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Open the schools or else.

Those videos had nothing to do with the Clintons. Did you even watch them?

Also, you thought Hillary would be easier to recover from?? WTF are you smoking? The worst thing you guys can come up with against Trump are that he lies on twitter a lot. Otherwise, everyone that has actually been paying attention can see that Trump has been great for the economy and minorities as a whole. Every single friend I have that vote Dem (that I've been able to talk to) has even said to me recently (one of them was just yesterday) that if it weren't for the pandemic and Trump acting like a child on twitter, he could have gone down as one of the greatest presidents ever. That was a Democrat saying that.

Crack is a powerful drug - seek help !
 
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He acts just like him (Authoritarian, racist, vengeful, wants armed forces whether military/white supremacists/gangs loyal to him, thinks he is above all laws, etc..) - just doesn't have the same power.

Has he invaded foreign nations? Mass imprisoned/enslaved/killed people? Centralized power and taken control of major industries? No

He isn't racist or anything close to a white supremacist, anyone who can laugh at Arsenio Hall's jokes isn't racist.

He has been anything but authoritarian, especially in the COVID pandemic. He has cut federal regulations (reducing the power of executive agencies) He could have easily centralized power, created an enormous new agency to be as awesome as The Department of Homeland Security. Instead he put as much power into the states' hands, with federal support, as he could. Does an authoritarian do that? No
 
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Has he invaded foreign nations? Mass imprisoned/enslaved/killed people? Centralized power and taken control of major industries? No

He isn't racist or anything close to a white supremacist, anyone who can laugh at Arsenio Hall's jokes isn't racist.

He has been anything but authoritarian, especially in the COVID pandemic. He has cut federal regulations (reducing the power of executive agencies) He could have easily centralized power, created an enormous new agency to be as awesome as The Department of Homeland Security. Instead he put as much power into the states' hands, with federal support, as he could. Does an authoritarian do that? No
He absolutely did not put power in the state's hands. He put responsibility on them.

Did you notice he tried to order states to open again, claiming he had the "ultimate authority"? Said it several times. Now he's ordering the schools to open. He's said many times article 2 lets him do whatever he wants. He tried to have his political enemies arrested. He's love to shut down any media that's against him.

No, he's not authoritarian.

He's tried to be like Hitler and take over everything but our constitution got in his way.

He hasn't started wars or committed genocide. Other than that......if left to his own devices......he would operate the he same as Hitler. Well, he probably wouldn't have his political enemies killed, just jailed. Lock her up right? Or was he just joking?
 
He acts just like him (Authoritarian, racist, vengeful, wants armed forces whether military/white supremacists/gangs loyal to him, thinks he is above all laws, etc..) - just doesn't have the same power.
Pretty much none of that fits with him. JFC

What has he done that is authoritarian?
Racist?
White supremacists? GTFOH
 
He absolutely did not put power in the state's hands. He put responsibility on them.

Did you notice he tried to order states to open again, claiming he had the "ultimate authority"? Said it several times. Now he's ordering the schools to open. He's said many times article 2 lets him do whatever he wants. He tried to have his political enemies arrested. He's love to shut down any media that's against him.

No, he's not authoritarian.

He's tried to be like Hitler and take over everything but our constitution got in his way.

He hasn't started wars or committed genocide. Other than that......if left to his own devices......he would operate the he same as Hitler. Well, he probably wouldn't have his political enemies killed, just jailed. Lock her up right? Or was he just joking?
If he was authoritarian, he wouldn't let the constitution get in the way. You guys are so full of shit on the authoritarian, racist, white supremacist BS. Your examples are so weak. He says he has final word. So ****ing what. If he doesn't do something to try to make it that way, he's just blowing hot air, if that's what he actually said.
 
He absolutely did not put power in the state's hands. He put responsibility on them.

Did you notice he tried to order states to open again, claiming he had the "ultimate authority"? Said it several times. Now he's ordering the schools to open. He's said many times article 2 lets him do whatever he wants. He tried to have his political enemies arrested. He's love to shut down any media that's against him.

No, he's not authoritarian.

He's tried to be like Hitler and take over everything but our constitution got in his way.

He hasn't started wars or committed genocide. Other than that......if left to his own devices......he would operate the he same as Hitler. Well, he probably wouldn't have his political enemies killed, just jailed. Lock her up right? Or was he just joking?

He has threatened withholding an executive agency's funds from schools who aren't using the funds as the federal government wants. Something every president has done for years.

He would be more authoritarian if he didn't have a pesky piece if paper? Germany also had a constitution at the time that didn't include a dictator.

He hasn't committed genocide, started wars, nor is authoritarian. But other than those 3 major components of being Adolf Hitler he is just like him...
 
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He has threatened withholding an executive agency's funds from schools who aren't using the funds as the federal government wants. Something every president has done for years.

He would be more authoritarian if he didn't have a pesky piece if paper? Germany also had a constitution at the time that didn't include a dictator.

He hasn't committed genocide, started wars, nor is authoritarian. But other than those 3 major components of being Adolf Hitler he is just like him...


Hitler didn't start out doing that either. If you're gonna make/deny the comparison, at least look at the actual history.
 
He has threatened withholding an executive agency's funds from schools who aren't using the funds as the federal government wants. Something every president has done for years.

He would be more authoritarian if he didn't have a pesky piece if paper? Germany also had a constitution at the time that didn't include a dictator.

He hasn't committed genocide, started wars, nor is authoritarian. But other than those 3 major components of being Adolf Hitler he is just like him...
Name me another time under these circumstances......or anything close. That broad statement is BS.

As was said, Hitler didn't turn Germany overnight. The people were already impressionable because of Versailles. He just kept repeating the same things, all the while installing loyalists in the government. Took over the courts. Took over the media. Eventually the military. With all his people in place, a month after he was named chancellor he suspended all civil rights under their constitution.
Despite all Trump's efforts, it won't happen here for more reasons than the constitution.

He declared he has ultimate power, he told Sessions to go after HC, he or his AG fires or removes those who investigate him, he values loyalty above all else, everything is a conspiracy against him, he meddles in criminal cases against his allies, calls in the military to put down protests, blames others and takes no responsibility, and would take down any critical media if he could.

Only he is legitimate, only he tells the truth. He wants to make you scared of everything......murderous immigrants and history hating protesters and radical Dems who want to impose socialism and windmills and modern plumbing......and science.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-authoritarian-experts-examine-telltale-signs

The authoritarian wants us to lose our faith in our ears and our eyes, what we read and what we observe, so that we can be more dependent on him.
 
Has he invaded foreign nations? Mass imprisoned/enslaved/killed people? Centralized power and taken control of major industries? No

He isn't racist . . .

He has been anything but authoritarian,

You are looking at him with rose colored glasses. Germany didn't see Hitler as someone who would butcher the Jews either, or enlist the SS to attack anyone he saw as his enemy, but history has a number of lessons showing that's exactly what NUTJOBs do if they get enough power.

(HIS TRAITS) The REAL Trump said:

1.) " I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher,” he told Breitbart. “I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump. I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point and then it would be very bad, very bad.”

2.) "I would bring back waterboarding, and I'd bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding? (Trump has previously expressed his support of torture, vowing during a primary debate to utilize the tactic — and worse.)
3.) “Then, I have an Article II, where I have to the right to do whatever I want as president,”
4.) (Xi Jinping) “He’s now president for life. President for life. No, he’s great,” . . . “And look, he was able to do that. I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll have to give that a shot someday.”
5.) “if I tell generals to do it [war crimes], they will do it”
6.) "women who’ve had abortions should be penalized."
7.) “I give to everybody. when they call, I give. And do you know what? When I need something from them two years later, three years later, I call them, they are there for me.”
8.) "Having a low minimum wage isn’t a bad thing”.
9.) “The election is rigged”; “We should just cancel the election and declare me the winner”;.
10.) " I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot someone and get away with it"

Then, look at characteristics of fascism:
1.) Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos , slogans, symbols, songs and other paraphernalia. (like Make America great again, build a wall, lock em up !) - They have to demonize the opponent
2.) No recognition of human rights (ie torture, muslim bans, databases of their people they view as enemies, etc..)

3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause. (ie Mexicans are rapists, shithole countries, called U.S. Intel. community Nazis, but RUSSIANS were ok, etc..)
4.) A focus on making their militaries more powerful and loyal to them. (He wants to relentlessly keep pouring more money into the military, has started a new branch focused on space, our military is being infiltrated by white supremacists, etc..)
5.) Rampant sexism (Grab em by the p...y!, perhaps I would date my daughter, men are boss / women are made fun of)
6.) Control the media (ie Fake news, I will tell you what the truth is, etc..)
7.) Stress national security issue to rally people to their side (Under attack by Mexicans, Muslims, etc...)
8.) Tend to use religion to manipulate the masses (Christianity is under siege !)
9.) They protect the Corporations and the elites, because it's those groups they need support from, in a quid pro quo fashion. (destroying regulations, reducing their taxes, eliminating estate taxes for the wealthy,...)
10.) Labor power is suppressed ! (keeping organizing down, wages down and taking away their legal options)
11.) Disdain for intellectuals (Fakes, liars, I am the F-ing genius !)
12.) Rampant cronyism and corruption (pardoning criminals, his Russian contacts, etc..
13.) Obsession with punishment (People having abortion should be punished, lock em up, wants shackles taken off the police force)
14.) AND . . Tyrants have FRAUDULENT elections ! !

NO, . . . He is SICK, . . . . very, very, very SICK ! That's a MAJOR danger to the country, when he is this close to Putin, places cronies into key positions and wants generals to be LOYAL only to HIM.

I think some posters are NOT good students of history. The signs are ALL there and in a 2nd term there is nothing to constrain him, other than military generals who would be willing to risk their careers to oppose him - He has already proven he is willing to break laws, blackmail people, change judges and laws to match his view of the world & wants to have a longer TERM like Xi Jinping and Putin with generals that are LOYAL to him.


PS Hitler had his racism issues and so does Trump (ie Dark skinned people) He is CLEARLY a white supremacist. Anyone who wasn't, would be absolutely SICKENED by the comments he has already made !
 
You can’t make this up. . .

Because full-time in-person school isn’t safe yet in New York City, Mayor Bill de Blasio will provide child care for 100,000 kids. Indoors. With other children. And adult supervision:

 
Name me another time under these circumstances......or anything close. That broad statement is BS.

As was said, Hitler didn't turn Germany overnight. The people were already impressionable because of Versailles. He just kept repeating the same things, all the while installing loyalists in the government. Took over the courts. Took over the media. Eventually the military. With all his people in place, a month after he was named chancellor he suspended all civil rights under their constitution.
Despite all Trump's efforts, it won't happen here for more reasons than the constitution.

He declared he has ultimate power, he told Sessions to go after HC, he or his AG fires or removes those who investigate him, he values loyalty above all else, everything is a conspiracy against him, he meddles in criminal cases against his allies, calls in the military to put down protests, blames others and takes no responsibility, and would take down any critical media if he could.

Only he is legitimate, only he tells the truth. He wants to make you scared of everything......murderous immigrants and history hating protesters and radical Dems who want to impose socialism and windmills and modern plumbing......and science.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-authoritarian-experts-examine-telltale-signs

The authoritarian wants us to lose our faith in our ears and our eyes, what we read and what we observe, so that we can be more dependent on him.
The idea of Trump being the next Hitler is literally the dumbest idea pushed on these threads so far. HE wants to make you scared of everything? Common man. You think that because your focus is all on him and finding what you can to hate him for. If that statement were true he'd be sowing fear over the virus to grab power. He hasn't done anything of the sorts. The Democrats and the media have. They have everyone living in fear over a virus that is only a little bit worse than the flu. Mostly because we have a vaccine for the flu. The flu is probably worse than Covid considering how few young people die to Covid vs the flu.

His statements on murderous immigrants were correct. He was talking about MS 13.

What would you call the protestors, no rioters who are indiscriminately pulling down statues? At first it was against slave owners and confederate soldiers. Then they started taking down founding fathers and black heroes.

Dems ARE pushing socialism. What the **** do you think Bernie wanted? MOST of the people out there protesting want it too. This is what is going on in your party right now, and this explains your denial of it as well. You're brainwashed by the media, politicians etc to where you can't even recognize what is going on.



Windmills, modern plumbing and science? Right... Science is not a Dem thing. Windmills are a blight on the land and is very bad as a whole. The little good we get from them should not out weight the pile of bad.
 
The idea of Trump being the next Hitler is literally the dumbest idea pushed on these threads so far. HE wants to make you scared of everything? Common man. You think that because your focus is all on him and finding what you can to hate him for. If that statement were true he'd be sowing fear over the virus to grab power. He hasn't done anything of the sorts. The Democrats and the media have. They have everyone living in fear over a virus that is only a little bit worse than the flu. Mostly because we have a vaccine for the flu. The flu is probably worse than Covid considering how few young people die to Covid vs the flu.

His statements on murderous immigrants were correct. He was talking about MS 13.

What would you call the protestors, no rioters who are indiscriminately pulling down statues? At first it was against slave owners and confederate soldiers. Then they started taking down founding fathers and black heroes.

Dems ARE pushing socialism. What the **** do you think Bernie wanted? MOST of the people out there protesting want it too. This is what is going on in your party right now, and this explains your denial of it as well. You're brainwashed by the media, politicians etc to where you can't even recognize what is going on.



Windmills, modern plumbing and science? Right... Science is not a Dem thing. Windmills are a blight on the land and is very bad as a whole. The little good we get from them should not out weight the pile of bad.


How many rails do you do before you decide to log on and post your nonsense ?
 
Name me another time under these circumstances......or anything close. That broad statement is BS.

As was said, Hitler didn't turn Germany overnight. The people were already impressionable because of Versailles. He just kept repeating the same things, all the while installing loyalists in the government. Took over the courts. Took over the media. Eventually the military. With all his people in place, a month after he was named chancellor he suspended all civil rights under their constitution.
Despite all Trump's efforts, it won't happen here for more reasons than the constitution.

He declared he has ultimate power, he told Sessions to go after HC, he or his AG fires or removes those who investigate him, he values loyalty above all else, everything is a conspiracy against him, he meddles in criminal cases against his allies, calls in the military to put down protests, blames others and takes no responsibility, and would take down any critical media if he could.

Only he is legitimate, only he tells the truth. He wants to make you scared of everything......murderous immigrants and history hating protesters and radical Dems who want to impose socialism and windmills and modern plumbing......and science.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-authoritarian-experts-examine-telltale-signs

The authoritarian wants us to lose our faith in our ears and our eyes, what we read and what we observe, so that we can be more dependent on him.

I had a response... Mobile version of this site lost it. Really don't want to go through it all again.

But the same judges appointed by Donald Trump have taken positions contrary to what you would think they would. So how is he taking over the courts?

Presidential pardons are nothing new, Bush2, Obama, Trump all had 20-25 through 1 term.

Minneapolis throughout the peaceful protests suffered half a BILLION $ in damage. But its authoritarian to want to stop that?

Every elected Democrat I have heard undoubtedly supports the BLM organization. The same organization run by self proclaimed "trained Marxists" who want to destroy the nuclear family. But the whole socialism thing is a conspiracy...

And the Left own science by saying their are no differences between men and women. Using computer models to predict climate change that have been wrong for 40 years but are right this time and it's BAD, the only way to fix it is massive amounts of global government spending and regulation, mostly funded by the US. Abortion isn't killing babies.
 
I had a response... Mobile version of this site lost it. Really don't want to go through it all again.

But the same judges appointed by Donald Trump have taken positions contrary to what you would think they would. So how is he taking over the courts?

Presidential pardons are nothing new, Bush2, Obama, Trump all had 20-25 through 1 term.

Minneapolis throughout the peaceful protests suffered half a BILLION $ in damage. But its authoritarian to want to stop that?

Every elected Democrat I have heard undoubtedly supports the BLM organization. The same organization run by self proclaimed "trained Marxists" who want to destroy the nuclear family. But the whole socialism thing is a conspiracy...

And the Left own science by saying their are no differences between men and women. Using computer models to predict climate change that have been wrong for 40 years but are right this time and it's BAD, the only way to fix it is massive amounts of global government spending and regulation, mostly funded by the US. Abortion isn't killing babies.
Them saying the Left is the party of science is so incredibly incorrect, it's not funny. It's down right scary.
 
What is nonsense is you decide to attack because you can't refute. Stop being a useful idiot and see what your side of the isle is trying to do. Only one side has Marxists in it, and it isn't the Right.

What’s there to refute? You constantly post propaganda and conspiratorial nonsense.
 
Them saying the Left is the party of science is so incredibly incorrect, it's not funny. It's down right scary.

This is exactly what i mean when i say you post nonsense. It’s just utter nonsense, especially when the republican president is going against what science is telling him. Just stop.
 
This is exactly what i mean when i say you post nonsense. It’s just utter nonsense, especially when the republican president is going against what science is telling him. Just stop.
Refute what is nonsense then. Don't go to ad hominem otherwise you're not going to convince anyone.
 
Refute what is nonsense then. Don't go to ad hominem otherwise you're not going to convince anyone.

You just said the party of the left is anti-science. That’s not on me to prove. You’re pulling stuff out of your ass, laying it here, and then trying to say it’s on me to refute it. It’s not. You’re the one making unsubstantiated claims. Not me.
 
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Posted by @TheCainer on its own thread, but applies to here:

As the school year draws near, children and teens represent a ballooning percentage of Covid-19 cases in the U.S. as the youngest Americans increasingly venture outside their homes and are able to get tested.

While the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has long maintained on its website that those younger than 18 make up only 2% of cases, state data paints a much less rosy picture. California and Mississippi, for instance, are recording rates nearing 10% of overall cases. Florida has found that about a third of all children tested there are infected.

CDC cited a chart, updated today, with data from the states showing children make up 6.4% of those infected, though information isn’t included on almost 1 million cases. The numbers are rising, epidemiologists say, as testing has become more available to those with mild or no symptoms, encompassing many of the pediatric cases, and as those under 18 are increasingly involved in social activities.

At the same time, there is enormous pressure building to reopen in-class schooling from parents who need to return to work, childhood development specialists and the Trump administration, which sees it as a linchpin for the economy in an election year. Others remain skeptical.

“I think we need to understand why that’s happening and what it means for the risk of this virus in kids,” said Jennifer Nuzzo, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health’s Center for Health Security. “Our understanding for how it effects kids is evolving.”

Virus data isn’t reported in a consistent manner across states. But publicly available databases show that in many cases the numbers are vastly different than what the CDC continues to say on the portion of its website meant to provide Covid-19 information to pediatric health-care providers, a site that hasn’t been updated since May 29.

In producing this report, Bloomberg gathered data from state health departments across the U.S. Here’s a breakdown among selected states:

State Hotspots:
  • Arizona: 11% of total cases in those younger than 20.
  • California: 8.4% in those younger than 18.
  • Mississippi: 9.4% in those under 18.
  • Washington state: 11% in those 20 and younger.
  • Tennessee: 4.5% of cases involving those 10 and under, and 11% for those 11 through 20.
Regional authorities are also seeing the surge. Harris County, Texas, where Houston is located, is an epicenter of the recent rise in U.S. cases. There, those younger than 20 made up 11.4% of about 49,000 cases, according to the county’s public health department. Children up to age 9 represented 4.1%.

Studies have found that children tend not to suffer from severe coronavirus symptoms as often as adults, but there remain unknowns. They include the potential long-term effects of a Covid-19 infection, and at what rate students can transmit the virus to each other while in the classroom, as well as the effect on their teachers.

Covid-19 in California Youth
Prevalence of the virus among the state's children and teens has grown

Source: California Department of Public Health

Note: April 22 marks earliest date percentages reported in California

“Just because somebody doesn’t die from this doesn’t mean that something bad doesn’t happen to them,” said Jason Salemi, an epidemiologist at University of South Florida’s College of Public Health. “Think about cancer. A cancer could have a tumor developing over 10 to 20 years, and you don’t know.”

Florida’s schools are slated to reopen in the fall despite the surge of cases there and state reports that 31% of children tested there were positive.

Salemi, who helps run the CovKids Project, which collects data on cases in children and teens, said he supports schools reopening responsibly with robust plans in place to keep children safe, something he doesn’t think Florida is capable of right now.

The project has tracked 769 pediatric intensive-care unit admissions related to the virus across the U.S. since mid-March, and 66 deaths in those younger than 20. Some of the severe cases have resulted in a condition similar to Kawasaki disease, which can cause heart and circulatory problems.

Older Americans
Age data collected from state health departments by Bloomberg shows that the oldest Americans now represent a lower percentage of infections than they did at the start of the outbreak. The surge in recent cases is led by the group most likely to have school-aged children, those in their 20s, 30s and up to their 50s in some states.

At the same time, the prevalence in children has risen as testing has become more available to those with mild or no symptoms.

“Without the testing, we were blind,” said Margaret Aldrich, director of infection control for the Children’s Hospital at Montefiore in the Bronx. Aldrich’s hospital has its own lab so it tests every child admitted and is able to turn around results in about six hours, a much different experience than the long wait times at testing sites around the country.

For many doctors, it isn’t surprising that children have the virus in larger numbers than was believed. But it begs the question, to what extent will they spread it?

Flu Spread
Children are often the primary driver in spreading influenza, and though coronavirus transmission hasn’t appeared to be as strong via children in other countries, not all researchers are reassured with the U.S. unable to bring the virus under control.

The U.S. National Institutes of Health began a study in May looking at 6,000 children to try to determine the rate of coronavirus infection in children. The study is slated to last six months, meaning the results won’t come out until at least November, months after schools are supposed to reopen.

“I’m not sure we’re going to have all the pediatric data understood by Sept. 1, so some hard decisions are going to have to be made,” Montefiore’s Aldrich said.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...nt-with-schools-eyeing-openings?sref=lbQAzuXj
 
The authoritarian wants us to lose our faith in our ears and our eyes, what we read and what we observe, so that we can be more dependent on him.

What the hell do you think he has been doing? ? ?

- Telling everyone HE is the genius ! (When his teachers say he's the dumbest student they ever had !)
- Tells us everything is FAKE news except what he says
- Tells us NOT to trust the media, etc..
- now trying to keep Fauci off TV (so we can't SEE or HEAR the truth)
- Now keeping hospital information from going to the CDC and trying his best to keep it out of the press. (via Rep. Governors)
- Tries to create fear of immigrants, so his followers are more dependent on him.

I think you just made a very compelling case for why you are WRONG, yet again !
 
What the hell do you think he has been doing? ? ?

- Telling everyone HE is the genius ! (When his teachers say he's the dumbest student they ever had !)
- Tells us everything is FAKE news except what he says
- Tells us NOT to trust the media, etc..
- now trying to keep Fauci off TV (so we can't SEE or HEAR the truth)
- Now keeping hospital information from going to the CDC and trying his best to keep it out of the press. (via Rep. Governors)
- Tries to create fear of immigrants, so his followers are more dependent on him.

I think you just made a very compelling case for why you are WRONG, yet again !
My favorite is that world has been taking advantage of the US for decades.
The poor, oppressed United States is the victim. Only trump is tough enough to stand up to them and lead us back to being #1!!!!
 
My favorite is that world has been taking advantage of the US for decades.
The poor, oppressed United States is the victim. Only trump is tough enough to stand up to them and lead us back to being #1!!!!
Bob,

Whether you admit it or not, he has a point.

1) China has raped and pillaged American jobs and IP for years. Are you going to deny this?
2) EU members of NATO like Germany are supposed to put 2% or more of the GDP into their own defense. For years, they have not done this. Germany is barely over 1% right now and still doesn’t have a plan to reach 2%. They would rather spend $ on Muslim refugees and other national social programs than meet their obligations. Are you going to deny this?
3) NAFTA was a bad deal for American workers and industries. As Ross Perot said “a giant sucking sound”. Trump had USMCA written to replace NAFTA. USMCA isn’t perfect but it’s undeniably better than NAFTA for America. Are you going to deny this?
4) For years Mexico, Central and South American countries have seen millions of people leave and cross our southern border illegally. Many of these people get state benefits and never become citizens. They send billions of dollars back to wherever they came from. This is good for America?
 
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Trump had USMCA written to replace NAFTA. USMCA isn’t perfect but it’s undeniably better than NAFTA for America
You know, I haven't read what went in to the NAFTA replacement. Maybe you could tell me what made USMCA better than it's predecessor. I was under the understanding that Pelosi demanded the changes that made it better for the working American
 
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Bob,

Whether you admit it or not, he has a point.

1) China has raped and pillaged American jobs and IP for years. Are you going to deny this?

And who moved the jobs to china? Did china force U.S. companies to do that?
 
Posted by @TheCainer on its own thread, but applies to here:

As the school year draws near, children and teens represent a ballooning percentage of Covid-19 cases in the U.S. as the youngest Americans increasingly venture outside their homes and are able to get tested.

While the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has long maintained on its website that those younger than 18 make up only 2% of cases, state data paints a much less rosy picture. California and Mississippi, for instance, are recording rates nearing 10% of overall cases. Florida has found that about a third of all children tested there are infected.

CDC cited a chart, updated today, with data from the states showing children make up 6.4% of those infected, though information isn’t included on almost 1 million cases. The numbers are rising, epidemiologists say, as testing has become more available to those with mild or no symptoms, encompassing many of the pediatric cases, and as those under 18 are increasingly involved in social activities.

At the same time, there is enormous pressure building to reopen in-class schooling from parents who need to return to work, childhood development specialists and the Trump administration, which sees it as a linchpin for the economy in an election year. Others remain skeptical.

“I think we need to understand why that’s happening and what it means for the risk of this virus in kids,” said Jennifer Nuzzo, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health’s Center for Health Security. “Our understanding for how it effects kids is evolving.”

Virus data isn’t reported in a consistent manner across states. But publicly available databases show that in many cases the numbers are vastly different than what the CDC continues to say on the portion of its website meant to provide Covid-19 information to pediatric health-care providers, a site that hasn’t been updated since May 29.

In producing this report, Bloomberg gathered data from state health departments across the U.S. Here’s a breakdown among selected states:

State Hotspots:
  • Arizona: 11% of total cases in those younger than 20.
  • California: 8.4% in those younger than 18.
  • Mississippi: 9.4% in those under 18.
  • Washington state: 11% in those 20 and younger.
  • Tennessee: 4.5% of cases involving those 10 and under, and 11% for those 11 through 20.
Regional authorities are also seeing the surge. Harris County, Texas, where Houston is located, is an epicenter of the recent rise in U.S. cases. There, those younger than 20 made up 11.4% of about 49,000 cases, according to the county’s public health department. Children up to age 9 represented 4.1%.

Studies have found that children tend not to suffer from severe coronavirus symptoms as often as adults, but there remain unknowns. They include the potential long-term effects of a Covid-19 infection, and at what rate students can transmit the virus to each other while in the classroom, as well as the effect on their teachers.

Covid-19 in California Youth
Prevalence of the virus among the state's children and teens has grown

Source: California Department of Public Health

Note: April 22 marks earliest date percentages reported in California

“Just because somebody doesn’t die from this doesn’t mean that something bad doesn’t happen to them,” said Jason Salemi, an epidemiologist at University of South Florida’s College of Public Health. “Think about cancer. A cancer could have a tumor developing over 10 to 20 years, and you don’t know.”

Florida’s schools are slated to reopen in the fall despite the surge of cases there and state reports that 31% of children tested there were positive.

Salemi, who helps run the CovKids Project, which collects data on cases in children and teens, said he supports schools reopening responsibly with robust plans in place to keep children safe, something he doesn’t think Florida is capable of right now.

The project has tracked 769 pediatric intensive-care unit admissions related to the virus across the U.S. since mid-March, and 66 deaths in those younger than 20. Some of the severe cases have resulted in a condition similar to Kawasaki disease, which can cause heart and circulatory problems.

Older Americans
Age data collected from state health departments by Bloomberg shows that the oldest Americans now represent a lower percentage of infections than they did at the start of the outbreak. The surge in recent cases is led by the group most likely to have school-aged children, those in their 20s, 30s and up to their 50s in some states.

At the same time, the prevalence in children has risen as testing has become more available to those with mild or no symptoms.

“Without the testing, we were blind,” said Margaret Aldrich, director of infection control for the Children’s Hospital at Montefiore in the Bronx. Aldrich’s hospital has its own lab so it tests every child admitted and is able to turn around results in about six hours, a much different experience than the long wait times at testing sites around the country.

For many doctors, it isn’t surprising that children have the virus in larger numbers than was believed. But it begs the question, to what extent will they spread it?

Flu Spread
Children are often the primary driver in spreading influenza, and though coronavirus transmission hasn’t appeared to be as strong via children in other countries, not all researchers are reassured with the U.S. unable to bring the virus under control.

The U.S. National Institutes of Health began a study in May looking at 6,000 children to try to determine the rate of coronavirus infection in children. The study is slated to last six months, meaning the results won’t come out until at least November, months after schools are supposed to reopen.

“I’m not sure we’re going to have all the pediatric data understood by Sept. 1, so some hard decisions are going to have to be made,” Montefiore’s Aldrich said.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...nt-with-schools-eyeing-openings?sref=lbQAzuXj
Just have a listen to what this doctor has to say about opening schools up in relation to what the science and data says.



It backs up what Trump and his team are trying to do. The rest of the world have opened their schools up and they are not having a problem.
 
You know, I haven't read what went in to the NAFTA replacement. Maybe you could tell me what made USMCA better than it's predecessor. I was under the understanding that Pelosi demanded the changes that made it better for the working American
OK, since you asked.

After reaching a deal on the final version of the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, President Donald Trump tweeted that it "will be the best and most important trade deal ever made by the USA" -- and called its predecessor, the North American Free Trade Agreement, "our Country's worst Trade Deal."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi echoed that view, saying in her announcement that "there is no question of course that this trade agreement is much better than NAFTA."

Here are six key differences between the two agreements:

Auto manufacturing boost
The USMCA requires 75% of a vehicle's parts to be made in one of the three countries -- up from the current 62.5% rule -- in order to remain free from tariffs when moving between the three signatory countries.
It also requires more vehicle parts to be made by workers earning at least $16 an hour, which may provide a boost to manufacturing in the United States, where wages are higher than in Mexico.
The International Trade Commission report found that these changes would add 28,000 jobs in the industry over six years, while also leading to a small increase in the price of vehicles that consumers pay.
But the American Automotive Policy Council, which represents General Motors, Ford and Fiat-Chrysler, argued the ITC report underestimated the long-term investments US automakers will make because of the USMCA.
A Trump administration report was more positive, projecting that the deal would create 76,000 auto jobs over five years. That would mean a more than 7% increase in employment over the current 990,000 US auto workers.
On Tuesday, the trade group said the big three automakers were "pleased" that the USMCA was moving forward.
"The USMCA allows the US auto industry to remain globally competitive by ensuring vehicles and auto parts are able to move freely across country lines," said Matt Blunt, president of the American Automotive Policy Council, in a statement
But auto plants are capital intensive and it takes a long time to move production. Industry analysts have said that some automakers may opt to pay the tariff at least at first, rather than move plants or shift hiring.
A GM spokesperson said Tuesday that the company had already made numerous changes in anticipation of the more stringent standards set by the USMCA, including shifting production plans of a new Chevrolet electric vehicle back to the United States, and building a new GM/LG battery plant near Lordstown, Ohio.

Labor laws strengthened

Manufacturing workers have long blamed NAFTA for sending jobs to Mexico, where wages are lower, and it was a priority for Democrats that the USMCA strengthen the enforcement of labor rules, creating a more level playing field for American workers.
Lawmakers were able to include some changes to enforcement language before coming to an agreement Tuesday with the Trump administration, and the deal now has the backing of the AFL-CIO, the largest federation of unions in the US.
"For the first time, there truly will be enforceable labor standards -- including a process that allows for the inspections of factories and facilities that are not living up to their obligations," said AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka in a statement.
The deal allows for "rapid response" panels to review whether specific facilities are violating workers' rights and to levy duties or penalties on products made at those facilities.

Dairy farmers get more market access

The original NAFTA eliminated tariffs on most agricultural products traded among the three countries. Canada and Mexico are already the two biggest export markets for US farmers and ranchers.
The USMCA will keep those tariffs at zero, while further opening up the Canadian market to US dairy, poultry and eggs. In return, the United States will allow more Canadian dairy, peanuts and peanut products, as well as a limited amount of sugar, to cross the border.

Updating NAFTA for the digital era

The USMCA includes sweeping new benefits for the technology sector, in a chapter on digital trade that wasn't a part of the original NAFTA. The new provisions aren't expected to directly create new jobs, but could provide a boost to US businesses in other ways.
For example, the new trade deal prohibits Canada and Mexico from forcing US companies to store their data on in-country servers. It also ensures that US companies cannot be sued in Canada and Mexico for much of the content appearing on their platforms.

Environmental protections

The agreement provides $600 million to address environmental problems in the region -- like sewage spillovers from Tijuana that impact San Diego -- and makes regulations easier to enforce by doing away with a requirement to prove a violation affects trade.

Congress keeps control over biologic drugs
Democrats negotiated the removal of what would have been new, controversial protections for biologic drugs. They argue it would have hamstrung Congress from being able to legislate on drug pricing issues.
The provision that was removed from the trade deal would have required the three countries to provide at least 10 years of exclusivity for biologics, which are complex and costly to make. Currently, the US provides 12 years of exclusivity, while Canada provides eight years and Mexico five years.
Republicans have long supported including exclusivity provisions for pharmaceutical companies in trade deals, and the pharmaceutical industry quickly came out against the provision's removal.
"Eliminating the biologics provision in the USMCA removes vital protections for innovators while doing nothing to help US patients afford their medicines or access future treatments and cures," said Stephen Ubl, CEO of PhRMA, a trade group. "The only winners today are foreign governments who want to steal American intellectual property and free ride on America's global leadership in biopharmaceutical research and development."
 
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You are looking at him with rose colored glasses. Germany didn't see Hitler as someone who would butcher the Jews either, or enlist the SS to attack anyone he saw as his enemy, but history has a number of lessons showing that's exactly what NUTJOBs do if they get enough power.

(HIS TRAITS) The REAL Trump said:

1.) " I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher,” he told Breitbart. “I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump. I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point and then it would be very bad, very bad.”

2.) "I would bring back waterboarding, and I'd bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding? (Trump has previously expressed his support of torture, vowing during a primary debate to utilize the tactic — and worse.)
3.) “Then, I have an Article II, where I have to the right to do whatever I want as president,”
4.) (Xi Jinping) “He’s now president for life. President for life. No, he’s great,” . . . “And look, he was able to do that. I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll have to give that a shot someday.”
5.) “if I tell generals to do it [war crimes], they will do it”
6.) "women who’ve had abortions should be penalized."
7.) “I give to everybody. when they call, I give. And do you know what? When I need something from them two years later, three years later, I call them, they are there for me.”
8.) "Having a low minimum wage isn’t a bad thing”.
9.) “The election is rigged”; “We should just cancel the election and declare me the winner”;.
10.) " I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot someone and get away with it"

Then, look at characteristics of fascism:
1.) Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos , slogans, symbols, songs and other paraphernalia. (like Make America great again, build a wall, lock em up !) - They have to demonize the opponent
2.) No recognition of human rights (ie torture, muslim bans, databases of their people they view as enemies, etc..)

3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause. (ie Mexicans are rapists, shithole countries, called U.S. Intel. community Nazis, but RUSSIANS were ok, etc..)
4.) A focus on making their militaries more powerful and loyal to them. (He wants to relentlessly keep pouring more money into the military, has started a new branch focused on space, our military is being infiltrated by white supremacists, etc..)
5.) Rampant sexism (Grab em by the p...y!, perhaps I would date my daughter, men are boss / women are made fun of)
6.) Control the media (ie Fake news, I will tell you what the truth is, etc..)
7.) Stress national security issue to rally people to their side (Under attack by Mexicans, Muslims, etc...)
8.) Tend to use religion to manipulate the masses (Christianity is under siege !)
9.) They protect the Corporations and the elites, because it's those groups they need support from, in a quid pro quo fashion. (destroying regulations, reducing their taxes, eliminating estate taxes for the wealthy,...)
10.) Labor power is suppressed ! (keeping organizing down, wages down and taking away their legal options)
11.) Disdain for intellectuals (Fakes, liars, I am the F-ing genius !)
12.) Rampant cronyism and corruption (pardoning criminals, his Russian contacts, etc..
13.) Obsession with punishment (People having abortion should be punished, lock em up, wants shackles taken off the police force)
14.) AND . . Tyrants have FRAUDULENT elections ! !

NO, . . . He is SICK, . . . . very, very, very SICK ! That's a MAJOR danger to the country, when he is this close to Putin, places cronies into key positions and wants generals to be LOYAL only to HIM.

I think some posters are NOT good students of history. The signs are ALL there and in a 2nd term there is nothing to constrain him, other than military generals who would be willing to risk their careers to oppose him - He has already proven he is willing to break laws, blackmail people, change judges and laws to match his view of the world & wants to have a longer TERM like Xi Jinping and Putin with generals that are LOYAL to him.


PS Hitler had his racism issues and so does Trump (ie Dark skinned people) He is CLEARLY a white supremacist. Anyone who wasn't, would be absolutely SICKENED by the comments he has already made !

What did Hitler control that enabled him to control the German people.
The press and the SS.
What political party controls the MSM narrative?
What President used the DOJ to illegally infiltrate his political opponents campaign?
Tell me again where the Hitler comparisons lie.
 
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You know, I haven't read what went in to the NAFTA replacement. Maybe you could tell me what made USMCA better than it's predecessor. I was under the understanding that Pelosi demanded the changes that made it better for the working American
OK, since you asked.

After reaching a deal on the final version of the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, President Donald Trump tweeted that it "will be the best and most important trade deal ever made by the USA" -- and called its predecessor, the North American Free Trade Agreement, "our Country's worst Trade Deal."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi echoed that view, saying in her announcement that "there is no question of course that this trade agreement is much better than NAFTA."

Here are six key differences between the two agreements:

Auto manufacturing boost
The USMCA requires 75% of a vehicle's parts to be made in one of the three countries -- up from the current 62.5% rule -- in order to remain free from tariffs when moving between the three signatory countries.
It also requires more vehicle parts to be made by workers earning at least $16 an hour, which may provide a boost to manufacturing in the United States, where wages are higher than in Mexico.
The International Trade Commission report found that these changes would add 28,000 jobs in the industry over six years, while also leading to a small increase in the price of vehicles that consumers pay.
But the American Automotive Policy Council, which represents General Motors, Ford and Fiat-Chrysler, argued the ITC report underestimated the long-term investments US automakers will make because of the USMCA.
A Trump administration report was more positive, projecting that the deal would create 76,000 auto jobs over five years. That would mean a more than 7% increase in employment over the current 990,000 US auto workers.
On Tuesday, the trade group said the big three automakers were "pleased" that the USMCA was moving forward.
"The USMCA allows the US auto industry to remain globally competitive by ensuring vehicles and auto parts are able to move freely across country lines," said Matt Blunt, president of the American Automotive Policy Council, in a statement
But auto plants are capital intensive and it takes a long time to move production. Industry analysts have said that some automakers may opt to pay the tariff at least at first, rather than move plants or shift hiring.
A GM spokesperson said Tuesday that the company had already made numerous changes in anticipation of the more stringent standards set by the USMCA, including shifting production plans of a new Chevrolet electric vehicle back to the United States, and building a new GM/LG battery plant near Lordstown, Ohio.

Labor laws strengthened

Manufacturing workers have long blamed NAFTA for sending jobs to Mexico, where wages are lower, and it was a priority for Democrats that the USMCA strengthen the enforcement of labor rules, creating a more level playing field for American workers.
Lawmakers were able to include some changes to enforcement language before coming to an agreement Tuesday with the Trump administration, and the deal now has the backing of the AFL-CIO, the largest federation of unions in the US.
"For the first time, there truly will be enforceable labor standards -- including a process that allows for the inspections of factories and facilities that are not living up to their obligations," said AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka in a statement.
The deal allows for "rapid response" panels to review whether specific facilities are violating workers' rights and to levy duties or penalties on products made at those facilities.

Dairy farmers get more market access

The original NAFTA eliminated tariffs on most agricultural products traded among the three countries. Canada and Mexico are already the two biggest export markets for US farmers and ranchers.
The USMCA will keep those tariffs at zero, while further opening up the Canadian market to US dairy, poultry and eggs. In return, the United States will allow more Canadian dairy, peanuts and peanut products, as well as a limited amount of sugar, to cross the border.

Updating NAFTA for the digital era

The USMCA includes sweeping new benefits for the technology sector, in a chapter on digital trade that wasn't a part of the original NAFTA. The new provisions aren't expected to directly create new jobs, but could provide a boost to US businesses in other ways.
For example, the new trade deal prohibits Canada and Mexico from forcing US companies to store their data on in-country servers. It also ensures that US companies cannot be sued in Canada and Mexico for much of the content appearing on their platforms.

Environmental protections

The agreement provides $600 million to address environmental problems in the region -- like sewage spillovers from Tijuana that impact San Diego -- and makes regulations easier to enforce by doing away with a requirement to prove a violation affects trade.

Congress keeps control over biologic drugs
Democrats negotiated the removal of what would have been new, controversial protections for biologic drugs. They argue it would have hamstrung Congress from being able to legislate on drug pricing issues.
The provision that was removed from the trade deal would have required the three countries to provide at least 10 years of exclusivity for biologics, which are complex and costly to make. Currently, the US provides 12 years of exclusivity, while Canada provides eight years and Mexico five years.
Republicans have long supported including exclusivity provisions for pharmaceutical companies in trade deals, and the pharmaceutical industry quickly came out against the provision's removal.
"Eliminating the biologics provision in the USMCA removes vital protections for innovators while doing nothing to help US patients afford their medicines or access future treatments and cures," said Stephen Ubl, CEO of PhRMA, a trade group. "The only winners today are foreign governments who want to steal American intellectual property and free ride on America's global leadership in biopharmaceutical research and development."

yup, nafta2 continues as a top-down government managed economy
 
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OK, since you asked.

After reaching a deal on the final version of the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, President Donald Trump tweeted that it "will be the best and most important trade deal ever made by the USA" -- and called its predecessor, the North American Free Trade Agreement, "our Country's worst Trade Deal."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi echoed that view, saying in her announcement that "there is no question of course that this trade agreement is much better than NAFTA."

Here are six key differences between the two agreements:

Auto manufacturing boost
The USMCA requires 75% of a vehicle's parts to be made in one of the three countries -- up from the current 62.5% rule -- in order to remain free from tariffs when moving between the three signatory countries.
It also requires more vehicle parts to be made by workers earning at least $16 an hour, which may provide a boost to manufacturing in the United States, where wages are higher than in Mexico.
The International Trade Commission report found that these changes would add 28,000 jobs in the industry over six years, while also leading to a small increase in the price of vehicles that consumers pay.
But the American Automotive Policy Council, which represents General Motors, Ford and Fiat-Chrysler, argued the ITC report underestimated the long-term investments US automakers will make because of the USMCA.
A Trump administration report was more positive, projecting that the deal would create 76,000 auto jobs over five years. That would mean a more than 7% increase in employment over the current 990,000 US auto workers.
On Tuesday, the trade group said the big three automakers were "pleased" that the USMCA was moving forward.
"The USMCA allows the US auto industry to remain globally competitive by ensuring vehicles and auto parts are able to move freely across country lines," said Matt Blunt, president of the American Automotive Policy Council, in a statement
But auto plants are capital intensive and it takes a long time to move production. Industry analysts have said that some automakers may opt to pay the tariff at least at first, rather than move plants or shift hiring.
A GM spokesperson said Tuesday that the company had already made numerous changes in anticipation of the more stringent standards set by the USMCA, including shifting production plans of a new Chevrolet electric vehicle back to the United States, and building a new GM/LG battery plant near Lordstown, Ohio.

Labor laws strengthened

Manufacturing workers have long blamed NAFTA for sending jobs to Mexico, where wages are lower, and it was a priority for Democrats that the USMCA strengthen the enforcement of labor rules, creating a more level playing field for American workers.
Lawmakers were able to include some changes to enforcement language before coming to an agreement Tuesday with the Trump administration, and the deal now has the backing of the AFL-CIO, the largest federation of unions in the US.
"For the first time, there truly will be enforceable labor standards -- including a process that allows for the inspections of factories and facilities that are not living up to their obligations," said AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka in a statement.
The deal allows for "rapid response" panels to review whether specific facilities are violating workers' rights and to levy duties or penalties on products made at those facilities.

Dairy farmers get more market access

The original NAFTA eliminated tariffs on most agricultural products traded among the three countries. Canada and Mexico are already the two biggest export markets for US farmers and ranchers.
The USMCA will keep those tariffs at zero, while further opening up the Canadian market to US dairy, poultry and eggs. In return, the United States will allow more Canadian dairy, peanuts and peanut products, as well as a limited amount of sugar, to cross the border.

Updating NAFTA for the digital era

The USMCA includes sweeping new benefits for the technology sector, in a chapter on digital trade that wasn't a part of the original NAFTA. The new provisions aren't expected to directly create new jobs, but could provide a boost to US businesses in other ways.
For example, the new trade deal prohibits Canada and Mexico from forcing US companies to store their data on in-country servers. It also ensures that US companies cannot be sued in Canada and Mexico for much of the content appearing on their platforms.

Environmental protections

The agreement provides $600 million to address environmental problems in the region -- like sewage spillovers from Tijuana that impact San Diego -- and makes regulations easier to enforce by doing away with a requirement to prove a violation affects trade.

Congress keeps control over biologic drugs
Democrats negotiated the removal of what would have been new, controversial protections for biologic drugs. They argue it would have hamstrung Congress from being able to legislate on drug pricing issues.
The provision that was removed from the trade deal would have required the three countries to provide at least 10 years of exclusivity for biologics, which are complex and costly to make. Currently, the US provides 12 years of exclusivity, while Canada provides eight years and Mexico five years.
Republicans have long supported including exclusivity provisions for pharmaceutical companies in trade deals, and the pharmaceutical industry quickly came out against the provision's removal.
"Eliminating the biologics provision in the USMCA removes vital protections for innovators while doing nothing to help US patients afford their medicines or access future treatments and cures," said Stephen Ubl, CEO of PhRMA, a trade group. "The only winners today are foreign governments who want to steal American intellectual property and free ride on America's global leadership in biopharmaceutical research and development."
"The best and most important trade deal ever made by the USA."

The original was "The country's worst deal."

But the second one simply made changes to the first. Ok.

Don't forget folks this NAFTA is listed among the greatest achievements of the Trump admin.
 
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