (loss), Rutgers (really close game), Wisky (loss and had no answer for Happ, Hayes, & Coach Gard).
Also, had major trouble with Minnesota at home (and good portion of the game on the road).
Also, Crean factor is huge. Can't generally win close games, can't adjust during halftime or call crucial plays out of time-outs. Doesn't know WHEN to call time-outs. Doesn't know how to work the refs. Doesn't know how to bench players for inadequate play or how to discipline players for flat out terrible play.
Crean can't win big games under pressure...Looks lost (deer in headlights) when NCAA comes around and Big Ten Tournament as well.

 

[honey_badger]

Read my post again, it is accurate.

I realize you're talking student section and non-big-ten play but there are plenty of other unoccupied seats during big ten play (not to include the student section)

 

[plaxico80]

I don't think you're going to have to worry much about Crean and the Hoosiers, they are injured up:
Blackmon: out for year
Johnson: high ankle 4-8 weeks
Williams: Leg injury, possibly Thigh contusion or deep bruise to the quad. no word on his return

It might be time to stick a fork in them not just because of the above injures, but because they are terrible on neutral courts and on the road. Duke (blowout), MSU (blowout), Wake Forest (loss), UNLV (loss), Penn State (loss), Rutgers (really close game), Wisky (loss and had no answer for Happ, Hayes, & Coach Gard).
Also, had major trouble with Minnesota at home (and good portion of the game on the road).
Also, Crean factor is huge. Can't generally win close games, can't adjust during halftime or call crucial plays out of time-outs. Doesn't know WHEN to call time-outs. Doesn't know how to work the refs. Doesn't know how to bench players for inadequate play or how to discipline players for flat out terrible play.
Crean can't win big games under pressure...Looks lost (deer in headlights) when NCAA comes around and Big Ten Tournament as well.

...and with all these problems, he's still better than Matt Painter.

 

[Erock_94]

Oh please, let this happen lol

 

[Schnelk]

It just gets easier and easier to hit ignore. Know what I mean?

 

[Courtsensetemp]

I realize you're talking student section and non-big-ten play but there are plenty of other unoccupied seats during big ten play (not to include the student section)

I can only refer you to my post as it is accurate. Season tickets are sold out with a significant waiting list that is about to get longer. Empty balcony seats are student seats. I understand them choosing go stay home with beer and a bathroom and watching on their 60" HD rather than trekking thru the cold to sit in the balcony, I Really do. That said, Glass Needs to sell about a thousand of them to young alumni. He makes more money and takes a bite out of the waiting list.

 

[IndySouthsider]

Well he is winning with A preferred walkon getting important minutes, and a freshman in Anunoby nobody heard of. I think Greg Gard has done a better job to be honest.

 

[boilerpt]

A boatload of talent and the league's weakest schedule...no he doesn't deserve COY.

 

[SDBoiler1]

...and with all these problems, he's still better than Matt Painter.

5-8 vs. Painter head-to-head and 1-8 without Cody Zeller says otherwise. Certainly, Crean is a better recruiter, but no way is he a better bench coach. Hell, Crean never played college ball. He was a manager for Izzo for God's sake.

 

[RBB89]

That long waiting list does not include those balcony seats, no one wants them. There are 4000 good seats and the rest are not so great, but the balcony is an entire different story. Allison Williams (During a Big Ten Game) went up to the balcony during an ESPN broadcast and talked to a few people on the front few rows of the balcony, the balcony was NOT full at all. How can you say that all big ten games were sell-outs? Only the front few rows were occupied and at that, not even all of them were.

Every game is sold out except for Christmas break games. Most of the balconies are general admission for students...and when I say "most", I mean all of one balcony and 75% of the other. A lot of students who know they won't get there early enough to get good seats simply don't show up, so the balcony sits with a ton of empties. It absolutely looks bad, but the games are sold out. There is a wait list for tickets. They need to take some of the student seating away, IMO. The general public section of the one balcony is always filled.

 

[indyogb]

listen I hate CTC but recruiting is not why he is having success..my biggest issue is his recruiting. Also out of 12 scholarship players CTC only has
5 *: Yogi, Blackmon(out for year)
4 *: RJ, Troy And Bryant
3* or below: Max, Zeisloft, OG, Hartman, Morgan, Priller, Newkirk, Neigo(walk on getting minutes)

PU:
5 *: Swanigan
4 *: Haas, Hammons, Stephens, Davis, Smotherman
3*: Edwards, Hill, Weatherford, Taylor, Mathias, PJ, Cline,

So you're saying this was a down year for IU recruiting?

Seriously, Purdue's 5* is the first one we've had in at least a decade (more like two - I don't think Hummel, Johnson, Moore, or Martin were "5*"). IU gets the equivalent of "high first round draft picks" every year, while Purdue is lucky to get one every five years. (Maybe if Crean stopped, well, "Creaning" them so often, there'd be more on IU's roster currently)

If you think Crean is great - fine. I won't argue that point. I just don't want to hear that "he's done more with less" when it's a completely asinine assertion.

 

[honey_badger]

Every game is sold out except for Christmas break games. Most of the balconies are general admission for students...and when I say "most", I mean all of one balcony and 75% of the other. A lot of students who know they won't get there early enough to get good seats simply don't show up, so the balcony sits with a ton of empties. It absolutely looks bad, but the games are sold out. There is a wait list for tickets. They need to take some of the student seating away, IMO. The general public section of the one balcony is always filled.

thanks for the clarification and i agree, if that's how they are going to do it, figure out a remedy because those empties just make the big ten as a whole look bad, not just IU.

 

[bsmitty08]

So you're saying this was a down year for IU recruiting?

Seriously, Purdue's 5* is the first one we've had in at least a decade (more like two - I don't think Hummel, Johnson, Moore, or Martin were "5*"). IU gets the equivalent of "high first round draft picks" every year, while Purdue is lucky to get one every five years. (Maybe if Crean stopped, well, "Creaning" them so often, there'd be more on IU's roster currently)

If you think Crean is great - fine. I won't argue that point. I just don't want to hear that "he's done more with less" when it's a completely asinine assertion.

I am talking current roster here and based off this years roster rankings he has done well and I am not a fan of CTC

 

[plaxico80]

5-8 vs. Painter head-to-head and 1-8 without Cody Zeller says otherwise. Certainly, Crean is a better recruiter, but no way is he a better bench coach. Hell, Crean never played college ball. He was a manager for Izzo for God's sake.

Since the rebuild at IU was complete, he's finished higher than Painter 4 out of the last 5 years and he owns two conference titles.

Crean is doing better than Painter to everybody on the planet except Purdue fans. Yep, even with those head-to-head losses, he's finishing higher in the standings than Painter.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Since the rebuild at IU was complete, he's finished higher than Painter 4 out of the last 5 years and he owns two conference titles.

Crean is doing better than Painter to everybody on the planet except Purdue fans. Yep, even with those head-to-head losses, he's finishing higher in the standings than Painter.

OK, two can play this game. We should throw out seasons randomly because it supports your faulty, meme, right? We shouldn't count Painter's first season because he inherited Keady's weak team and Carl Landry was hurt. Also, we shouldn't count the two seasons when Ronnie Johnson was Purdue's point guard because he was a cancer on the team and he sucked to boot.

Painter has won a BT Regular Championship and a BTT title. Crean got lucky this year because IU was gifted the BIG's easiest (or damn close to it) conference schedule. If IU played Purdue at Purdue, IU would have lost. How many games did IU play against teams below Michigan in the standings (that is, Northwestern, PSU, Nebraska, Illinois, Minnesota, and Rutgers)?

 

[plaxico80]

OK, two can play this game. We should throw out seasons randomly because it supports your faulty, meme, right? We shouldn't count Painter's first season because he inherited Keady's weak team and Carl Landry was hurt. Also, we shouldn't count the two seasons when Ronnie Johnson was Purdue's point guard because he was a cancer on the team and he sucked to boot.

Painter has won a BT Regular Championship and a BTT title. Crean got lucky this year because IU was gifted the BIG's easiest (or damn close to it) conference schedule. If IU played Purdue at Purdue, IU would have lost. How many games did IU play against teams below Michigan in the standings (that is, Northwestern, PSU, Nebraska, Illinois, Minnesota, and Rutgers)?

LOL. What Painter inherited was NOTHING REMOTELY LIKE the situation Crean came into and I wouldn't go acting like Purdue is infallible at home. Iowa (the team IU just took care of, on their home floor) came into your building and left with a W. They also took care of you in the same building IU just celebrated a B1G championship in, by 12 points if I remember correctly.

...but whatever helps you sleep better at night.

 

[plaxico80]

Also weird you mention Illinois as a weak team IU faced.

How'd the Boilers do against them?

 

[SDBoiler1]

Also weird you mention Illinois as a weak team IU faced.

How'd the Boilers do against them?

Yeah, how did IU do against Penn State? How about UNLV? Wake Forest?

Also, Maryland is going to take out some frustration on IU this weekend.