Offered Sterling Manley today
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Not an impressive offer list certainly, and the fact that Purdue offered at this point certainly could be cause for concern potentially.
Nebraska, Pitt, WVU, and Xavier: certainly not IU, MSU, and OSU, but I would say it's not an awful list.
You left off Buffalo, Kent St., Miami (OH), N. Kentucky, Ohio, and Tennessee St.
Xavier is solid certainly, but nobody else on that list is anyone worth getting worked up over other than perhaps WVU...and the six that I listed would indeed be deemed an awful list.
Bigger concern is that an offer just went out...long after offers, and many of them, had been made to guys in the '17 class that Purdue had been recruiting for quite some time.
Trust in Painter !
This is what average coaches have to do when their weak recruiting skills once again fail their program.
They are forced to go further and further down their lists .
CMP must be on plan D or E by now.
Trust in Painter ! That is to be an average performer and not excell.
Seems to me that the quality of an offer list should be judged by the top end schools, not the bottom end. It's not this guys fault if he pulls a lot of offers from crappy programs.
This is all going according to CMP SOP. After getting wind that he'll be 0'fer on Plan A, he's shifting to the ship-has-already-sailed-Plan-B-guys. Unfortunately, the ship has already sailed, and he'll be shifting to Plan C (comfort zone) soon. Plan D (panic zone) will inevitably follow with 5th year seniors, guys without Rivals profiles and magnanimously providing walk-ons scholarships.
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If you're trying to say that an offer list isn't a good indication of talent, I don't think you could be any more wrong.
And to your dismay, will still probably have a top ranked team. Some of you and your hyperbole are just getting ridiculous.
Exactly right. If we focus on just the bottom end as the indicator, then every 5 star that gets offered by one of those lower end schools must suck since they are on a player's list.
Pretty content with the notion that Manley is not a 5 star...I could not even find a ranking for him, which I am only guessing means that he was not so good and superior to everyone that he was not able to be ranked.
Even if focusing on the top end...it is not a stellar list, never mind for a guy being offered this late in the process with so many offers already out to guys that are absolutely known to be better, and much better at that.
Jaren Jackson was offered by IUPUI. Biggie was offered by Chicago State.
They stink.
They stink.
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For every example you can come up with, I've got 10 that prove my point.
Are people just being argumentative, or do they sincerely believe an offer list is irrelevant?
I could be wrong, but I think the point is you can't look at the "bottom" of the offer list. You have to look at the "top" or good teams that have offered. Every recruit has MAC or some other smaller schools that offer them. In this case Pitt, WVU and Xavier are pretty solid teams. I don't think anyone is saying this kid is JJJ, but he does have some decent offers.
I get your point about this looking like a plan C or D. I'm concerned about the lack of signings too.
No, some people refuse to accept the reality of the situation.
It appears that CMP is increasingly likely to strike out on his primary and secondary targets .
He seems to be scrambling to find even okay players who are interested in playing for him.
The 5th year transfer market is becoming his standard operating procedure.
Painter is an average to slightly above average coach who generally can not keep up with the big boys when it comes to recruiting or coaching.
Unfortunately those qualities are ever so acceptable at Purdue and therefore we'll likely never see him get beyond the rare Sweet Sixteen appearance separated by years of one and outs and no post season play.
I expect we're looking at 20 more seasons of his very average performance.
Painter is a not a bad coach , he's just not a really good coach.
Wish it were not true to the positive side of the ledger.
All 4 of those programs have beaten us for recruits in the last couple years.
But I do share your big-picture concern. We need to get at least a couple top 75ish kids in this class. Painter hasn't done well without a handful of them on his teams.
I rather him keep the scholarships for 2018 . From what you guys say there will be three people leaving Purdue's team this year with maybe a fourth all to the NBA. So with the 2018 recruits painter wouldn't be lying when he tells them there's a lot of playing time.
We quite possibly have 3 NBA players on our roster and may have the upcoming B1G freshman of the year. People that act like Painter is a horrible recruiter are being blind to reality. I understand he is no Calipari but he is above average.
I think a lot of us thought 2017 could have been a special class, and now it looks like it won't be. Not saying Painter is a horrible recruiter.
The point is you know nothing about this kid. Sure Cardinal is an outlier. But had we just offered him, some Leone would be all pissed off about it.
and in the big ten in the last decade,
has developed the most 4 year players drafted in the nba (5).
and the incoming recruit rankings through the previous four years have actually matched or beaten teams like msu, villanova, virginia, xavier.
Purdue is by and large a four year program. I am not overly interested in what a player can do as a freshman. Very few of our freshman have been true difference makers. I want to know what the player can do his second and especially third and fourth years. Painter needs each of is recruiting classes to have on player that has some NBA potential. If he can do that, I consider it a decent class. We are not Kentucky or Duke. We have to be like Butler and "build" teams over time. Painter has done that the past few years. I do wish he could figure out how to break a press, not blow big leads and get past the first round of the NCAA tournament.
We could still possibly sign Jackson, Eastern, and Tillman. That would probably give us a top 5 class nationwide. Let's just let this play out before we declare 2017 a failure. It's still 2 months until signing day.
I agree, but you have to agree, that all these plan B offers, combined with the half dozen or so plan A misses, doesn't make that look real likely. We're probably going to be lucky to get one of them, if we're being honest.
I'm with you, these late offers do make me a little nervous (not jumping off the bridge but nervous).
Which offers do you think are Plan B offers? Every single kid we've offered has had other high major offers. I think CMP is offering people he genuinely wants. If we completely strike out in the fall, then we will see real Plan B offers in the spring, but nothing indicates that we are there right now.
The only real miss that bothers me is Kyle Young. Izzo and other great coaches missed on Malik Williams and Pitino is hard to beat. The majority of our offers have yet to commit anywhere.
I would say anyone Painter didn't offer during their junior year, i.e. brown, sterling, maybe battey. There's a reason he offered them a year or so later than the others.
Because we've had two "real" legit targets go somewhere else.
Why don't we let our three main current targets commit (JJJ, Eastern, Tillman). If we get them, Epperson or Battey, you still going to say he can't recruit and it's a bad class?
Heck no, I would be love to come on here and eat crow if that happens!
That would be an awesome class, but it feels like counting on an inside straight at this point.
Wow.......we're not aspiring to be like Butler? Are you F'ing kidding me? I realize that Butler has gone to more FF's than PU in....forever, but wow....aspiring to be Butler from a high-major Power 5 program... Sad.
That's not what he's saying. I hope you're just sensationalizing.
We aren't a destination program at this point. All of us, including Painter ,would like Purdue to become one. We will need some deep runs in the dance to become one imo. At this point, the best way to do that is to keep getting the four year players and getting the under the radar guys like Carsen. Matt will still keep targeting some studs and hopefully we can get some more but we can't count on getting those guys. To me, it's like the chicken and the egg. I understand you want a dynamic coach that can get 5 stars to come to program that hasn't had great success in the tournament but that doesn't happen every day.
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