OT - NFL PLAYOFFS

[New Pal Boiler]

That was easily the greatest weekend of football I’ve seen in my life. All 4 games decided on the final play.

The only negative was realizing exactly how far away the Colts are from contending in the AFC, with Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, etc.

Teams with Wentz or Taneyhill at QB ain’t making deep playoff runs.

 

[nat100]

Please god, make the bengals take OL with their first 3 picks.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Please god, make the bengals take OL with their first 3 picks.

Goodell may need to step in and make them fix that line, for the good of the league, and it’s fans.

 

[FirstDownB]

Haven't watched an entire game in over 2 years. Do they still play overtime or break ties with kneeling contests?

 

[nat100]

Haven't watched an entire game in over 2 years. Do they still play overtime or break ties with kneeling contests?

sack race by the two heaviest players on each team.

 

[PaBoiler78]

Haven't watched an entire game in over 2 years. Do they still play overtime or break ties with kneeling contests?

thought the Bills should have tried a squib kick to KC and take some time off the clock. Nice to see the Rams kicker have redemption in that game. All these Pro kickers banging 55 yarders consistently and his kick when they were up 27 -13 looked like he kicked an under inflated ball.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

thought the Bills should have tried a squib kick to KC and take some time off the clock.

I'm shocked that this hasn't come up more. Twitter barely mentioned it after the game. Sportscenter had a segment on it this morning but I didn't have the sound on at work. I was arguing for it immediately. Same with the Buccaneers. It's like coaches are so scared they're going to give up a TD on the return, that they sacrifice the 5-8 seconds that will come off the clock.

Did anyone ask McDermott in the post-game? I didn't see anything later.

The Bucs might have still blown it because they didn't know Cooper Kupp was good. Stafford called a bum play on first down and they still had plenty of time.

 

[SKYDOG]

I'm shocked that this hasn't come up more. Twitter barely mentioned it after the game. Sportscenter had a segment on it this morning but I didn't have the sound on at work. I was arguing for it immediately. Same with the Buccaneers. It's like coaches are so scared they're going to give up a TD on the return, that they sacrifice the 5-8 seconds that will come off the clock.

Did anyone ask McDermott in the post-game? I didn't see anything later.

The Bucs might have still blown it because they didn't know Cooper Kupp was good. Stafford called a bum play on first down and they still had plenty of time.

The DC for Buffalo should be fired for that defensive strategy in the last 13 seconds.

 

[DAG10]

The DC for Buffalo should be fired for that defensive strategy in the last 13 seconds.

He WAS a candidate for HC openings, including Chicago's...NO WAY he can be hired after THAT, and, to your point...he probably should be fired in Buffalo.

 

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He WAS a candidate for HC openings, including Chicago's...NO WAY he can be hired after THAT, and, to your point...he probably should be fired in Buffalo.

Was Frazier an HC before ? I remember him being on one of Dungy’s staffs ?

 

[nat100]

Was Frazier an HC before ? I remember him being on one of Dungy’s staffs ?

Vikings. Wasnt good.

 

[DAG10]

That was easily the greatest weekend of football I’ve seen in my life. All 4 games decided on the final play.

The only negative was realizing exactly how far away the Colts are from contending in the AFC, with Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, etc.

Teams with Wentz or Taneyhill at QB ain’t making deep playoff runs.

Agree...no real rooting interest (I actually was rooting against certain teams more than I was rooting for any team), but, all of the games were incredibly enjoyable and fun to watch.

And, you are spot on...between Mahomes/Allen/Burrow (and, Herbert is not far behind for that matter)...anybody else in the AFC has their work cut out for them, and, Colts are not even close as you pointed out.

After watching the games this weekend...the decision to move on from Wentz should be a really easy one, as, no way the Colts (or anyone else for that matter) is winning with him.

 

[DAG10]

Was Frazier an HC before ? I remember him being on one of Dungy’s staffs ?

Minnesota Vikings

He played for the Bears...tore his ACL in Super Bowl.

 

[DAG10]

The DC for Buffalo should be fired for that defensive strategy in the last 13 seconds.

It was not as though several guys who are/were in the mix for jobs had good weekends...

Leftwich/Bowles in Tampa...neither were impressive on Sunday.

If Bieniemy gets to somehow bring Mahomes/Kelce/Hill...awesome...otherwise...not interested.

Frazier was already discussed, and, should not be a candidate based on what happened.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

It was not as though several guys who are/were in the mix for jobs had good weekends...

Leftwich/Bowles in Tampa...neither were impressive on Sunday.

If Bieniemy gets to somehow bring Mahomes/Kelce/Hill...awesome...otherwise...not interested.

Frazier was already discussed, and, should not be a candidate based on what happened.

And Matt Freaking Eberflus was somehow a candidate for a couple jobs…

 

[DAG10]

And Matt Freaking Eberflus was somehow a candidate for a couple jobs…

Including the Bears, where he might even be a favorite...I would not be excited about that as a Bears fan, but, as a Colts fan also, I would not be disappointed if he were to somehow land a job elsewhere.

 

[PaBoiler78]

Including the Bears, where he might even be a favorite...I would not be excited about that as a Bears fan, but, as a Colts fan also, I would not be disappointed if he were to somehow land a job elsewhere.

Sean Payton is in play now for a new oppt

 

[DAG10]

Sean Payton is in play now for a new oppt

Payton would be the ultimate hire, but, I don't think he is genuinely "in play"...he is under contract with New Orleans still.

Now that he has retired though...am I right that he would be in play after this next season?

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

thought the Bills should have tried a squib kick to KC and take some time off the clock. Nice to see the Rams kicker have redemption in that game. All these Pro kickers banging 55 yarders consistently and his kick when they were up 27 -13 looked like he kicked an under inflated ball.

I'm shocked that this hasn't come up more. Twitter barely mentioned it after the game. Sportscenter had a segment on it this morning but I didn't have the sound on at work. I was arguing for it immediately. Same with the Buccaneers. It's like coaches are so scared they're going to give up a TD on the return, that they sacrifice the 5-8 seconds that will come off the clock.

Did anyone ask McDermott in the post-game? I didn't see anything later.

The Bucs might have still blown it because they didn't know Cooper Kupp was good. Stafford called a bum play on first down and they still had plenty of time.

Yes.....

Regardless of where you come out on the kick-off (and I'm agreeing that squibbing it or something else besides kicking it out of the end-zone would be the best move), I still can't for the life of me figure what the heck they were trying to do at the end of regulation on defense, especially knowing KC had multiple time-outs.

McDermott post-game pretty much can be summed up with "We gotta execute better." A couple of questions focused on the kick-off and one actually raised the point about taking intentional holding calls. "A lot was discussed, and I'll leave it at that." "It goes back to execution, and that starts with me."

Watching the game, when I saw the line-up on the first play I was puzzled. Then they even took a time-out on defense.....if you didn't know better, you'd be thinking they only had to prevent a TD and KC had no time-outs.

Mahomes is phenomenally talented and has some weapons....along with an uncanny sense of what's around him.......but you have to do better than that......those weren't even risky throws he was forced into.

I've seen some great/dramatic games over the years in the Divisional Round, but I can't ever recall a weekend like that with all four games decided on the last play.....if for not Buffalo's meltdown, all four road teams would have advanced, which would have been crazy too.

Feel tough for the Buffalo fans.....they deserve some good fortune. It's Wide Right/Music City Miracle and now 13 seconds. Josh Allen plays like that and is going home to get out the golf clubs, and Jimmy G is playing on saying *(&^ the Packers.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Payton would be the ultimate hire, but, I don't think he is genuinely "in play"...he is under contract with New Orleans still.

Now that he has retired though...am I right that he would be in play after this next season?

I think the Saints would still have to release him from his contract. He has three years remaining, IIRC.

 

[DAG10]

I think the Saints would still have to release him from his contract. He has three years remaining, IIRC.

That is what I don't get...if he retires and is gone for a year, I don't know how they could still deem him to be "under contract". I am confident that the Saints are not paying him for the next three years...thus, there is no contract if that is the case.

That was in part why the Colts elected to still pay Luck...they wanted to retain his rights if he changed his mind or came back after a year out/off.

If the Saints pay him this year...then I would agree that they could contend he is still under contract, but, once they stop paying him, he is no longer an employee, and, thus not under contract it would seem.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

That is what I don't get...if he retires and is gone for a year, I don't know how they could still deem him to be "under contract". I am confident that the Saints are not paying him for the next three years...thus, there is no contract if that is the case.

That was in part why the Colts elected to still pay Luck...they wanted to retain his rights if he changed his mind or came back after a year out/off.

If the Saints pay him this year...then I would agree that they could contend he is still under contract, but, once they stop paying him, he is no longer an employee, and, thus not under contract it would seem.

DAG10,

The way I understand it, the Saints would still have rights under his contract through 2024 even though as you point out, Payton would no longer be an employee. I think another team could hire Payton, but then they'd have to compensate the Saints......not sure if that's draft picks or cash or both. There are specific compensatory draft picks for assistants leaving, but I don't know what happens with a head coach leaving during his former team's contract rights period.

When Gruden left the Raiders to go to Tampa, he was still under contract, and that was actually a trade, IIRC.

 

[DAG10]

DAG10,

The way I understand it, the Saints would still have rights under his contract through 2024 even though as you point out, Payton would no longer be an employee. I think another team could hire Payton, but then they'd have to compensate the Saints......not sure if that's draft picks or cash or both. There are specific compensatory draft picks for assistants leaving, but I don't know what happens with a head coach leaving during his former team's contract rights period.

When Gruden left the Raiders to go to Tampa, he was still under contract, and that was actually a trade, IIRC.

Thanks for the clarification/explanation...admittedly, I don't know that I truly understand it, as, again...if you are not paying them, I don't know how you can still have rights to them...but, I know that even before this announcement today, that there was much talk around "trading" for him, or, compensation that would be involved. I assumed that had to do with the fact that he was still under contract...I just thought that once he left for a year, that, the rights were no longer there...I thought that was true of players, and, as such, would be for a coach as well...but I am apparently wrong.

 

[nat100]

DAG10,

The way I understand it, the Saints would still have rights under his contract through 2024 even though as you point out, Payton would no longer be an employee. I think another team could hire Payton, but then they'd have to compensate the Saints......not sure if that's draft picks or cash or both. There are specific compensatory draft picks for assistants leaving, but I don't know what happens with a head coach leaving during his former team's contract rights period.

When Gruden left the Raiders to go to Tampa, he was still under contract, and that was actually a trade, IIRC.

Patriots had to trade for Belichick too. Its not that un heard of. But youre correct, the Saints retain his rights through the end of the contract.

 

[DAG10]

Patriots had to trade for Belichick too. Its not that un heard of. But youre correct, the Saints retain his rights through the end of the contract.

Thanks as well for that clarification here, like say, I was not aware and did not know that to be the case...still seems a little odd to me, but, it is established seemingly (to your point with Belichick, and, as mentioned with Gruden).

Am I wrong in that it is not true of a player contract?

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Patriots had to trade for Belichick too. Its not that un heard of. But youre correct, the Saints retain his rights through the end of the contract.

Oh yeah, that was when he was coach of the Jets for a day or so.

"We're on to New England."

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Thanks as well for that clarification here, like say, I was not aware and did not know that to be the case...still seems a little odd to me, but, it is established seemingly (to your point with Belichick, and, as mentioned with Gruden).

Am I wrong in that it is not true of a player contract?

Not sure as there are retained rights too, but then there's the collective bargaining agreement with the players as well. I wisely defer to Nat.

 

[nat100]

Thanks as well for that clarification here, like say, I was not aware and did not know that to be the case...still seems a little odd to me, but, it is established seemingly (to your point with Belichick, and, as mentioned with Gruden).

Am I wrong in that it is not true of a player contract?

True of a player too. Patriots traded gronk to Tampa when he wanted to come out of retirement. Same with Marshawn Lynch when he came out of retirement.

 

[DAG10]

True of a player too. Patriots traded gronk to Tampa when he wanted to come out of retirement. Same with Marshawn Lynch when he came out of retirement.

I mean, it makes some sense in that you would essentially otherwise allow anyone to become a FA assuming that they were willing to sit out a year and not get paid, but, admittedly...I did not know that rights could be retained for the duration of a contract...thanks for the responses and clarification/verification.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I mean, it makes some sense in that you would essentially otherwise allow anyone to become a FA assuming that they were willing to sit out a year and not get paid, but, admittedly...I did not know that rights could be retained for the duration of a contract...thanks for the responses and clarification/verification.

Those players mentioned also had received large signing bonuses that were not yet completely amortized.