"More to college than football" (not when you're going to college to play football and your coach makes $4M/year).
Offensive lineman commit
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As I look at the o line, I see 5 positions. That's the most positions of any part of a football team on offense and defense. I would hope it should also have the most recruits. I am saddened when I see other positions with more recruits.
I also recall the hope/Hazell fiasco when Hazell took over for Hope and finished Hope's recruiting class. Hazell added about 10 players to that class to make it about 25 players- a good size. However, with all the players in that class, there was only 1 offensive lineman which spelled doom for the future. A good class should always have at least 3 lineman, and hopefully 4.
This athlete's name was mentioned in a previous post about potential unsigned recruits. No, he's not a 4/5 star lineman. But he's a very high 3 star and one of the best still available. I'd say he's up there with Boatright. He has good size, and hopefully he'll contribute sooner than our develop our players for 3 years approach. I'd really love to see some linemen starting as sophomores.
I also recall the hope/Hazell fiasco when Hazell took over for Hope and finished Hope's recruiting class. Hazell added about 10 players to that class to make it about 25 players- a good size. However, with all the players in that class, there was only 1 offensive lineman which spelled doom for the future. A good class should always have at least 3 lineman, and hopefully 4.
This athlete's name was mentioned in a previous post about potential unsigned recruits. No, he's not a 4/5 star lineman. But he's a very high 3 star and one of the best still available. I'd say he's up there with Boatright. He has good size, and hopefully he'll contribute sooner than our develop our players for 3 years approach. I'd really love to see some linemen starting as sophomores.
Ivy League Schools always think they have a shot with recruits who do well in the classroom because of their academic pedigree and the doors that an Ivy League degree can open professionally. They offer a lot more kids than you see listed on the scouting boards.
Amazing an entire thread nit picking this recruit because of his star or offer list. I'm sorry but you guys are crazy. I'll take the coaches opinion and evaluation over anything here.
In 1 year Brohm has us conditioned to expect a 4 star rating from every recruit. Not sure if that's a bad thing or a good thing.
I think we can agree this kid wants to be a boilermaker and he is above what we have gotten for some time in oline recruiting.
In 1 year Brohm has us conditioned to expect a 4 star rating from every recruit. Not sure if that's a bad thing or a good thing.
I think we can agree this kid wants to be a boilermaker and he is above what we have gotten for some time in oline recruiting.
It’s not you guys, it’s Bonefish. Everybody else, myself include, is ecstatic to get him.
Also, it's important to recruit work ethic and character. The star ratings don't factor any of that in. Most schools would take a big, athletic, high character, hard working 3 star OL over a 4 star who takes plays off, doesn't work hard, gets into mischief, is selfish and struggles academically. We can't see any of that other than what is posted through social media, unless we know the kids personally. I have faith in this staff to make the assessment of the intangibles and weight that against the measurables that the scouting boards post.
OL is also the most likely position to have 5 year players and one that subs in the least during games. DL usually has a rotation once the depth is built up but OL usually play the whole game unless there is an injury or someone is laying an egg. So, while there are more OL positions on the field it doesn't mean that there are more OL who are likely to play in any given game. The DL front 4 will usually prefer to play 7 or 8 players in a rotation if they can. The OL usually only plays 5 or 6.
That's what you do on an online forum: You nit pick. I didn't sit in the coaches meeting when they decided this kid was worth offering. Of course they see something in him. But, what do they see that few other B10 programs saw? I hope we're not back to the "needle in the rough" recruiting philosophy (which we're not).
The kid is a good recruit. We should all celebrate his commitment. 3 Star OL are solid additions at ANY level. Their impact to the program usually depends more on how the program develops them than at any other position except maybe QB. It's very rare to find an OL who is game ready for a Power 5 conference coming out of high school. That includes most 4 stars BTW. It's far more physical and tremendously more cerebral at the college level.
Offers:
Purdue
Kentucky
Rutgers
Temple
Pitt
Minnesota
Cinncy
Also, interest from MSU, ND, PSU, and OSU. Likely that interest was because he was a Plan B type of player.
Those are quality offers and of those 6 other offers, every one of them outside of Rutgers has had more success over the last 10 years than Purdue has. He's largely considered a project type of player who will likely slide in to the inside as a guard or possibly right tackle at college.
I am not making a false statement, I said MORE commitments that are better than ours. There are 7 teams (yes, that is half the Big 10) that do not have 4 OL commitments that are all better than ours. That is what I said and it is true. MN and RUT may have at least one commitment that is better than ours, but that is not what I said. I would rather have 4 very solid OL recruits than 2 very good recruits as you really need 8-10 solid players on your roster. We don't need 4 star OL to be successful.
In years past, I would say beating UK for a recruit was not a big deal, but they are putting together a nice class. Unfortunately, I think they are going to beat us for Weaver.
Currently on Rivals for the Class of 2019:
OGs: 1 5*, 14 4*s
OTs: 4 5*s. 31 4*s (one of which we're recruiting)
Cs: 1 5*, 1 4*
3-star lineman ain't so bad. I'm thrilled.
OGs: 1 5*, 14 4*s
OTs: 4 5*s. 31 4*s (one of which we're recruiting)
Cs: 1 5*, 1 4*
3-star lineman ain't so bad. I'm thrilled.
Unless you are a school like Bama or OSU, having 3-4 players a year drafted in the NFL and 2 per year make a career out of it is a reasonable assumption. I really hope these high school prospects are thinking of life after football if they have a 2 in 25 chance of making it their career and I would suspect Kyle is one of them given his offers from Ivy League schools.
Interestingly, we now have commitments from 4 of the top 35 in Ohio, including 2 in the top 10. That's impressive. Ohio State actually only has 3 in the top 35, although I'm sure they're on the remaining uncommitteds.
I will say I like this recruit. He was one of the 5 best available left and I wanted to add one more lineman to this class. As I said he was one of the 5 best uncommitted lineman and he chose us.
Yes I would have liked to add Boatright and/or Britt. And I'd be ecstatic if we signed a 4/5 star lineman.
But as linemen go, he's one of the best and a lot better than our previous linemen recruits!
Yes I would have liked to add Boatright and/or Britt. And I'd be ecstatic if we signed a 4/5 star lineman.
But as linemen go, he's one of the best and a lot better than our previous linemen recruits!
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Three star lineman vary from a 5.5 to 5.7 rating, Cam Craig is a 5.5 and Jornigan is 5.6. The other two are rated as 2 stars.
Oline ratings can be heavily influenced by game readiness, or current physical dimensions. It seems like Brohm is recruiting athletic Olineman over maulers. Hence most are well under 300 lbs and need 1-2 years of development, which probably lowers their rating. I believe a lot of our Oline recruits in ‘18 and ‘19 classes also play basketball, which should help with coordination/footwork once they get up to weight. But they likely will be better in space for zone blocking schemes (ie Purdue) than in power schemes (ie Wisky).
You can see some similarities in the NFL draft. It seems like the smaller zone blocking guys fall, while the bigger power guys get drafted in first few rounds. As long as Brohm has a plan for how to use his players, we should trust they will contribute and be P5 quality. The problem with Hazell was regardless of who he recruited, he had no (successful) plan on how to use them in his scheme.
Also, Brohm has already shown some ability in finding/developing diamonds in the rough. Derrik Barnes and Kenneth Major are two of our best players on D, and they were lightly recruited. Thieneman was a no-name walkon under Hazell, then Holt turns him into our best safety. These coaches don’t care about ratings, they look for physical characteristics for each position, and optimize those attributes in their scheme.
You can see some similarities in the NFL draft. It seems like the smaller zone blocking guys fall, while the bigger power guys get drafted in first few rounds. As long as Brohm has a plan for how to use his players, we should trust they will contribute and be P5 quality. The problem with Hazell was regardless of who he recruited, he had no (successful) plan on how to use them in his scheme.
Also, Brohm has already shown some ability in finding/developing diamonds in the rough. Derrik Barnes and Kenneth Major are two of our best players on D, and they were lightly recruited. Thieneman was a no-name walkon under Hazell, then Holt turns him into our best safety. These coaches don’t care about ratings, they look for physical characteristics for each position, and optimize those attributes in their scheme.
I would agree with everything you say about our coaching staff identifying and developing talent. But just think what they can andwill do given elite talent. Look at Moore. I believe under their guidance KS will becomes monster. That's why I'd really love to see what they could be able to do if given the athletes OSU recruits.
And to get that elite talent you have to be patient with getting there. Outside of what programs do to get elite talent without results (Miss St for example), it takes time and it takes showing results to get that. Stoops at UK has taken time because he has had to get his results to back up what he was selling. My guess is that UK's recruiting will continue to get better unless Stoops bolts for a bigger job (which wouldn't surprise me since a few will likely come calling soon).
My point is, our football and basketball players come to school to play a sport. Yes, we give lip service to education and life after and yes, we hope our athletes are successful in life after school, but the reality is, we (ok, 90% of us) will trade athletic success for academic success when it comes to our teams. There's a reason the highest paid employees at every B10 school are the football and basketball coach.
He has already confirmed he is not enrolling early since his high school does not allow it.
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