OT - Mitch vs Cordova

[hunkgolden]

Was at the Missouri game earlier in the year where a real nice mid 30’s brother and sister were sitting in front of us. During the “where’s Mitch” segment, the sister (from Houston) stands up and starts booing and yelling “Bring Back Cordova!” I was really surprised by this as everyone seems to love Mitch and the job he’s doing. Why would anyone want to bring Cordova back?

 

[boiler1987]

Was at the Missouri game earlier in the year where a real nice mid 30’s brother and sister were sitting in front of us. During the “where’s Mitch” segment, the sister (from Houston) stands up and starts booing and yelling “Bring Back Cordova!” I was really surprised by this as everyone seems to love Mitch and the job he’s doing. Why would anyone want to bring Cordova back?

No idea. That’s insane. Mitch is better in every way than Cordova. Remember when Cordova siphoned off $3 million a year from B1G money to fund academic projects? Yikes.

 

[Indy_Rider]

Was at the Missouri game earlier in the year where a real nice mid 30’s brother and sister were sitting in front of us. During the “where’s Mitch” segment, the sister (from Houston) stands up and starts booing and yelling “Bring Back Cordova!” I was really surprised by this as everyone seems to love Mitch and the job he’s doing. Why would anyone want to bring Cordova back?

Best guess, liberal nut job. I do know people who hate Mitch because he was a Republican Governor. Some people can never separate politics from anything and completely judge someone based on their political beliefs.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Was at the Missouri game earlier in the year where a real nice mid 30’s brother and sister were sitting in front of us. During the “where’s Mitch” segment, the sister (from Houston) stands up and starts booing and yelling “Bring Back Cordova!” I was really surprised by this as everyone seems to love Mitch and the job he’s doing. Why would anyone want to bring Cordova back?

They are fans of one of the other 13 B1G schools?

 

[TheGunner]

Best guess, liberal nut job. I do know people who hate Mitch because he was a Republican Governor. Some people can never separate politics from anything and completely judge someone based on their political beliefs.

This. I have had several conversations with people 5 yrs after Mitch left office and they still don’t like him as a governor. Now if they are sending their kids to Purdue that’s another story, because every parent pretty much loves Mitch for reigning in tuition hikes.

I was never a fan of Cordova. My understanding is that she had something like 10 VPs or extra dept heads, but I’m not close enough to know. I know she did divert $s from the AD (which seemed to me to go towards her additional VPs or DHs).

 

[Pu71indy]

Best guess, liberal nut job. I do know people who hate Mitch because he was a Republican Governor. Some people can never separate politics from anything and completely judge someone based on their political beliefs.

As you just did....'liberal nut job'.

 

[nate_h]

I wasn't a fan of Mitch as governor, and as a public school teacher still hold a bit of a grudge against what he did with education in this state.

All of that said, judging by most accounts he's been great at Purdue. He seems to be a great ambassador and fundraiser for the school. Maybe he wasn't the greatest governor (though miles better than Pence) but he seems to be a great president for my university.

People should be able to separate his time as governor from his time as university president... but people are stupid.

 

[Pu71indy]

I wasn't a fan of Mitch as governor, and as a public school teacher still hold a bit of a grudge against what he did with education in this state.

All of that said, judging by most accounts he's been great at Purdue. He seems to be a great ambassador and fundraiser for the school. Maybe he wasn't the greatest governor (though miles better than Pence) but he seems to be a great president for my university.

People should be able to separate his time as governor from his time as university president... but people are stupid.

I was a fan of his as governor but apprehensive as our pres. But I agree he has been great for Purdue. I think even a lot those professors that were against his hiring are on board now.

 

[boiler2288]

One of Cordovas many accomplishments ---creating a new position for her husband and getting him on the university payroll

 

[PumpkinShuckers07]

Was at the Missouri game earlier in the year where a real nice mid 30’s brother and sister were sitting in front of us. During the “where’s Mitch” segment, the sister (from Houston) stands up and starts booing and yelling “Bring Back Cordova!” I was really surprised by this as everyone seems to love Mitch and the job he’s doing. Why would anyone want to bring Cordova back?

Best guess, liberal nut job. I do know people who hate Mitch because he was a Republican Governor. Some people can never separate politics from anything and completely judge someone based on their political beliefs.

I have an aunt that turned her Purdue license plate upside down to protest Mitch’s hiring.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I have an aunt that turned her Purdue license plate upside down to protest Mitch’s hiring.

Wow. I hope you quickly persuaded her to turn it right-side-up if for no other reason than to prevent the appearance that Purdue grads/fans are unable to correctly affix a license plate.

 

[TheGunner]

One of Cordovas many accomplishments ---creating a new position for her husband and getting him on the university payroll

Wow, first I have heard that. My understanding was that the Cordova admin could spend the cash, but that takes my understanding to a new level.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Wow, first I have heard that. My understanding was that the Cordova admin could spend the cash, but that takes my understanding to a new level.

Google it. The job was created for him at $101K per year. He was the only one that held the position and it was eliminated when she left.

 

[Mighty Argyll]

Google it. The job was created for him at $101K per year. He was the only one that held the position and it was eliminated when she left.

Now that, pisses me off!

 

[chaspark]

Google it. The job was created for him at $101K per year. He was the only one that held the position and it was eliminated when she left.

I did and found this:

https://www.purdueexponent.org/campus/article_f9b1cbf4-4adb-56f9-8432-1c96ec018159.html

His job was to coordinate, develop, and facilitate K-12 opportunities at the Discovery Park Centers. It sounds a bit vague, but if he actually did his job, I have no complaint against that. I do wonder what kind of K-12 opportunities could there be at Discovery Park such much that they actually had to hire and pay someone over a hundred grand to manage them.

 

[Wolegib]

Im ok with taking money from athletics for academics. However, I'm not ok with how far Purdue's academic status has fallen during Cordova's tenure as President. Rather than being the best, we've become known as a top 100 school. I cringe when I read national reports that say Rose Holman has a better undergraduate engineering program than Purdue. Nothing against Rose Holman, but that's like losing to a MAC school - something that was once unheard of but now seems to be a frequent event.

 

[chaspark]

Im ok with taking money from athletics for academics. However, I'm not ok with how far Purdue's academic status has fallen during Cordova's tenure as President. Rather than being the best, we've become known as a top 100 school. I cringe when I read national reports that say Rose Holman has a better undergraduate engineering program than Purdue. Nothing against Rose Holman, but that's like losing to a MAC school - something that was once unheard of but now seems to be a frequent event.

Rose H"u"lman is good. They have been the best private college in the country for quite some time now. They do have a point in saying that Rose Hulman has a more cost-effective undergraduate engineering program, but better? I doubt it.

 

[boiler2288]

His job was to coordinate, develop, and facilitate K-12 opportunities at the Discovery Park Centers. It sounds a bit vague, but if he actually did his job, I have no complaint against that. I do wonder what kind of K-12 opportunities could there be at Discovery Park such much that they actually had to hire and pay someone over a hundred grand to manage them.

It was essentially a " make work job " that could have been performed by any number of equally qualified and lower salaried administrative assistants that were part of the Discovery Park Center. He basically setup and oversaw a website which is no longer utilized by the university. I was told that in his 5 yrs here, he traveled extensively on a university expense account that did not support the position. This would seem to meet the definition of "nepotism"?

 

[Roeder]

Google it. The job was created for him at $101K per year. He was the only one that held the position and it was eliminated when she left.

I also heard from someone that Cordova had State Representative Sheila Klinker on Purdue's payroll too. A janitor they know that "cleaned" Klinker's office told them it was never used once in all the time he cleaned that building. She mysteriously went off the payroll when Mitch took over.

 

[Wolegib]

Rose H"u"lman is good. They have been the best private college in the country for quite some time now. They do have a point in saying that Rose Hulman has a more cost-effective undergraduate engineering program, but better? I doubt it.

They are a tremendous engineering school . However, they should never be rated ahead of Purdue. and their undergrad program actually was by one of those college rating services that rates best schools, etc. it was the same for Notre Dame. Should Notre Dame really be rated that much higher academically than Purdue? there was a time where Purdue was known and respected for more than just engineering. It's ag school was one of the best in the country as were pharmacy, nursing, management, computer science, vet school, chemistry and biology.

looking at those national rankings, Purdue's undergrad ratings have really tailed off from what they once were. in the 70's the common uninformed person thought Purdue was one of the Ivy League schools. Now it's known as a school that produces frozen chicken.

Did it all go down hill under Cordova? Or has it been a gradual decline?

 

[lkfletcher14]

I wasn't a fan of Mitch as governor, and as a public school teacher still hold a bit of a grudge against what he did with education in this state.

All of that said, judging by most accounts he's been great at Purdue. He seems to be a great ambassador and fundraiser for the school. Maybe he wasn't the greatest governor (though miles better than Pence) but he seems to be a great president for my university.

People should be able to separate his time as governor from his time as university president... but people are stupid.

I was a public school teacher and I thought Mitch was a great governor.

 

[BoilerTom90]

I have an aunt that turned her Purdue license plate upside down to protest Mitch’s hiring.

I'm sure that really made a point...

 

[BoilerTom90]

I was a public school teacher and I thought Mitch was a great governor.

Compared to what Illinois Governor's have done to the state of Illinois, Indiana out to be grateful that you have had some politicians that try to control costs, and not allow the public unions to financially cripple the state.

 

[pu1985]

One of Cordovas many accomplishments ---creating a new position for her husband and getting him on the university payroll

Yep
That moron had a $150k per year gig sharpening pencils in the student recruitment department.
What a joke.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

They are a tremendous engineering school . However, they should never be rated ahead of Purdue. and their undergrad program actually was by one of those college rating services that rates best schools, etc. it was the same for Notre Dame. Should Notre Dame really be rated that much higher academically than Purdue? there was a time where Purdue was known and respected for more than just engineering. It's ag school was one of the best in the country as were pharmacy, nursing, management, computer science, vet school, chemistry and biology.

looking at those national rankings, Purdue's undergrad ratings have really tailed off from what they once were. in the 70's the common uninformed person thought Purdue was one of the Ivy League schools. Now it's known as a school that produces frozen chicken.

Did it all go down hill under Cordova? Or has it been a gradual decline?

I haven’t seen a single ranking showing Rose above Purdue. And Purdue’s rankings have started to improve with Mitch. They did slide with Cordova for sure.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

Was at the Missouri game earlier in the year where a real nice mid 30’s brother and sister were sitting in front of us. During the “where’s Mitch” segment, the sister (from Houston) stands up and starts booing and yelling “Bring Back Cordova!” I was really surprised by this as everyone seems to love Mitch and the job he’s doing. Why would anyone want to bring Cordova back?

My bet is that she works for NASA.

 

[Wolegib]

I haven’t seen a single ranking showing Rose above Purdue. And Purdue’s rankings have started to improve with Mitch. They did slide with Cordova for sure.

it was in one of those US News & World Report rankings of colleges . and it was for undergraduate engineering programs.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-overall

Rose is ranked 103 in this poll. purdue is ranked over 900.
https://degreescompared.com/topic/20/undergraduate+engineering+programs/?utm_campaign=2SRqpT5&utm_term=college undergraduate engineering school rankings&utm_medium=p&g_ti=kwd-79439940968430:loc-190&g_de=c&g_ci=353763927&g_ai=1271035760333610&utm_content=1&k=engineering school rankings

in this poll, Rose is 6th and Purdue is 13th.
https://blog.prepscholar.com/best-engineering-schools-in-the-us

Some people think Forbes is pretty creditable. in their ranking of top 25 STEM oriented colleges, Rose is 15th, and Purdue didn't make the top 25.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/cartercoudriet/2018/08/20/top-25-stem-colleges-2018/#187f0671f8b4

overall, Forbes rated Rose as 116 and Purdue as 126.
https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/#5c6c2c191987

I think this poll says it best at how Purdue's engineering programs have declined. it lists the top 10 Engineering schools by category. Purdue is ranked 7th in civil engineering which is good. Purdue is ranked 8th in mechanical/aeronautical engineering which is also good. it is not ranked in the to p 10 in electrical, chemical or mining engineering. At one time Purdue was known as having one of the best chemical and electrical engineering programs. And now other schools have passed them.

https://www.topuniversities.com/uni...y-subject-rankings/top-engineering-schools-us


yes, there are many polls out there. But in 15 minutes of searching, I found several national polls that said Rose was better than Purdue. I' m not saying Rose is better. What I' m saying is that these national polls do exist. and in the last millennium before Cordova, Rose wouldn't even be in the same sentence with Purdue. but now, they are, and some think they are even better. I also noticed one poll said Illinois was a better engineering school than Purdue. Purdue's engineering school is no longer as elite as it once was, and it's reputation is declining.

 

[hunkgolden]

My bet is that she works for NASA.

I don't think so because they said she was moving back to Indiana for a job.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

it was in one of those US News & World Report rankings of colleges . and it was for undergraduate engineering programs.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-overall

Rose is ranked 103 in this poll. purdue is ranked over 900.
https://degreescompared.com/topic/20/undergraduate+engineering+programs/?utm_campaign=2SRqpT5&utm_term=college undergraduate engineering school rankings&utm_medium=p&g_ti=kwd-79439940968430:loc-190&g_de=c&g_ci=353763927&g_ai=1271035760333610&utm_content=1&k=engineering school rankings

in this poll, Rose is 6th and Purdue is 13th.
https://blog.prepscholar.com/best-engineering-schools-in-the-us

Some people think Forbes is pretty creditable. in their ranking of top 25 STEM oriented colleges, Rose is 15th, and Purdue didn't make the top 25.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/cartercoudriet/2018/08/20/top-25-stem-colleges-2018/#187f0671f8b4

overall, Forbes rated Rose as 116 and Purdue as 126.
https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/#5c6c2c191987

I think this poll says it best at how Purdue's engineering programs have declined. it lists the top 10 Engineering schools by category. Purdue is ranked 7th in civil engineering which is good. Purdue is ranked 8th in mechanical/aeronautical engineering which is also good. it is not ranked in the to p 10 in electrical, chemical or mining engineering. At one time Purdue was known as having one of the best chemical and electrical engineering programs. And now other schools have passed them.

https://www.topuniversities.com/uni...y-subject-rankings/top-engineering-schools-us


yes, there are many polls out there. But in 15 minutes of searching, I found several national polls that said Rose was better than Purdue. I' m not saying Rose is better. What I' m saying is that these national polls do exist. and in the last millennium before Cordova, Rose wouldn't even be in the same sentence with Purdue. but now, they are, and some think they are even better. I also noticed one poll said Illinois was a better engineering school than Purdue. Purdue's engineering school is no longer as elite as it once was, and it's reputation is declining.

US News doesn’t compare Rose to Purdue. You’ve linked top Engineering schools that don’t have doctorate programs. Purdue isn’t even considered. And one of your polls doesn’t have Purdue in the top 900? Come on.

We were top 10 in USNews report this year. I’ve often conplained about the USN methodology before and I don’t think it is as good as AWRU for one example. But we have multiple degrees that are top 5.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

If you’re actually in college academics, this is considered the definitive ranking due to its methodology.

http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2018.html

ARWU. This year Purdue is ranked the 70th best university in the world tied with Rice. 7th in the Big Ten. I believe USNews had us 5th in the Big Ten.

I didn’t see Rose in the top 500.

 

[njm8845]

If you’re actually in college academics, this is considered the definitive ranking due to its methodology.

http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2018.html

ARWU. This year Purdue is ranked the 70th best university in the world tied with Rice. 7th in the Big Ten. I believe USNews had us 5th in the Big Ten.

I didn’t see Rose in the top 500.

FYI, Purdue is ranked the 17th best public school by my count.

 

[Wolegib]

US News doesn’t compare Rose to Purdue. You’ve linked top Engineering schools that don’t have doctorate programs. Purdue isn’t even considered. And one of your polls doesn’t have Purdue in the top 900? Come on.

We were top 10 in USNews report this year. I’ve often conplained about the USN methodology before and I don’t think it is as good as AWRU for one example. But we have multiple degrees that are top 5.

Those were not MY polls or MY beliefs. I just showed several polls of national rankings to support my previous post/statement that these polls do exist. And in the minds of some, Rose is thought to be a better engineering school than Purdue. And this was never the case before Cordova.

And if you doubt my words about that one poll, you obviously didn't take the time to read the 20 pages of the link, did you? if you're going to open your mouth and criticize a link, at least take the time to read it before doing so, otherwise, you look and appear rather ignorant.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

Those were not MY polls or MY beliefs. I just showed several polls of national rankings to support my previous post/statement that these polls do exist. And in the minds of some, Rose is thought to be a better engineering school than Purdue. And this was never the case before Cordova.

And if you doubt my words about that one poll, you obviously didn't take the time to read the 20 pages of the link, did you? if you're going to open your mouth and criticize a link, at least take the time to read it before doing so, otherwise, you look and appear rather ignorant.

So we are clear. A blog is not a poll.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

Those were not MY polls or MY beliefs. I just showed several polls of national rankings to support my previous post/statement that these polls do exist. And in the minds of some, Rose is thought to be a better engineering school than Purdue. And this was never the case before Cordova.

And if you doubt my words about that one poll, you obviously didn't take the time to read the 20 pages of the link, did you? if you're going to open your mouth and criticize a link, at least take the time to read it before doing so, otherwise, you look and appear rather ignorant.

There was no methodology listed. That’s the first sign it’s not legit.

 

[Wolegib]

There was no methodology listed. That’s the first sign it’s not legit.

If you read all of the articles you will see that some include factors and some don't it's your choice to believe the factors or not.

You seem to be missing the entire point. Purdue used to be an elite engineering school. Now in some areas where we were great, we're not even ranked in the top 10. And in some people's opinion we're .not even the best in the Big 10. Times have changed.

Your choice: you can believe Forbes and the other rankings or not. But they do exist. And many people outside of Purdue believe them to be creditable.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

If you read all of the articles you will see that some include factors and some don't it's your choice to believe the factors or not.

You seem to be missing the entire point. Purdue used to be an elite engineering school. Now in some areas where we were great, we're not even ranked in the top 10. And in some people's opinion we're .not even the best in the Big 10. Times have changed.

Your choice: you can believe Forbes and the other rankings or not. But they do exist. And many people outside of Purdue believe them to be creditable.

By any reputable ranking Purdue overall engineering is top 10 in the country. I consider that elite. I guess you don’t. Have we slipped? Yes. I’m an engineering grad and when I was in school we were around 6th (early 90s). Now we are more like 8-10. We’ve always been comparable to Illinois...at least as long as I can remember.

I want to see us continue to improve and I think we are. The investments we are making in the engineering schools are strong and well overdue. Grissom Hall was an embarrassment for decades. Armstrong Hall is amazing. The research park is world class.

I hire engineers continually. I’ve hired engineers from every top 10 school except Cal Tech. Purdue engineers are every bit as talented as any of the others. Simply look at the WSJ recruiter rankings and you’ll see the perception of Purdue engineering is top notch.

 

[Dandelion1972]

I was a public school teacher and I thought Mitch was a great governor.

Me too!

 

[Wolegib]

By any reputable ranking Purdue overall engineering is top 10 in the country. I consider that elite. I guess you don’t. Have we slipped? Yes. I’m an engineering grad and when I was in school we were around 6th (early 90s). Now we are more like 8-10. We’ve always been comparable to Illinois...at least as long as I can remember.

I want to see us continue to improve and I think we are. The investments we are making in the engineering schools are strong and well overdue. Grissom Hall was an embarrassment for decades. Armstrong Hall is amazing. The research park is world class.

I hire engineers continually. I’ve hired engineers from every top 10 school except Cal Tech. Purdue engineers are every bit as talented as any of the others. Simply look at the WSJ recruiter rankings and you’ll see the perception of Purdue engineering is top notch.

Reputable and creditable. Do you consider Forbes creditable? I do.

There are many reports that still include Purdue as a top 5 engineering school. it all depends on the criteria they prefer to use. Purdue still puts out quality engineers. But are they really that much better than the engineers who graduated from Rose Hulmann, UW, Michigan, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Northwestern, OSU, PSU, SIU Edwardsville? I know what the answer would be from a Purdue engineering grad.

A question I'll ask. As a youth 40 years ago, when it came to engineering, I only thought about three schools - MIT, Purdue and Stanford. And Purdue was considered the best in Aeronautical engineering and top 3 in EE and Chemical Engineering. But now there seems to be many excellent engineering schools and choices. Has Purdue engineering slipped? or have the other schools stepped up and improved their school's programs to be on par with Purdue?

I'm more of the opinion that Purdue's engineering program is still one of the greatest in the world. but in saying that, I also believe other schools now also have great programs. A Purdue engineering degree is still something to proud of. But an engineering degree from Rose, Illinois, Notre Dame, UW and Northwestern are nothing to sneeze at or look down upon either.

 

[BoilerStutz]

Comparing Cordova to Mitch is ridiculous. She spent all her time in the Purdue jet seeing her buddies in CA - she consumed resources. Mitch simply creates and delivers outstanding value to all Purdue stakeholders.

 

[rjmpu82]

My family has 3 Purdue grads, myself and my 2 kids. Purdue served all of us EXTREMELY well. I don't care about rankings. As far as VALUE goes, you won't find a better place to get a quality education at a very reasonable price. Purdue education, value and job placement is excellent. As for Cordova and Mitch, my kids were there for both. They hated Cordova. She wanted to get rid of the name Boilermakers and instead use the term Makers. Mitch was everywhere on campus. My daughter had dinner with him at her sorority. My son saw him all the time at the Co-Rec. As for being a good governor, I would have given him a lifetime appointment if such a thing were possible. Purdue should keep him as long as possible. His nickname as governor among the state legislators was "The Blade." He cut the pork and the waste both in the state of Indiana and at Purdue. A lot of people didn't care for that, but in my own opinion, that's why I would give him the job for life....either job, governor or Purdue president.