OT: ACC what happens next? VA Tech POV

[Thordog]

My son got accepted to VA Tech and I've been kinda following them since Purdue played there a couple of seasons ago. This is a well written and thought out article about the end of Grant of Rights agreement. Personally, I'd welcome VA Tech to the B1G.

The End: What Happens to the ACC and Where does Virginia Tech Go?

As the various settlements are signed and ratified... The topic here, is the FSU, Clemson etc. Settlement with the ACC and what that could mean to the conference and to Virginia Tech. Take the polls in this one. Nothing is set in stone yet, but changes are absolutely going to happen. GO...

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[Riveting-]

Gobble UP

 

[Thordog]

Gobble UP

It is a funny site name

 

[FortWaynePurdueBoiler]

Interesting article. VT is in a difficult spot.

The B10 should pluck off UNC first. Maybe FSU too. I don’t see much of a case to add any other ACC teams - ND not really considered an ACC team.

 

[Riveting-]

Anyone kindly care to summarize for those of us too lazy to read it?

 

[Chi-Boiler]

I didn't read it word-for-word, but it's clear that the 2030 date, if held, will result in more upheaval than we just saw with the blow-out of the Pac-randomnumber. I hadn't really heard that much scuttlebutt about FSU coming to the B1G, but at this point in the atmosphere, anything is clearly possible. Go back 4 years and tell someone Washington is going to be a member of the B1G. No, not Wash U in St. Louis.

You have to feel sorry for the Virginia Tech's of the world. These are some excellent schools with mostly good athletic programs. But they don't have the money or elongated success to compete in this current landscape. I often think that if the shoe was on another foot, and somehow the ACC (with ND influence) had grown like the B1G did, where would Purdue stand in that landscape? Would we be just like a random ACC team that's left twisting in the wind? I'd have to think so.

Is there a viable alternative for what's left of the ACC to join forces with the Big 12? Do something that's more geographical? Take Cincinnati, West Virginia, UConn???, Memphis??, and send Stanford and Cal back to the Big 12?

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Anyone kindly care to summarize for those of us too lazy to read it?

Basically in 2030, the ACC "deal" is over, and the top of the league is pretty much set on moving out. So the rest of the league is stuck without any big time brands. They can't possibly compete, especially in football.

 

[Riveting-]

Basically in 2030, the ACC "deal" is over, and the top of the league is pretty much set on moving out. So the rest of the league is stuck without any big time brands. They can't possibly compete, especially in football.

Thanks. Maybe the Big 12 will take them.

Where do the toppers think they can go?

 

[Thordog]

I didn't read it word-for-word, but it's clear that the 2030 date, if held, will result in more upheaval than we just saw with the blow-out of the Pac-randomnumber. I hadn't really heard that much scuttlebutt about FSU coming to the B1G, but at this point in the atmosphere, anything is clearly possible. Go back 4 years and tell someone Washington is going to be a member of the B1G. No, not Wash U in St. Louis.

You have to feel sorry for the Virginia Tech's of the world. These are some excellent schools with mostly good athletic programs. But they don't have the money or elongated success to compete in this current landscape. I often think that if the shoe was on another foot, and somehow the ACC (with ND influence) had grown like the B1G did, where would Purdue stand in that landscape? Would we be just like a random ACC team that's left twisting in the wind? I'd have to think so.

Is there a viable alternative for what's left of the ACC to join forces with the Big 12? Do something that's more geographical? Take Cincinnati, West Virginia, UConn???, Memphis??, and send Stanford and Cal back to the Big 12?

Fortunatly, the Big Ten had better leadership and vision. I'd agree if the shoe was on Purdues foot, then I could see Purdue being left out.

The Grant of Rights move was a panic move when Maryland left. Maryland athletics was financially strapped at that time & jumped with open arms to the B1G. The really poor decision was the lengthy TV deal with ESPN. That put them so far behind in a matter of a couple of years and their ACC channel was never the money maker the Big Ten Network is.

FSU was rumored to the Big Ten when they sued the ACC to get out of the GoR & withdrawal penalties. Also, because Florida won't allow them in the SEC. I think there's even state legislation on it. They also are pursuing AAU membership which some have suggested was an indication they're going to the Big Ten.

The ACC has some great schools and not many fit the SEC culture. They're having a great baseball year. Lots of people are tired of the conference realignment stuff and I'd like to see the ACC fight it out and get a better Media rights deal. Guess it depend on what kind of deal they get and how greedy the Big Ten and SEC are for new names.

 

[pboiler18]

If you’re talking the move to 3 24 team “super leagues” I could see there being room for basically everybody who was wanted in a major league finding a home. If the expansion was to only 20, I could see a school like VA Tech getting left out.

If the BIG were to add 2 to get to 20 I think it’s UNC and FSU and done. If it added 6 you’d see UVA, Georgia Tech (tv market) definitely get snapped up with overtures to maybe Duke for basketball

 

[Chi-Boiler]

If you’re talking the move to 3 24 team “super leagues” I could see there being room for basically everybody who was wanted in a major league finding a home. If the expansion was to only 20, I could see a school like VA Tech getting left out.

If the BIG were to add 2 to get to 20 I think it’s UNC and FSU and done. If it added 6 you’d see UVA, Georgia Tech (tv market) definitely get snapped up with overtures to maybe Duke for basketball

Over the years we've also heard rumors of Pitt and Syracuse. Not sure if they were ever legit rumors but they have to start somewhere.

 

[Purdue58]

Over the years we've also heard rumors of Pitt and Syracuse. Not sure if they were ever legit rumors but they have to

 

[PaBoiler78]

Over the years we've also heard rumors of Pitt and Syracuse. Not sure if they were ever legit rumors but they have to start somewhere.

would love that, would get to see some Boiler away games

 

[POTFHBTFU]

Over the years we've also heard rumors of Pitt and Syracuse. Not sure if they were ever legit rumors but they have to start somewhere.

That was when they were chasing TV market shares. Highly doubtful as it would likely reduce payouts we barely got Oregon and Washington in at reduced payouts.

 

[Quix0te]

Fortunatly, the Big Ten had better leadership and vision. I'd agree if the shoe was on Purdues foot, then I could see Purdue being left out.

The Grant of Rights move was a panic move when Maryland left. Maryland athletics was financially strapped at that time & jumped with open arms to the B1G. The really poor decision was the lengthy TV deal with ESPN. That put them so far behind in a matter of a couple of years and their ACC channel was never the money maker the Big Ten Network is.

FSU was rumored to the Big Ten when they sued the ACC to get out of the GoR & withdrawal penalties. Also, because Florida won't allow them in the SEC. I think there's even state legislation on it. They also are pursuing AAU membership which some have suggested was an indication they're going to the Big Ten.

The ACC has some great schools and not many fit the SEC culture. They're having a great baseball year. Lots of people are tired of the conference realignment stuff and I'd like to see the ACC fight it out and get a better Media rights deal. Guess it depend on what kind of deal they get and how greedy the Big Ten and SEC are for new names.

The B1G's only possible additions from the ACC are FSU, Miami or Clemson. My hunch is that the SEC would take Clemson and FSU to prevent them from going to the B1G. Notre Dame is not joining the B1G nor the ACC for the SEC nor any other conference in football.

 

[johnboiler123]

That was when they were chasing TV market shares. Highly doubtful as it would likely reduce payouts we barely got Oregon and Washington in at reduced payouts.

Neither schools are intriguing and both would reduce our yearly payout. Can’t imagine any scenario where they get an invite. FSU or maybe Miami seems likely. UNC would be a good addition but I feel like they might be waiting for the SEC. B1G needs to expand into the south imo.

 

[Quix0te]

UNC would be a good addition but I feel like they might be waiting for the SEC.

UNC brings nothing in football and I doubt they get invited to the SEC or B1G. Some fans might tune in this year in hope's of seeing Bilichick's girlfriend in the stands, but longterm they don'tbring enough to the table.

 

[johnboiler123]

UNC brings nothing in football and I doubt they get invited to the SEC or B1G. Some fans might tune in this year in hope's of seeing Bilichick's girlfriend in the stands, but longterm they don'tbring enough to the table.

They bring a lot of $$$. Also, bilichick is a clown. That’s the type of girl you keep on the down low. Not broadcast to the entire world you’re wifing up a gold digger.

 

[Quix0te]

They bring a lot of $$$. Also, bilichick is a clown. That’s the type of girl you keep on the down low. Not broadcast to the entire world you’re wifing up a gold digger.

They do NOT bring a lot of money. UNC is not among the top football schools for TV viewers and they are a only # 6 in viewership in the lowly ACC, behind skanks like Duke and Louisville. UNC brings nothing to the table for either the SEC or the B1G.

What college football teams are the most popular to watch on TV?

College football ratings for the season show the top network, top schools and top conferences for all of 2023.

sportsnaut.com

 

[POTFHBTFU]

UNC brings nothing in football and I doubt they get invited to the SEC or B1G. Some fans might tune in this year in hope's of seeing Bilichick's girlfriend in the stands, but longterm they don'tbring enough to the table.

This was my initial position but have pivoted based on feedback I’ve seen on boards. I think they could have a strong media presence in the SEC and B1G and having them would introduce a lot of new viewers. For example ND has big viewers but id rather UNC fans who bring new pool of viewers that would watch big ten games instead of cannibalizing the same viewers.

 

[Riveting-]

They do NOT bring a lot of money. UNC is not among the top football schools for TV viewers and they are a only # 6 in viewership in the lowly ACC, behind skanks like Duke and Louisville. UNC brings nothing to the table for either the SEC or the B1G.

What college football teams are the most popular to watch on TV?

College football ratings for the season show the top network, top schools and top conferences for all of 2023.

sportsnaut.com

Iowa and Duke make me wonder about the validity of that list.

 

[Quix0te]

Iowa and Duke make me wonder about the validity of that list.

Yeah, but Duke was 9-3 last year after a 5-0 start and Iowa was 8-4, so both probably had more fans watching than usual.

 

[Riveting-]

Yeah, but Duke was 9-3 last year after a 5-0 start and Iowa was 8-4, so both probably had more fans watching than usual.

I guess. On that basis, I would expect iu to be up there with dook.

 

[Tommaker]

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My son got accepted to VA Tech and I've been kinda following them since Purdue played there a couple of seasons ago. This is a well written and thought out article about the end of Grant of Rights agreement. Personally, I'd welcome VA Tech to the B1G.

The End: What Happens to the ACC and Where does Virginia Tech Go?

As the various settlements are signed and ratified... The topic here, is the FSU, Clemson etc. Settlement with the ACC and what that could mean to the conference and to Virginia Tech. Take the polls in this one. Nothing is set in stone yet, but changes are absolutely going to happen. GO...

www.gobblercountry.com

I remember Beemer ball when for a time, they were in the hunt for the NC for a span of years.

 

[Thordog]

They do NOT bring a lot of money. UNC is not among the top football schools for TV viewers and they are a only # 6 in viewership in the lowly ACC, behind skanks like Duke and Louisville. UNC brings nothing to the table for either the SEC or the B1G.

What college football teams are the most popular to watch on TV?

College football ratings for the season show the top network, top schools and top conferences for all of 2023.

sportsnaut.com

A good deal of their viewership numbers the past couple of season for UNC have been tied to playing fewer big names in the conference. UNC doesn't get to play the big names every year and the ACC has fewer big names to begin with. Hell last year, their big TV viewership games were MN, FSU and GA Tech. Just like Purdue's viewership goes way up when they play ND, PSU, OSU and Michigan in the same season. When they get to play ND, Miami, Clemson and FSU in the same season, their numbers look significantly higher.

As for Belichick, it will be interesting to see how the numbers change with him on the sideline. People will check in to see if he fails or succeeds. He definitely puts a spot light on UNC.

 

[Thordog]

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I remember Beemer ball when for a time, they were in the hunt for the NC for a span of years.

yeah. that's back when they were in the Big East - they had several top 10 year end rankings even after they joined the ACC. They had a really long stretch of being ranked in the top 25 even after Frank left. Brent Pry was basically starting from scratch when he replaced Fuente a few years ago and at a time when the ACC was already behind the SEC and B1G for $.

 

[Wolegib]

Looking at this article and today’s ruling about NIL, I can see a lot of changes coming to college football between now and. 2030. The B1G and SEC are already using their power to change the college football playoffs.

One change that may become a reality is. ND may be forced to have their football team join a conference or not being able to participate in any post season tournament in football or basketball.

This article points out the most likely teams to join the B1G are UNC and FSU. But also speculates the B1G could expand to 24 teams. And a lot of other ACC teams like Georgia tech and virgins tech and Miami and Clemson and Duke and nd could be possibilities.

The year 2030 is given because that is the year the ACC contract with ESPN is concluded. And it is expected that ESPN won’t renew it and teams will be allowed to to leave.

What is not being said is there are many current ongoing lawsuits. And teams like Clemson, FSU and Miami. May find a way to buy their way out of the ACC Before 2030 much like USC and Texas did. Sure they are under contract. Money creates and breaks contracts.

 

[johnboiler123]

They do NOT bring a lot of money. UNC is not among the top football schools for TV viewers and they are a only # 6 in viewership in the lowly ACC, behind skanks like Duke and Louisville. UNC brings nothing to the table for either the SEC or the B1G.

What college football teams are the most popular to watch on TV?

College football ratings for the season show the top network, top schools and top conferences for all of 2023.

sportsnaut.com

They bring arguably the most storied basketball program in the history of college sports, a football program that they're clearly investing in, a whole entire state worth of fans, and yes, a ton of money as well. Oh yeah, and they're AAU so they bring in research money that dwarfs anything from the athletic side. To say they add nothing is simply NOT true.

 

[Quix0te]

They bring arguably the most storied basketball program in the history of college sports, a football program that they're clearly investing in, a whole entire state worth of fans, and yes, a ton of money as well. Oh yeah, and they're AAU so they bring in research money that dwarfs anything from the athletic side. To say they add nothing is simply NOT true.

I understand all of that and I didn't saythey would add nothing. Problem is, they don't add enough eyeballs to football programming. Those are the numbers used by conferences to determine who they want.

 

[johnboiler123]

I understand all of that and I didn't saythey would add nothing. Problem is, they don't add enough eyeballs to football programming. Those are the numbers used by conferences to determine who they want.

A lot more goes into it than that, otherwise Rutgers and Maryland never would have been added. Also you literally said they add nothing.

“UNC brings nothing to the table for either the SEC or the B1G.“

 

[Quix0te]

A lot more goes into it than that, otherwise Rutgers and Maryland never would have been added. Also you literally said they add nothing.

“UNC brings nothing to the table for either the SEC or the B1G.“

It was a different situation when the B1G added Rutgers and Maryland. The focus back then was to capture large TV markets for the Big Ten Network. That is now small potatoes and Rutgers and Maryland would never get in today. The SEC and B1G now want schools that bring in the most eyeballs for those huge national TV contracts.

 

[johnboiler123]

It was a different situation when the B1G added Rutgers and Maryland. The focus back then was to capture large TV markets for the Big Ten Network. That is now small potatoes and Rutgers and Maryland would never get in today. The SEC and B1G now want schools that bring in the most eyeballs for those huge national TV contracts.

UNC is the top university in a large state. They bring a lot of eyeballs and help us expand into the south. Their basketball program is a national brand as well.

 

[Wolegib]

The question should be: you are the BIG. You can have any team in the ACC. Each of them has something nice to offer.

And the B1G will probably get first pick over the SEC. If you are the BIG, who would you pick? Virginia Tech would not be my first choice. It would not even be my 6th choice!

My personal choices would be Notre Dame and Duke. I could see the B1G expanding to 24 teams. Maybe pick up Georgia Tech, UNC, FSU, and Miami or Louisville.

Or maybe the SEC would restructure. And pick up Miami, FSU and Clemson and a couple others and send Texas A&M and Missouri to the B1G.

A question I would have would be about Duke, nd and UNC. If they didn’t come to the B1G, where would they go? I highly doubt given a choice, the SEC would want them and I highly doubt ND would want to be part of the SEC.

 

[Thordog]

Looking at this article and today’s ruling about NIL, I can see a lot of changes coming to college football between now and. 2030. The B1G and SEC are already using their power to change the college football playoffs.

One change that may become a reality is. ND may be forced to have their football team join a conference or not being able to participate in any post season tournament in football or basketball.

This article points out the most likely teams to join the B1G are UNC and FSU. But also speculates the B1G could expand to 24 teams. And a lot of other ACC teams like Georgia tech and virgins tech and Miami and Clemson and Duke and nd could be possibilities.

The year 2030 is given because that is the year the ACC contract with ESPN is concluded. And it is expected that ESPN won’t renew it and teams will be allowed to to leave.

What is not being said is there are many current ongoing lawsuits. And teams like Clemson, FSU and Miami. May find a way to buy their way out of the ACC Before 2030 much like USC and Texas did. Sure they are under contract. Money creates and breaks contracts.

the way the college football playoffs work now, ND has less pressure to join a conference.

 

[Thordog]

The question should be: you are the BIG. You can have any team in the ACC. Each of them has something nice to offer.

And the B1G will probably get first pick over the SEC. If you are the BIG, who would you pick? Virginia Tech would not be my first choice. It would not even be my 6th choice!

My personal choices would be Notre Dame and Duke. I could see the B1G expanding to 24 teams. Maybe pick up Georgia Tech, UNC, FSU, and Miami or Louisville.

Or maybe the SEC would restructure. And pick up Miami, FSU and Clemson and a couple others and send Texas A&M and Missouri to the B1G.

A question I would have would be about Duke, nd and UNC. If they didn’t come to the B1G, where would they go? I highly doubt given a choice, the SEC would want them and I highly doubt ND would want to be part of the SEC.

IF the ACC disbands, it will be FSU 1st. UNC and Virginia have been mentioned as a targets as well. GA Tech makes a lot of sense IMO - maybe Miami.

I think it's more viable to go to a 16 team playoff. Keep the ACC intact, build out each conference to 20ish teams. (PAC 2 is already expanding so might have to give some room for the new G5s) and leave ND as ND wants to be.

However, it will be the networks that decide how this plays out...

 

[Quix0te]

the way the college football playoffs work now, ND has less pressure to join a conference.

Exactly. And the ACC groveling and arse-lickin' to accommodate them gives them no reason to join a conference.

 

[Quix0te]

IF the ACC disbands, it will be FSU 1st. UNC and Virginia have been mentioned as a targets as well. GA Tech makes a lot of sense IMO - maybe Miami.

I think it's more viable to go to a 16 team playoff. Keep the ACC intact, build out each conference to 20ish teams. (PAC 2 is already expanding so might have to give some room for the new G5s) and leave ND as ND wants to be.

However, it will be the networks that decide how this plays out...

The expanded playoff has made conference championship games obsolete. We need to cancel all CCGs and expanded the playoff to 32 teams. A 32-team playoff more than triples the games for TV, gives every conference a seat at the table and reduces the season duration by three weeks. This 32-team format has no conflicts with the NFL playoffs and the season would end on New Year's Day. Most notably, the Big Ten and the SEC would probably each land 8-10 teams into the playoff every year and their playoff payouts would double or triple.

Start the season on Week 0, something that has been proposed many times.

Give autobids to all four P4 champs and all five G5 champs. No conference gets more than one autobid. The autobids go to the four P4 champs and the five G5 champs only.

Seed the teams in the playoff as is done in March Madness, e.g., four #1 seeds, four #2 seeds, etc. Place the seeds in brackets that avoid repeat games to the greatest extent possible. Also, spread out teams from the same conference to the greatest extent possible to minimize same-conference games in the playoff.

As I said before, cancel all conference championship games.

“Rivalry Weekend” (Bama vs Auburn, etc.) would then be the week before Thanksgiving. This is actually better for most colleges because the students are still on campus.

Round One of the playoff, a 16-game extravaganza, is then played over the 4-day Turkey Holiday.

Round Two of 8 games is the first weekend in December.

Round Three of 4 games is the second weekend in December.

Round Four of 2 games is the third weekend in December.

NC game is then Dec 31 or New Year’s Day.

 

[Thordog]

The expanded playoff has made conference championship games obsolete. We need to cancel all CCGs and expanded the playoff to 32 teams. A 32-team playoff more than triples the games for TV, gives every conference a seat at the table and reduces the season duration by three weeks. This 32-team format has no conflicts with the NFL playoffs and the season would end on New Year's Day. Most notably, the Big Ten and the SEC would probably each land 8-10 teams into the playoff every year and their playoff payouts would double or triple.

Start the season on Week 0, something that has been proposed many times.

Give autobids to all four P4 champs and all five G5 champs. No conference gets more than one autobid. The autobids go to the four P4 champs and the five G5 champs only.

Seed the teams in the playoff as is done in March Madness, e.g., four #1 seeds, four #2 seeds, etc. Place the seeds in brackets that avoid repeat games to the greatest extent possible. Also, spread out teams from the same conference to the greatest extent possible to minimize same-conference games in the playoff.

As I said before, cancel all conference championship games.

“Rivalry Weekend” (Bama vs Auburn, etc.) would then be the week before Thanksgiving. This is actually better for most colleges because the students are still on campus.

Round One of the playoff, a 16-game extravaganza, is then played over the 4-day Turkey Holiday.

Round Two of 8 games is the first weekend in December.

Round Three of 4 games is the second weekend in December.

Round Four of 2 games is the third weekend in December.

NC game is then Dec 31 or New Year’s Day.

I could see a larger playoff format happening. College sports needs to keep the underdog stories and opportunities alive to be a success IMO. I don't think the conference champ games go away - those are too much rev as of now and university athletic departments are looking for all the revenue they can find. Purdue is already asking for more donations to offset the revenue share. Conference champ games could be played over Thanksgiving weekend.

 

[awthomps]

I anticipate that by 2030 one super league will emerge in college football outside of ncaa control. TV revenues aren’t guaranteed to grow, but expenses will skyrocket to run these football programs…something will have to give. Are the top 30 teams going to continue losing money (Ohio State ran a $38 million deficit last season despite a natty)?

We all know there’s dead weight in both the SEC and B1G on the revenue side, and the ability for elite programs to outspend everyone else the gap will grow. Can’t see why either would want anyone other than Clemson, maybe FSU from the ACC.

 

[Quix0te]

Conference champ games could be played over Thanksgiving weekend.

Conference championship games are dead with the expanded playoff. With the P4, both the CCG winner and loser get invited to the playoff. With the new format, the CCG winner no longer gets a top four seed and first round bye. So what's the purpose?